Luck and fortune

Abby83

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I would like to understand how I can better use my chart to enhance luck/fortune in my life. I know that Jupiter and Sagittarius and the 9th house rule luck and POF is also involved, but can someone help me discover how to use it to my advantage.

For example, when I look at my chart, my 9th ruler is moon in sag in the 1st. Now, I only ever did higher education for 6 months. I am not a teacher or work with the law or philosophies and I most definitely am not religious. My brother in law and sister in law (9th house) are though.

Secondly, my second ruler is Jupiter in sag in the 1st. Again, I have never had a bountiful income. I always had the lowest income offered to me. Only when I worked for myself I managed to charge a standard rate. Nothing special.

Part of Fortune trine asc - I appear as though I'm lucky. But it squares the sun (my motherhood, my identity).

So despite what appears to be a really fortunate chart, I don't feel too lucky at all.
 

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dr. farr

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Choose lucky days for taking chances: I'll be posting a Modernist Lunar guide to lucky and unlucky days in a future post here on AW
 

Abby83

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Choose lucky days for taking chances: I'll be posting a Modernist Lunar guide to lucky and unlucky days in a future post here on AW

Cool thanks. I already do my best to pick dates for events so they are more harmonious. But every single time a family event is arranged by other ppl the astrological alignment is unfavourable for me.
 
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Hermeshadesluna

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1. 9th house ruler in 1st- Apply your emotional wisdom and experiences to your personality and personal issues.

2. Ruler of 1st in domicile squaring Venus and Mars - What you appreciate and desire from your career and social groups is squaring your wisdom and experiences in regards to your 1st house , so you also wanna take the wisdom that you gained from those arenas and apply it to your personality and personal issues. Remember that squares are what you have to learn.

Hope that helps
 
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Abby83

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1. 9th house ruler in 1st- Apply your emotional wisdom and experiences to your personality and personal issues.

2. Ruler of 1st in domicile squaring Venus and Mars - What you appreciate and desire from your career and social groups is squaring your wisdom and experiences in regards to your 1st house , so you also wanna take the wisdom that you gained from those arenas and apply it to your personality and personal issues. Remember that squares are what you have to learn.

Hope that helps

My experiences of my past make me a rather serious and dissatisfied person.
I'm sick of seeing injustice on a regular basis and those ppl getting away with it.
I wish I could see or figure out examples of what you say so I can better understand what I need to do. Basically in my life I have found that I cant get frustrated with ppl or angry cos it doesn't do anything. I can only remain calm and try to enjoy life no matter how ridiculous or illegal or offensive situations are.

With your second paragraph I'm thinking of the time I got married and I was rather traditional in the sense but all the ceremonial events we had to go through interfered with my daily life (6th ruler mars) and my health. So whilst I have good luck my health fails. I even had to quit my job. The square has also brought tension in my marriage and social life but I do think children are important.

The wisdom I experience now is conflicting. For one, I cant stand superficiality where a person is treated well just because they are slim and look decent (appearances matter). Then I am conflicted cos I think it's not important after birth. But then I think being health is important but not more important than the kids and then I relay back and forth over and over again in my head until I drive myself crazy. The balance is never there. It's either I spend time exercising to stay slim and fit into clothes or I have an exercise free life and totally devote my time with my kids and working to provide for them. There is never time for both. At least not now. It's conflicting.
 

Hermeshadesluna

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My experiences of my past make me a rather serious and dissatisfied person.
I'm sick of seeing injustice on a regular basis and those ppl getting away with it.
I wish I could see or figure out examples of what you say so I can better understand what I need to do. Basically in my life I have found that I cant get frustrated with ppl or angry cos it doesn't do anything. I can only remain calm and try to enjoy life no matter how ridiculous or illegal or offensive situations are.

With your second paragraph I'm thinking of the time I got married and I was rather traditional in the sense but all the ceremonial events we had to go through interfered with my daily life (6th ruler mars) and my health. So whilst I have good luck my health fails. I even had to quit my job. The square has also brought tension in my marriage and social life but I do think children are important.

The wisdom I experience now is conflicting. For one, I cant stand superficiality where a person is treated well just because they are slim and look decent (appearances matter). Then I am conflicted cos I think it's not important after birth. But then I think being health is important but not more important than the kids and then I relay back and forth over and over again in my head until I drive myself crazy. The balance is never there. It's either I spend time exercising to stay slim and fit into clothes or I have an exercise free life and totally devote my time with my kids and working to provide for them. There is never time for both. At least not now. It's conflicting.

I'm sorry I misinterpreted a few things(This current mercury retro is really ******* with natal mercury), also causing me to miss pertinent information. Since we're talking about luck and abundance the key here is to focus on your Jupiterian soul (since I'm from the know thyself and doors will open school of thought) and other energies.


1. Develop your visions for your health, work and routine and use the desire to formulate your public relations, instead of desiring structural perfection in that arena and analyzing whats there. This is key to unlocking the power of your Sag moon in your chart (since we're talking about Jupiter here) which gains emotional security from wisdom, knowlege, experience and optimism which is also in the element of vision and inspiration.

2. Take your visionary values and embed them to your persona. It makes natual sense that you value your children and the deep emotional bond since your 5th house ruler is in the 2nd. Dont forget about your other creative endeavors either. Also don't forget to communicate that in your public dealings. Since your the ruler of your Scorp ascendant is in the 11th, you have a fixed emotional persona, which seeks to to merge with the public and transform and purify the public arena (Virg, Scorp), but the way to do that is through your visions. Remember since Scorpio is the sign of using desire to purge, purify and transform.


3. Don't be afraid to act on your innovative visions which you formed through your experiences in the public arena and unknown situations. Also don't forget to embed your aquarian home and emotional stability and embed that to your persona and act on that also.

I hope I clarified a few things for ya. Peace, love and gnosis
 

Abby83

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I'm sorry I misinterpreted a few things(This current mercury retro is really ******* with natal mercury), also causing me to miss pertinent information. Since we're talking about luck and abundance the key here is to focus on your Jupiterian soul (since I'm from the know thyself and doors will open school of thought) and other energies.


1. Develop your visions for your health, work and routine and use the desire to formulate your public relations, instead of desiring structural perfection in that arena and analyzing whats there. This is key to unlocking the power of your Sag moon in your chart (since we're talking about Jupiter here) which gains emotional security from wisdom, knowlege, experience and optimism which is also in the element of vision and inspiration.

2. Take your visionary values and embed them to your persona. It makes natual sense that you value your children and the deep emotional bond since your 5th house ruler is in the 2nd. Dont forget about your other creative endeavors either. Also don't forget to communicate that in your public dealings. Since your the ruler of your Scorp ascendant is in the 11th, you have a fixed emotional persona, which seeks to to merge with the public and transform and purify the public arena (Virg, Scorp), but the way to do that is through your visions. Remember since Scorpio is the sign of using desire to purge, purify and transform.


3. Don't be afraid to act on your innovative visions which you formed through your experiences in the public arena and unknown situations. Also don't forget to embed your aquarian home and emotional stability and embed that to your persona and act on that also.

I hope I clarified a few things for ya. Peace, love and gnosis

You don't need to apologise. You've done a fantastic job 😀.
It's funny. All my sag moon seems to want to do is eat cos eating a large variety of food or cooking lots of god with the kids makes me happy. After reading your post I realise that i do achieve luck when I follow my beliefs however for some reason my beliefs receive so much opposition. It leaves me feeling so confused cos I mean if it's working well for me, why would so many ppl want to impose they disagree with my beliefs? Weird.

Cool, so I need to socialise or publicise my knowledge in some way. I'm thinking this refers to my knowledge about health. Thing is I'm learning something new every yr and there's lots of info out there already. But who knows. Perhaps I could use my knowledge of motherhood instead . Yes it is true that i need to use my other creative talents. I just started writing. But perhaps working with kids. Hmmm... you've given me a lot to think about here and it seems i need to have a goal and plan and routine in place to reach my vision. Right now though I'm dragging my feet looking after my toddlers all day so I'll have to wait a yr.

Thank you very much for helping me realise my potential 🙂.
 

Abby83

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I just want to add something. When it comes to health matters I'm rather different than most ppl. They think my health beliefs are too strict. But say for example me and my family struggle with dairy and too much meat, my hb and his family actually struggle with fruit and veg. Not joking here. Their bodies don't go well with that food. But I think the chart is telling to stay true regardless. They make fun of me cos I'm different to them or they will get offended if I don't eat their food but it's better than getting sick. Could the Jupiter square mars also indicating the need to balance more between junk and healthy food. Right now I must admit I eat an abundance of everything.

Another thing I thought about was writing about how to deal with a bad mother in law. I'm learning a lot through my experience but for starters I wouldn't want her having the satisfaction of knowing so I'd probably change my name.
 
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Hermeshadesluna

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You don't need to apologise. You've done a fantastic job ��.
It's funny. All my sag moon seems to want to do is eat cos eating a large variety of food or cooking lots of god with the kids makes me happy. After reading your post I realise that i do achieve luck when I follow my beliefs however for some reason my beliefs receive so much opposition. It leaves me feeling so confused cos I mean if it's working well for me, why would so many ppl want to impose they disagree with my beliefs? Weird.

Cool, so I need to socialise or publicise my knowledge in some way. I'm thinking this refers to my knowledge about health. Thing is I'm learning something new every yr and there's lots of info out there already. But who knows. Perhaps I could use my knowledge of motherhood instead . Yes it is true that i need to use my other creative talents. I just started writing. But perhaps working with kids. Hmmm... you've given me a lot to think about here and it seems i need to have a goal and plan and routine in place to reach my vision. Right now though I'm dragging my feet looking after my toddlers all day so I'll have to wait a yr.

Thank you very much for helping me realise my potential ��.

I just want to add something. When it comes to health matters I'm rather different than most ppl. They think my health beliefs are too strict. But say for example me and my family struggle with dairy and too much meat, my hb and his family actually struggle with fruit and veg. Not joking here. Their bodies don't go well with that food. But I think the chart is telling to stay true regardless. They make fun of me cos I'm different to them or they will get offended if I don't eat their food but it's better than getting sick. Could the Jupiter square mars also indicating the need to balance more between junk and healthy food. Right now I must admit I eat an abundance of everything.

Another thing I thought about was writing about how to deal with a bad mother in law. I'm learning a lot through my experience but for starters I wouldn't want her having the satisfaction of knowing so I'd probably change my name.



I know firsthand about that moon-jupiter aspect, hehe. With that aspect you wanna go big or go home. As for all the opposition, that sounds like other's Mars opposing or squaring your Jupiter. As for making your knowledge public, that is the key. Then you'll attract the right social group.
Junk food: yes that's the jupiter-mars at play
Peace to you and the babies
 
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sadge

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Abby,

It's clear that you have a strong personality (there's nothing wrong with that!) and a pretty concentrated focus on the key areas of life that matter to you. This is evident from the dominance of planets on the western side of your chart. That exclusive focus, coupled with a strong 1st house (including a Sag moon and SN), means you have a strong independent streak in you, with a touch of missionary zeal.

At the same time, it's clear that the biggest life lessons, and critical turning points in growth, will come through the area of relationships. Not friendships, but intimate relationships and partnerships. With your Chiron and NN in 7th house, this will be an area of pain for you at times. But as you learn to objectively appreciate different points of view (your NN calling), you will gain more inner balance. All of this will start to make sense in the next 2-4 years (if I remembered your age correctly) as you begin to realize where you want to be in relation to where you are at the moment.

Re your Jupiter influence in the first house.....this can manifest in many different ways. One thing I've noticed among a few friends is that it makes them just downright good people. Very ethical, fair, and naturally "jupterian" in how they meet the world. One friend, who has a cancer asc with Jupiter in the first, has really big boobs. (It's actually a problem now.)

Another thing to keep in mind is your transits. You are still really young. There's a lot of life to live and you will be a different person in a few years, then again in another 10-12 years. You will have a stronger sense of purpose and direction from your experiences and relationships between now and then. Our natal charts get activated and we learn a lot of these inner "aspects" and energies as they are brought to the surface for reckoning from transits. Wait until after your 3rd Jupiter return, your nodal return, your Uranus opposition.....it'll all start to fall in place in your head.

You've lived through Saturn transiting your first house, and now it's working it's way through your second, the area where Pluto has already stripped you to the core. This is your house of earned income (net worth), but also the house of your self-worth. Sound familiar? The questions you are asking about income and "luck" are the very things that Saturn is making you consider in a serious, saturnian, way. Saturn wants to make it real....blow away the illusions (Neptune in 2nd) or weak structures and give you the chance to really understand your real worth. The process of going through this can be painful. But it doesn't last forever and it does produce meaningful lessons that allows you to strengthen your chart (yourself) as we live it.

In a nutshell, I would say to ease up a bit on yourself. It's a tough time when these outer planet transit key areas of your chart. But it doesn't last forever. And you've got transiting Jupiter on your side for several years as it supports your inner planets, along with the coming years when it will pass by these very houses that are causing you concern.

I recommend focusing on understanding the 12th house and Neptune. I'm sure you've done that, but Neptune and the 12th is really a complicated area that deserves a lot of thought and objectivity to understand clearly, then translate that understanding into a practical and grounded reality. I see a reoccurring natal theme that places a lot of emphasis on your 12th and Neptune. Study these aspects, the mundane and spiritual meaning of the planets and the houses, and trace over how rulers link to one another. It's clear that you are set to master your 12th house, Neptune energies, and relationships. Your relationships will teach you a lot of these lessons, as evident with Chiron and NN in your 7th house. But with your Libra sun and strong pull toward your SN, it may not always feel comfortable. But the goal here is to be more confident in knowing your worth and more assertive in defining what you deserve in partnership....all in a concrete, unshakable, saturnian way. And from this you'll create a similar increase in the real world like your 2nd house of net worth. But again, it's gotta start with understanding that Neptune influence in your 2nd house and your 12th house presence. Where we have Neptune in our charts is usually where our vision is the most idealistic and possibly lacking in reality. Saturn wants you to get a good saturn grip on it (like turning water into crystal).

While you may not see the "luck" in your life when considering your income, this is because you are undergoing big transits that are forcing you to reckon with this area of your life in a meaningful way. But if you look deeper, you see it's the deep Sagittarian knowledge and faith that will give you the inner tools to make these mental/spiritual connections so you move upward and onward. So your "luck" is definitely a part of you....you're just not seeing it in yourself right now.

Hope I helped?

S.
 
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Abby83

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Well coincidentally today I was watching my wedding video with the kids and it made me cry. Looking at the hell my mother in law put me through and the fact that I am always criticised and I'm never ever good enough and I'm so ugly and useless that I starting thinking that perhaps my ideal of marriage was not a good idea. I mean I felt strongly about getting married and having kids but my mother in law and brother in law have completely ruined my experience for me. I was also keen on motherhood but with the difficulties I'm having with my son (he's exactly the same as the in laws) it's once again ruining my life.

Then I saw your post and it put me in a better mood. I even laughed at a few of your comments. You are so true and well done for being so accurate.

I'm struggling to love because I feel no love from others and I'm disappointed in the world today and the frauds I'm experiencing regularly ATM. It's been hell for a while now.

As for your friend who has Jupiter in 1st house and has really big boobs that are a problem now - lol, I'm experiencing the same thing 😊. They're too big now.

As for values, I've always strongly valued motherhood, but it's the very thing that other ppl don't appreciate about me. When I see other ppl all they say is 'are you working?' Or 'how much are you making these days?' Or 'so what do you do all day?' Then I get those questions like 'when are you gonna get fit again? You look nothing like you used to.' My hb said to me the other day 'what are you actually good at?' Ouch, that hurt. Apparently being a massage therapist and a mother of three means that I'm a nobody.

When you speak of Neptune and 12th house I think of my goal of publishing my children's books (5th house ruler). I have two stories written already but I can't put it together till next yr when I have at least one day a wk to myself. Once again my hb has no respect for me wanting to do this because it's not a real job. So I think what I'm saying here is that I have my own sense of worth and values but they are in no way respected by other ppl. They say I'm living in lala land but I know in my heart that I need to share my lala land to the world.

I'll keep believing in myself cos it's the only thing I have. I'm sure that the children's books will take me away from my current misery. At least we are moving house in two months where we will have a nice big yard for the kids to play on and a quiet neighbourhood. That's exactly what I need right now.
 

sadge

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Your husband sounds like a selfish butthead. An intimate partner should build you up, not break you down. Wait until you're 37/38....then 42/43.....you will look back in disbelief that you let him treat you that way. He better shape up, and he might, depending on his chart and your developing skills in self-advocacy. But intimate partners do not try to weaken their significant other unless there is a deep fear of losing the other person. He knows you're loaded with potential and it makes him insecure.

Definitely pay attention to your relationships. That's another reoccurring theme in your chart. Take these red flags you're currently experiencing to heart and plan ahead....years ahead. Neptune in the 2nd is also prone to being too trusting with money, so a small starting point for you at this stage may be to start setting some money aside. Come up with a savings plan, even if it's just a modest amount each month, for yourself. After it's grown a bit, you will be surprised how your inner confidence kind of grows alongside it. It's about creating the power (your own inner resources, including money) to tell buttheads to get lost or to never feel like you have to put up with people treating you poorly. Start saving now......that small act will do wonders. It's the "inner" knowledge that you have something for yourself if necessary.

And yes, you absolutely can write children's books. I saw it in your chart! Its actually reinforced by several different aspects. I also thought about marriage or couples counseling when you are older, perhaps as you enter your Chiron return.

You will experience pain through your partnerships. Pay attention to what you learn from them. Because this is also the area where you will experience the deepest understanding about yourself too.
 

Abby83

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Thank you for your kind words. It means a lot to me. Again, I agree with all of what you say and you are brilliant at reading my chart.

That advice you give about making money for myself and keeping it aside for my own peace is really helpful. Just reading it made me feel better. I originally got myself into this mess because we bothe agreed that I would be a stay at home mum for a few yrs (which was necessary) and my hb told me he had all the money in the world to provide for them. But once the kids came that all changed. So yes, making money when I get a chance will be a good idea.

I too feel that for some reason the ages of 38 to 42 will be my best yrs. I'm sure all that independence and attention will cause friction for my marriage.

I'm happy you see the children's books. I did think about the marriage counselling but I think I'll find it too depressing.
 

sadge

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Abby, my advice was to start SAVING money now. You are already working.....being a mom is like working 24/7. Stop discrediting that. It is the toughest work out there, I know.

Also....38-42 will be big, but not because it's easy. Its rarely "easy" for anyone psychologically. You will have clarity, confidence, and experience on a new level. You will know yourself, and love yourself, on a new level. But it's a product of everything that's happened before.

Save money. Love yourself. That is the task for now. ;-)
 
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capriquarian97

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venus square jupiter is bad for personal wealth and profits. Neptune in the second house means personal wealth is elusive and the square from mercury enhances this effect. However luck may be found in occupations that deal with water, art or beauty.

jupiter conjunct uranus in first house, you have an optimistic and cheerful drive for expansion in life. Mercury sextile jupiter and uranus, you are cheerful, optimistic, honest, and may give a gift for law or literature. Mars sextile saturn gives an ambitious working disposition, and Mars in Virgo conjunct Venus may mean a career dealing with health or sickness.

Sun and saturn in twelfth house may mean seclusion in some area of life, and with so many squares there may be some erraticness to the mind.
 
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Abby83

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venus square jupiter is bad for personal wealth and profits. Neptune in the second house means personal wealth is elusive and the square from mercury enhances this effect. However luck may be found in occupations that deal with water, art or beauty.

jupiter conjunct uranus in first house, you have an optimistic and cheerful drive for expansion in life. Mercury sextile jupiter and uranus, you are cheerful, optimistic, honest, and may give a gift for law or literature. Mars sextile saturn gives an ambitious working disposition, and Mars in Virgo conjunct Venus may mean a career dealing with health or sickness.

Sun and saturn in twelfth house may mean seclusion in some area of life, and with so many squares there may be some erraticness to the mind.

Thanks for your reply. My favourite work is as a massage therapist. Im curious when you say I will get luck through water, beauty, or art. How did u get that? I will say that good things seem to happen to me when I'm around water. But I don't feel I'd have work working with water.
 

sadge

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venus square jupiter is bad for personal wealth and profits. Neptune in the second house means personal wealth is elusive and the square from mercury enhances this effect. However luck may be found in occupations that deal with water, art or beauty.

jupiter conjunct uranus in first house, you have an optimistic and cheerful drive for expansion in life. Mercury sextile jupiter and uranus, you are cheerful, optimistic, honest, and may give a gift for law or literature. Mars sextile saturn gives an ambitious working disposition, and Mars in Virgo conjunct Venus may mean a career dealing with health or sickness.

Sun and saturn in twelfth house may mean seclusion in some area of life, and with so many squares there may be some erraticness to the mind.

I think this is a bit generic and fatalistic in interpretation. Modern astrology goes beyond that to see the potential in energy.

But even on a practical level, squares do not automatically mean "bad." It's energy, and often more productive energy than say the laziness of trines. For example, Venus square Jupiter, is found in charts of successful artists. Sure it can mean overindulgence or over optimism in relation to the houses/planet expression, but it can go the other way too if directing energy toward a particular outcome (and other stabilizing aspects to ground it). In this case, Venus and Jupiter are worthy of more attention than just a cookbook definition because if its angular presence. Re the potential of energy, the same could be said of Neptune in 2nd. Nothing is set in stone. Sometimes we need a little Saturn to glue it all together, sometimes we need to lay off on it. This is how natal readings become more sophisticated than simply throwing out definitions without integrating it into the whole picture.

Its all just energy and a matter of understanding it.
 
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Loda41

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You need your fire signs (Aries. Sag) to help your moneymaking abilities but you have Neptune in 2H making you a sleepy banker and your Sun in Libra and Scorpio ASC not working well with your money planets .
 

Abby83

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You need your fire signs (Aries. Sag) to help your moneymaking abilities but you have Neptune in 2H making you a sleepy banker and your Sun in Libra and Scorpio ASC not working well with your money planets .

Hahaha Neptune sleepy banker, that's funny.

Hmmm, my husband is Aries and he makes me want to spend too much money. It is true that according to Chinese astrology, fire is my lucky element. I was best with my money when Saturn was in Leo in my 10th house trine Jupiter and Neptune. In Aries I have too many problems with opposition to my libra planets, and in sag I have squares to my Virgo planets. But yeah, leo is a fire sign, and transiting planets in that sign was very good to me. Thanks. Oh and yes, my sun in libra is a bit of a problem for me. It's just so weak!!
 

Abby83

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Returning to this thread...

I'm so happy to say that focusing on my dominant planet in my chart, Jupiter in sag, I've totally amped up my level of luck in all areas of my life. I've increased the amount of green colour in my life and this has drastically improved my business, income, peace and harmony, social life, life with children, fun, happiness, and sex life. Amazing how this works.
 
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