Mental illness

Skywaters

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I have come to this thread because I have been diagnosed with bipolar since I have been 21... I go back and forth because I have years where I am not on meds then I change my meds then my anxiety takes over me. After I had my daughter I was in a complete state of confusion for about 2 years. I have lots of times where I am very depressed and withdrawn but yet still a social butterfly. I was born when all major planets were retro. I am open if anyone would like to ask me questions. Astrology is new to me. But my mother has been doing this my whole life but we have not shared it together yet.
 

Skywaters

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Sure.. This is my natal chart. I have just gotten into astrology this year. And after looking into the kind of patters and transitions that I should have gone through in the past they are pretty accutate. In gerneral statements. Due to my saturn placemetn and Pluto. As for the Uranus. During the time as I did get a divorce I could not handle my transistions and I had terrible post pardumn depression. I look back and I do not know how to stop obbsessing over the little things. Over the past year I have stopped talking to the majority of my childhood friends. (over 25 yrs of friendship) My mind never stops to the point where I take lots of sleeping pills to have it stop racing at night and even at that I can only get a good 4 hours and this has been going on since I was 18. I have gone through years where I drink tons of alcholol then years where I won't touch it. Same with some drugs. (since I have had my daughter no drugs) Alchohol for the past 3 years has been at a very low. And very controlled. I am always driven to prove someone wrong and i live in constatnt stress. Until now I was looking at it like this is everyone elses fault.. then I was getting into astrology thinking now maybe it just may be me. I do have a Dr involvevd with me so this is just a little thing to better help me maybe help myself or help with people questions answers if wanted.
 

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Artnunymiss

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I can tell you what I've observed of my own psychology, and you can see what fits, if these traits also carry over to others that you observe.

1. T-square with Mars apex -- serious anger management issues.

2. Mars in Gemini at that apex -- struggle with ADD and OCD

3. Bucket chart hanging from Neptune in Scorpio at 15:15 -- "I see dead people." I'm definitely not schizophrenic, yet I have all kinds of contact with non-physical entities, not consciously initiated by me. Grand trines in water, Sun at the apex of that, exacerbates overall sensitivity. I'm HFA, high functioning autistic, not schizophrenic.

4. Neptune Opposition Jupiter -- this, for me, is a "toroid." That is to say, my consciousness can get in and out the top and bottom of my experience, front or back door, any time it wants. I have a lot of non-ordinary reality experiences, and find it very hard to stay grounded. Again, not schizophrenia. I have had a near-death experience, and this was the mechanism.

5. Saturn and Moon opposite Uranus and Pluto (in the T-square). This is pretty much self-explanatory. Depression, my constant friend, thanks to non-stop curveballs thrown by life and my own "past" life recall from being autistic.

6. Uranus and Pluto in the second house -- autistic person who has bigtime trouble with communication. Overtalkative due to Mars, talks over people and talks too much generally. Says weird and shocking things that really upset people, because their reality is so different from other people's. (All HFA traits)

7. 12th house Sun in Cancer -- emotional quicksand, born wearing a hair shirt.

If I didn't have all those trines, I doubt I would have survived, honestly. The depression and rage would have killed me as a young person.

I can't say that any of these would carry over to anyone else's chart, but these are factors to look at, I think. These things are all pretty clear in my own life, I think some of them probably apply to others.
 

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waybread

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I think you've got a couple of aspects that could cause mood-swings:

Mercury-Pluto (wide, but there if you feel it.)

Saturn square Neptune. (lows vs. highs)

Uranus square Mars and AC. (Do you feel like you have an invisible electric fence turned on much of the time?)

Moon semi-square Saturn. ("depressed feelings")

There is kind of an epidemic in the US of women hooked on sleeping pills. You might see if a sleep clinic can help-- and then don't use your computer or other e-device within a few hours of trying to sleep. Apparently they really negatively affect some people. Some herbal preparations like a peppermint essential oil inhaler or or a dried lavendar or hops sachet tucked into your pillow case can be helpful. A hot bath just before bedtime-- or better yet, a soak in a hot tub if this is feasible. There are mental exercises you can try, as well, to quiet the "thought gerbils" racing around.
 
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Artnunymiss

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You completely nailed it with "thought gerbils." Mine are now trained to pull a sled across Alaska in a big race, now that I'm old.

I have had many problems with sleep, but usually in a very good way. I get huge inrushes of energy and information, what I can only describe as "creative revelations" that can actually last for days. I sleep well nowadays, I manage my stress as Job 1.

The other thing that I think gives me mood swings, aside from all of the Cancer and water generally, is the heavy Pluto. I am very much prone to all or nothing thinking. My communication is all or nothing -- I either stay completely quiet or can't stop talking.

I have also really had to fight off paranoia. With my 12th house Sun, though, it's like the old saying "Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to get you." I have had more than one situation where people so disliked me in my workplace that they plotted together to get me fired. I give people "the creeps" because they can't read me. Also I just have a generally Plutonian/Uranian/Saturnian affect for most people.

So creating enemies without actually doing anything to them, they just don't like the issues I work through within myself and it makes them uncomfortable enough to lash out at me.
 

Artnunymiss

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Wesley Willis

Wesley Willis was a paranoid schizophrenic from my neighborhood in Chicago. He was a very well-known personality, achieving even some national fame for his songs that he performed, first on the streets, then in clubs, then sometimes even on tours out of town.

He was also a prolific artist, who could draw street scenes in incredible detail. His drawings were in some ways startlingly precise, including license plate numbers on cars and serial numbers on buses. No people, just vehicles and buildings and infrastructure. All of his drawings had a sort of dizzying perspective.

Here's his Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wesley_Willis

And here's the chart I pulled for him. I knew him personally, and can give some thoughts on his chart and how I saw some of those things manifest in his life, but I need to get caught up on some work first.

Wesley was definitely as mentally ill as people get.
 

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Skywaters

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I think you've got a couple of aspects that could cause mood-swings:

Mercury-Pluto (wide, but there if you feel it.)

Saturn square Neptune. (lows vs. highs)

Uranus square Mars and AC. (Do you feel like you have an invisible electric fence turned on much of the time?)

Moon semi-square Saturn. ("depressed feelings")

There is kind of an epidemic in the US of women hooked on sleeping pills. You might see if a sleep clinic can help-- and then don't use your computer or other e-device within a few hours of trying to sleep. Apparently they really negatively affect some people. Some herbal preparations like a peppermint essential oil inhaler or or a dried lavendar or hops sachet tucked into your pillow case can be helpful. A hot bath just before bedtime-- or better yet, a soak in a hot tub if this is feasible. There are mental exercises you can try, as well, to quiet the "thought gerbils" racing around.

Yes my mood swings I am now noticing why people have called me a "drama queen my whole life" I just never understood how people could brush things off and move on in life so quickly. I get stuck in moments sometimes for years.

And this electric fence you are talking about I think I have actually started to create one in the past couple of years because I have not liked the people I have surrounded myself with my whole life (I am growing back closer with my family) I never felt I was close with my friends but they were my peers and I felt as if I was supposed to be around them. I always found myself wanting to talk with their parents more times than them. Even at a young age looking back. I was never good at school until I went back to study something of interest and when I took the time I actually did better than the majority of my class and was the 2 out of 12 to find a job and the one with the highest pay. I set standards so high for myself and others that when people around me don't even file a piece of paper I get annoyed and like it is really that simple just put it away. Then my temperament gets set off and takes me about another 20 minutes to get back on track. I do drink teas to sleep they do not help my mind does not rest. It won't stop talking.
I listin to music but most songs take me back to the first time I heard the song or the memory of the song that it makes me "to happy or too sad"so I end up having to listen to talk radio "Politics" then I obsess about how angry and Stupid people are in the world and buy books on politics. Every issue I hear on the radio I follow up on when I get home. Then I relate it to my job. (in the medical field) Then I relate it to my home (being a single mom) perfections The world expects every one to be perfect in all areas and yet they only strive for you to have two incomes. I sometimes think I got into the wrong profession because my oppinions are so strong and I will research you into the ground even if it was two years ago on if your friends door was blue or not (kinda of stuff I obsess over and people forget) I don't want to seem ignorant when I speak but yet have a huge problem of not shutting up and being extremely "Blunt" to the point where I have no empathy but yet if I was too feel I think I would loose it. Because I have already been there and I did not like that person either.

And yes this leads me to always feeling depressed because I am always in fear that I am not good enough. Failed marriage. Don't make enough money. Don't get to see my daughter as much as i thought I would. Guilt consumes me for the life I wanted to live vs the life I have. I am constantly correct about all assumptions and my friends never want to hear them because my "voice of reason is to logical and blunt and I come off too strong or rude" (but I never knew how I was the one being rude when they are the ones making fun of people and I would call them out on it and say what if you had children one day and you had them come home crying that some one was treating them the way you are speaking of this girl now) I mean this went on my whole life my friends were nasty it made me uncomfortable so I started calling them out on it to the point of saying were at the age of having kids and I have a child and if she ever had a friend like you I would not let her in the house. so they have stopped talking to me or I just stopped talking to them. (and I have been friends with some of them for over 25 yrs) I mean the list goes on... I have had eating disorders since the age of 12 because of the girls I hung out with but yet. It consumes my life I always miss my loved ones but the second they are around I am completely on a different wave length. I do not have any idea how to think of day to day.. I think of years to years.
 

GalacticEgg

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Re: Wesley Willis

Wesley Willis was a paranoid schizophrenic from my neighborhood in Chicago. He was a very well-known personality, achieving even some national fame for his songs that he performed, first on the streets, then in clubs, then sometimes even on tours out of town.

He was also a prolific artist, who could draw street scenes in incredible detail. His drawings were in some ways startlingly precise, including license plate numbers on cars and serial numbers on buses. No people, just vehicles and buildings and infrastructure. All of his drawings had a sort of dizzying perspective.

Here's his Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wesley_Willis

And here's the chart I pulled for him. I knew him personally, and can give some thoughts on his chart and how I saw some of those things manifest in his life, but I need to get caught up on some work first.

Wesley was definitely as mentally ill as people get.

Awesome, thanks for posting his chart!

Sun in 10, acquired notoriety through his personality. I've always found pointers to notable mental illness in good ol' Mercury...Wesley's is in a fixed, earthy sign, Taurus, in the ninth house of "higher learning". It's like his mentality is "stuck in the mud", and that's very apparent listening to his music: thought loop after thought loop, simple synth tune as a backdrop (Merc conj. a happy Venus in Taurus, the mind set to music). That Mercury likes his moon in Virgo, though. I understand watching his mother abusing drugs is a very strong trauma to him (MY MAMA SMOKED CRACK ROCKS). She most likely smoked them during her pregnancy as well.

Speaking of stuck, I see that fiery Mars in the 12th house conjunct his ascendant, desperate to express its vitality but hitting its head against the stronger Saturn in his rulership, Aquarius.

Thanks for sharing, that's a fun one to look at!
 

Artnunymiss

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So glad you enjoyed it! Wesley was really a beautiful soul. I hadn't thought about the Mercury in Taurus thing, but yes, he did spend a lot of time stuck in the psychic mud, going around and around spinning his wheels.

However, he was one of the most remarkably resilient people I've ever met. If people showed him the least bit of kindness or empathy, he melted into being an angel. When people were hostile or unfriendly toward him, he'd get knocked all the way off the beam. But he was always, always reaching for a way to be happy.

Another semi-famous Chicagoan to look at is Henry Darger. Like me, Henry had Asperger's syndrome. And lo and behold, Mercury in Taurus.

P.S. I coincidentally hope live in Mojave, in a Winnebago.
 

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Zonark

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Can anyone tell me what signs to look for in regards to mental illness in a natal chart? Schizophrenia, serial killers etc

Serial killers and mental illness are 2 different things. Confusing the two is discrimination against people with a disability, do not do this. Serial killers may often be mentally ill but some of them are mentally stable; they are just bad people. The mentally ill are statistically rarely killers and tend to pose the greatest harm to themselves before anyone else.

Serial killers are a rarity in and of themselves. Finding evidence of one in a chart is sketchy business. You have to find evidence of something compelling or urging the native to kill and then from there... if you study serial killers the reason why they kill, how they kill or who they kill varies considerably. This is why finding it in a chart, never mind finding a killer in real life as a detective, is difficult. The only unifying thing serial killers really have is they kill a lot of people. Sometimes it's one and then they wait a long time, sometimes they do a bunch in a short span of time, sometimes it's very sporadic, there's no general "serial killer pattern".

Mental illness is easier to find in a chart. Malefic or afflicted planets in the first house (ruling the head) can cause head injuries which lead to 'mental illness' though the cause of it may be physical. Or if the planet afflicted is Mercury, Uranus or Neptune, Mercury causes problems with the nervous system when afflicted and when Mercury rules the 1st house (head) it's afflicted nervous system in the head so you get mental illness and mental problems. Pretty straightforward. Drug abuse can lead to mental illness as certain kinds of Neptunian abuse. Any afflicted planet in the first is a clue to head problems which may mean problems with the stuff inside one's head.

Mercury afflicted or retrograde sometimes leads to mental illness as a contributing factor. Afflictions by Neptune are the most likely candidate for true mental illness. The Moon as well, since it rules the unconscious, is a strong clue.

Mental illness is a broad term. Schizophrenia encompasses a lot of things too but in general is marked by;

Catatonia,
Delusions,
Hallucinations,
Highly unusual thoughts

All things ruled by Neptune.
 

LittleFairy

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Hello!! I am totally new there! My interesting in astrology started because I want to explain somebody's behaviour since I still haven't realise what happened. I was with a guy for four years and because of my naivety I haven't discovered that he was married with children!! We broke up the day I discovered it of course three years ago. But now I am just wondering about him.. I think he is kind of bipolar or mythomany neurosis I don't know. But I do believe that he is not a normal bahavior or just a cheaters one because he had a double life. More specific he was a Taurus but had unaspected moon in Aries. Besides he had a Venus / Mars conjunction in Gemini. What do you think about it? I appreciate any answer or help. I am just trying to understand him and to forgive him in order not to resent him. I want to release my anger just for me. Sorry for the possible mistakes English is not my native language. Thank you
 

waybread

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Welcome to the forum.

Mental illness is hard for a non-professional to diagnose, but cheating is a little easier. Mars-Venus in Gemini can give this tendency especially if Jupiter is involved by aspect. (Jupiter is the planet of, "If a little is good, a lot is better.")
 

LittleFairy

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Really thank you for responding. No aspects with Jupiter involved, in fact unaffected Jupiter as well. But Venus opposition Neptune and with 8 degrees boundary Neptune opposite Mercury as well. Its not a matter of cheating. Recalling his behaviour he gave the impression that he did believed his lies.
Like having lost the boundaries between lie and truth. Even three years later it's hard to realize what have happened and I'm to find a reason for all that.
 

neshand

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This is all very interesting. I am new to astrology, but have experienced severe depression, isolation, anxiety, etc. ***NOTE: I AM NOT LOOKING FOR COUNSELING NOR DO I PLAN TO KILL MYSELF. I AM STABLE, SYMPTOMS ARE WELL MANAGED, ETC*** I don't want the moderators to panic and delete my post again just because I have a mental illness. I'm simply curious if there is any indication of this type of psychological defect in my chart because the issues showed up at a very young age. I am 37 now. The same issues have been problems off & on for my mother and daughter so I wonder if we all have something karmic going on that shows up in our charts.

I'm including my chart here for review. I'd be interested in knowing if some placements, aspects or degrees point to mental illness.
 

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IleneK

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Just a quick pass here.

You have, shall we say, an unhappy Saturn in its detriment, amplified by its elevation at the top of the chart and angular on the 10th house cusp. And Saturn may be associated with depression and anxiety.

Saturn's amplified influence from it sign of detriment then goes on to rule your Sun, Mercury and the ruler of the Ascendant, exalted Mars. It has a further special influence/connection to your Sun through what is called mutual reception: that is, Saturn is in the sign that Sun rules and Sun is in the sign that Saturn rules. So these very integral, personal points, your Sun and Ascendant, are within the domain of debilitated Saturn's influence. The influence proceeds through the houses that these planets rule. This might allude to the depression you describe and the timing of certain episodes and events would likely be shown through transits, progressions and so on.
 

miquar

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Hi neshand. Just to let you know I've found your new attempt at posting your chart and I'll look at it tomorrow.

Best wishes,
 

Frisiangal

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This is all very interesting. I am new to astrology, but have experienced severe depression, isolation, anxiety, etc........... I'm simply curious if there is any indication of this type of psychological defect in my chart because the issues showed up at a very young age. I am 37 now. The same issues have been problems off & on for my mother and daughter so I wonder if we all have something karmic going on that shows up in our charts.

I'm including my chart here for review. I'd be interested in knowing if some placements, aspects or degrees point to mental illness.
Hi,
As you will see from previous posts on this thread, as well as other similar posts much further back in the archives, what astrological symbolism constitutes 'mental illness' is questionable and argueable. Also whether such has been medically and/or psychologically diagnosed as 'a disorder' by a professional in the field that subsequently supplies a labelled definition', usually associated with some form of 'ab-normality. Most astrologers are neither practising physicans nor psychologists, so any views offered from consideration of the chart are always subject to differences in/of opinion. This is because a planetary aspect's definition is not static but can be interpreted in various ways.

At a glance, the chart provided has all the 'signs' of mental disorientation; a harshly aspected Mercury (mental thought in stone) AND to ruler Ascendant in 12th house (mental repression), a heavy 3rd house influence (the mind processes through family relationships), as well as highly volatile and irrational feelings. A North Node in Libra, a social (or anti-social) air (mentality) sign, would also add its influence.
Yet those same aspects could be interpreted as a very private and rationally-minded person, yet one who puts up a front, keeps their thoughts and feelings to themselves, whereby everything festers inside just waiting like a volcano to explode. Would such a person be considered to have a mental illness, or would perhaps the mentioned traumas from
youth, and further circumstances because of them, have had such an emotional effect that speaking out only occured in, and through, the mind?

But that's just astrology offering alternate perspectives.:smile:
 
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