Lilith in the 1st house. ouch.

ashriia

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by parallel do you mean conjunct your dc? and therefore on the asc and dc axis?

and if it is conjunct your dc how does that manifest itself... does it sabotage your relationships? i am still learning about lilith in the chart but it would be interesting to know how it applies to your own experiences..
 

theV

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by parallel do you mean conjunct your dc? and therefore on the asc and dc axis?

and if it is conjunct your dc how does that manifest itself... does it sabotage your relationships? i am still learning about lilith in the chart but it would be interesting to know how it applies to your own experiences..

Yeah by parallel I mean conjunct How Lillith conjunct asc manifest ? I also heard that astrologer couldn't analyze the Lilith in the 1st H
 
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Sunny

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This subject is very interesting for me, because I'm reflecting about this position of Lilith for a while now. A very closed person to me have Lilith on the ASC in Cancer with Sun in Libra. So, I think that in your two cases it is Venus who makes you desiring the appreciation. In the case of Libra/Sun this is even for a vital importance.
What I observed for this position that is Lilith in the First, sometimes it is as like the person isn't really "at home" and often seeking for the future life she wants to live. But I have difficulties to express this, it is not so clearly shown.
The mind of this person I'm thinking about, is very quick, when she likes her task, it is always done very quickly and with enthousiasm, but as a good Cancerian she has moods which she can very good control and handle with. Very sensitiv she is by every moon change. She is also a very loving and tender person.
In her childhood she was often attacked by schoolmates and therefore didn't come really in a group, but worked good at school and even liked to go at school. Perhaps this position marks a great individuality, a sens to be alone and to have feelings not to be a strong one ? And like you, there are good abilities for writing - but is this for Lilith or for Mercury in Libra? I don't know.
 

ashriia

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This subject is very interesting for me, because I'm reflecting about this position of Lilith for a while now. A very closed person to me have Lilith on the ASC in Cancer with Sun in Libra. So, I think that in your two cases it is Venus who makes you desiring the appreciation. In the case of Libra/Sun this is even for a vital importance.
What I observed for this position that is Lilith in the First, sometimes it is as like the person isn't really "at home" and often seeking for the future life she wants to live. But I have difficulties to express this, it is not so clearly shown.
The mind of this person I'm thinking about, is very quick, when she likes her task, it is always done very quickly and with enthousiasm, but as a good Cancerian she has moods which she can very good control and handle with. Very sensitiv she is by every moon change. She is also a very loving and tender person.
In her childhood she was often attacked by schoolmates and therefore didn't come really in a group, but worked good at school and even liked to go at school. Perhaps this position marks a great individuality, a sens to be alone and to have feelings not to be a strong one ? And like you, there are good abilities for writing - but is this for Lilith or for Mercury in Libra? I don't know.

Yeah, it's really difficult to distinguish how she works in the 1st. thank you for sharing, i can relate to some of what is said here but i also have cancer in the 1st. like the person you know.

have you read this:
definitely holds much truth for me

http://www.tdjacobs.com/lilith1.html
 

Sunny

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Thank you, Ashriia, for sharing the link I didn't know! This is the highpoint, I think :

People with Lilith here need to learn to stand up for the self and believe in their rights to be autonomous, indepedent, and self-interested. Others will begin to respect this if they accept themselves as Lilith and love themselves for it.
Because, sometimes I felt that she didn't have enough a strong "I".
 

Caro

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you may wish to look at astrotheme website.

Marilyn Monroe and Prince William(england) have Lilith near their ascendant.
 

theV

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Lilith is female pluto she is the queen of the underworld and also co ruler of Scorpio. She shares a dark theme just like pluto she is turbulent I wish somebody could inform us more about this aspect
 

Skywomb

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Yeah, it's really difficult to distinguish how she works in the 1st. thank you for sharing, i can relate to some of what is said here but i also have cancer in the 1st. like the person you know.

have you read this:
definitely holds much truth for me

http://www.tdjacobs.com/lilith1.html
It's interesting and fitting in some way. I have "true" lilith at 0d capricorn (ASC 5d capricorn, so)...and the "mean" lilith is like 23d Cap.

I really don't think it speaks about something obvious. If Lilith has any meaning, it would make sense it be somewhat like pluto in that regard. Very fated simply. Something one doesn't see the pattern of so easily.
I mean look at my chart, a million things can explain me feeling distant and not fitting in at most any level with people.. My Moon, my Uranus, their aspects, and the list could go on...
 

aquarius7000

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Hi,

Firstly, there are threads on lilith on this forum you might want to 'search' up. Some astrologers don't really use asteroids, esp those relying on traditional astrology methods. Some, like Ivy Goldstein-Jacobson, have toiled over writing books on the subject concerned.

Lilith, to put this in layman's words, is like a feisty, rebellious woman, who greatly cherishes her independence. It is the emancipated female energy of our times, like the one into feminism, and fighting for the rights of the (modern) woman. To get a better grasp, it is very helpful to read into the mythology of the subject at hand. Lilith, as per medieval Jewish belief, was the first wife of Adam, and wanted to be on an 'equal' pedestal as himself. She thus became revengeful, which also accounts for the negative light that 'clouds' this cloud of dust. She was replaced by Eve.

Lilith in the house it is in usually has a 'dark and rebellious' energy about itself. Lilith first rebels and delays success in the matters of that house. If Lilith is in the first house, the individual might come across as shady and a sort of a misfit for not wanting to follow the (societal) norms, or what is generally expected of the native. Of course, please don't run back and say that you are a very popular person despite that placement. That could be the case with a nice Venus ruling the Asc or in the 1st house, as an e.g.

:)AQ7
 

theV

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Lilith also known for being the seductress maybe woman with lilith in the first has abilities to plunge and bring the darkest fantasies in man and seduce men think Marlyn Munroe Jennifer Lopez Shakira

I don't how Lilith in man first house play?
 

Puregenius

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you may wish to look at astrotheme website.

Marilyn Monroe and Prince William(england) have Lilith near their ascendant.

Caro I just wanted to thank you for your signature. Time for Change. Saturn and Uranus are both exalted in my complex chart. That kinda helped thanks. :smile:
-I know offtopic. Sorry. :bandit:
 

theV

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Caro I just wanted to thank you for your signature. Time for Change. Saturn and Uranus are both exalted in my complex chart. That kinda helped thanks. :smile:
-I know offtopic. Sorry. :bandit:
HA WE ACTUALLY SHARE SOME STUFF!!!! I am also virgo sun and Sagi moon and leo asc
 

ashriia

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I really don't think it speaks about something obvious. If Lilith has any meaning, it would make sense it be somewhat like pluto in that regard. Very fated simply. Something one doesn't see the pattern of so easily.
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interesting take on it, not sure what you mean by fated tho?

if pluto events are highly transforming and create issues with power, obsession etc. how does lilith work with fate? just interested if you have any personal theories.. would be interesting to hear.
 

Puregenius

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HA WE ACTUALLY SHARE SOME STUFF!!!! I am also virgo sun and Sagi moon and leo asc

Creepy let me share my chart. Have I met my twin???

As it pertains to Lilith, she's on my 4th house cusp and as it pertains to women...well women are the point of my chart as I understand it so why doesn't that surprise me...:annoyed:
 

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theV

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Creepy let me share my chart. Have I met my twin???

As it pertains to Lilith, she's on my 4th house cusp and as it pertains to women...well women are the point of my chart as I understand it so why doesn't that surprise me...:annoyed:

I am you from different era (1995) LOL we share some stuff

 

Skywomb

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interesting take on it, not sure what you mean by fated tho?

if pluto events are highly transforming and create issues with power, obsession etc. how does lilith work with fate? just interested if you have any personal theories.. would be interesting to hear.
No I haven't given Lilith much thought and I'm a bad astrologer in most respects.

Just cut out the word fated from what I wrote. I wrote it [fated] because Pluto as far as I'm concerned is uncontrollable...that kind of fate... Now of course it isn't completely, I'm sure Lilith wouldn't be either, but hard to figure out and maybe even Lilith then gives one, in some quite different way, a punch in the nose and then you realize and see the pattern of mistakes etc... Which, another reason I wrote fated, is because I think it's highly spiritual an experience that. How couldn't it be (well my experiences with Pluto has been quite rough, and I like it rough, so maybe not everyone would agree :wink:), it's out of ones control to some good extent. ...when and where one gets control, insight and whatnot where one hasn't had it but have been stomped in the face..guess what you might just feel like you're God. :wink:
 
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