Marilyn Monroe

Ukpoohbear

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Some good news regarding the outcome of the previous post. Marilyn’s home has successfully been saved from the proposed demolition.

Council woman Traci Park, who works in the 11th district where Marilyn’s home is located, successfully requested and received approval, through an unanimous vote, to stop the notice of intent to revoke the building permit for the demolition.

Looks like Marilyn’s grand water trine, which included a solitary but solid Saturn in 4th, is still at play!!

Council woman Traci Park holding the approval letter. (Click to enlarge)
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Marilyn dancing in Gentleman Prefer Blondes
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Ukpoohbear

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Elizabeth Taylor v’s Marilyn Monroe, as according to photographer Bert Stern —

Photographer Bert Stern, who worked with both Monroe and Taylor in 1962, later wrote in his book, The Last Sitting, ‘Marilyn was totally the opposite of Elizabeth Taylor. Liz Taylor’s already “there.” All she has to do is turn exactly straight and be still. Her beauty is formal. Liz is the fact of beauty. Marilyn was the fantasy. If Marilyn were still for an instant, her beauty would evaporate. With her it was like photographing light itself.’

Quote taken from - https://tarahanks.com/2011/03/23/elizabeth-taylor-1932-2011/

2nd quote by Bert Stern where he scrutinises the beauty of the various famous women he has photographed:

"My eye roved her face, searching. I couldn’t find the secret of her beauty in any one feature. She didn’t have a great nose like Liz Taylor, or perfect lips like Brigitte Bardot. She didn’t have gorgeous almond-shaped eyes like Sophia Loren. And yet she was more to me than all of them put together."
Bert Stern

Photographs both taken by Bert Stern.

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Edit: I deleted the two photo collages I posted that shied MM and ET side by side as a comparison. But the shots of MM went against the forum rules due to showing just a bit too much breast.

Also, I forgot to add astrology.

However, it struck me as very interesting that MM’s shots were indeed very sexual (I hadn’t noticed it before).

I think it is indicative of MM’s state of mind in 1962, when the shots were taken. The series of shots ate called ‘The Last Sitting,’ as they were the final professional shots Bert Stern took of MM.

If you want to look up the ET photos I shared, if you just type in, ‘Elizabeth Taylor, Bert Stern, Cleopatra, 1963.’

MM was 36 years old when these shots were taken by Bert Stern. Her career was on the wane and, by Hollywood standards, she was considered aged.

The fact that MM was still using her sexuality at the sunset of her career shows her severe lack of self-esteem and also her inner sense of failure, and having not progressed from a ‘Cheesecake model’ and into a Diva.

The lack of self-esteem can by seen by her Moon in 7th, opposing Neptune and squaring Saturn, which is also part of a Water Grand Trine, which was the ‘Norma Jeane’ aspect, and her hidden, insecure and shy self.

In other words, Marilyn Monroe was acting like a model on her 20’s and not a successful diva in her 30s. Her movie star persona still relied on sexuality and had not progressed and as such, it would be difficult to market her.

I think this is indicative of where MM’s career was headed - she had not had a successful movie since 1959’s Some Like It Hot, and had not managed to transition from a sex kitten to something that could be marketed for more mature roles.

I suspect, had MM not died so young, which struck at the heart strings of the public, she probably would have been forgotten and ended up in an asylum (her worst nightmare).

Marilyn did take some more high fashion and mess cheesecake style photos with Bert Stern in the same sitting, but she was quoted as having been anxious to take her clothes off after being tempted with some champagne.

This photo illustrates where MM’s could have headed, but she seemed to think she only had value with her clothes off, which is a-shame to have low self esteem like that.

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For Elizabeth Taylor, what gave her a sense of a strong inner identity?

Well, besides that she had not had to fight and struggle to make her place on the world like MM had, even if her gilded movie studio childhood upbringing brought its own problems - I think her Moon in Scorpio is a powerful secret weapon, capable of putting up a shield against the world, that the public could not penetrate or emotionally effect her.

You can see it in her eyes and attitude in this photo —

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ElenaJ

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Taylor had Neptune exactly opposite sun/mercury with mars close to the conjunction.
The exact Venus/uranus conjunction exactly trine ascendent, making her very friendly to the camera lens.
 

Ukpoohbear

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Taylor had Neptune exactly opposite sun/mercury with mars close to the conjunction.
The exact Venus/uranus conjunction exactly trine ascendent, making her very friendly to the camera lens.

I posted this in the Elizabeth Taylor thread as well!
(https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/index.php?threads/elizabeth-taylor.147614/)

I just added an extra quote here that was just about MM.

ET and MM were opposites in terms of personalities, what motivated them, or what their physical appeal was, so it’s very interesting to compare them.

ET had power, wealth, a gilded-cage childhood and a career that was handed to her. She had her pick of men and her life was filled with exciting, tumultuous relationship.

Where’s, for MM, she did not care about money or material things, she was a more Bohemian type and she was motivated by seeking acceptance and love. She had to work hard at her career, to the point of giving herself up for sexual favours in exchange for movie roles. Her love-life was boring in comparison to ET’s, and she didn’t really date or go out, to the point that the press wondered why was wasn’t interested in men, and wondered if she was a lesbian!

One thing they did have in common though, was neither of them very available, as in, ET used her Moon in Scorpio to create a kind of shield of protection towards the press and fans. Even though she knew how to use the press to garner attention for her career.

MM did the same, she knew how to play the press, and gave the impression of being widely available. As in, her sexuality was not intimidating. But despite appearing to be available, she never showed her true self, to the point, no one actually knows who she is to this day.

They both have Pisces/Neptune so maybe this lack of availability comes from that too.

Very interesting characters to compare though! So many differences.
 

Ukpoohbear

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Came across this photo of Marilyn Monroe visiting a soldier with an injured back in Japan, 1954. Something I didn't know about her is she often visited soldiers to boost morale.

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It’s a lovely photo that really shows MM’s humanity doesn’t it! And sense of humour.

She was on her honeymoon with Joe DiMaggio when she received the offer to entertain the troops. She grabbed it with both arms, which is indicative of her priorities, in terms of marriage v’s career, which would soon cause their divorce.

Here she is performing to the troops. She said it was the first time she felt like a star and she fed off the love and adoration fans felt from the soldiers’ to give her a sense of identity, which can be seen with a public Moon-Jupiter in Aqua 7th house opposing Neptune:


Later that year, she would go on to famously pose on a subway grate in a white dress, with the wind from the passing train lifting up her dress to show her underwear, as promotion for movie The Seven Year Itch. Joe DiMaggio was said to have stormed off in a huff and later would lead to Joe being physically violent to her when both back at their hotel room. The movie studios insisted she then divorce him, as they wanted to protect their investment in her physical beauty.


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Here she is reporting her divorce with Joe DiMaggio, in a rare display of genuine emotion —

 
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piercethevale

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I'm moving, This Monday April 1st, to the El Cortez Hotel in Reno. I'm told that the original "Rat Pack" and Marilyn Monroe stayed there over the years. It was built in 1931 and was the tallest building in Reno when it was completed.
I also hear that it's haunted... one can only wish... 'ya know?
 

Ukpoohbear

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I'm moving, This Monday April 1st, to the El Cortez Hotel in Reno. I'm told that the original "Rat Pack" and Marilyn Monroe stayed there over the years. It was built in 1931 and was the tallest building in Reno when it was completed.
I also hear that it's haunted... one can only wish... 'ya know?

Oh wow that sounded fun! Let me know how it goes and if the spirit of oor dear MM pays you a visit!

Although I did a quick Google and there is no indication MM stayed in this specific hotel, but she may well have, because Reno is the location for the movie ‘The Misfits,’ the one which the playwright Arthur Niller wrote.

Reno was famous for a quick and easy divorce, and Miller used that as a theme for the movie. You may not get to meet the spirit of MM, but you may find you are greeted by a swarm of happily divorced ghost women 😆

It is Marilyn’s birthday coming up in June 1st!

(Adding astrology so the rule fairies don’t delete our convo). 😋
 

piercethevale

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A couple of photos took this past morning... in Reno...
The El Cotez... which was the tallest building in Reno when it opened in 1931... and a photo from the lobby of the El Cortez
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Marilyn Monroe lobby of the El Cortez Hotel Reno.jpg
 

Ukpoohbear

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I love the photo they have of Miller and Monroe in the hotel. I haven’t seen that photo before either. I love the more natural and ‘non-posed’ photos like that.

The magnum photo is a great one too. Looks like a great site too, to get a real copy of a photograph.
 
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