Leo Sun Square Taurus Moon

LushBomb

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People need to understand that a chart is not one aspect be.
People do. This is posted in Aspects and Configurations specifically because I wanted to focus on and discuss this particular Aspect/Configuartion, particularly as it pertains to the signification of the parents. Otherwise I would've posted in general Natal/Read My Chart.
To see how an aspect can ber addressed is to see how the supporting players come to aide. All charts are balanced even if they do not appear to be. A Sun/Moon aspect can be a powerful aspect for good if the chart has it that way. There is no one size fits all. Some people appear pre-disposed toward only reading the difficult, while others can view both sides of an issue. Its not always or even most times a struggle of one over the other. If for example neither the Sun or the Moon in the chart have much energy, and both are neutral in friction and placed in houses which are inconsequential, what someone might be looking at as the sword of Damocles, may be only an occasional mosquito bite.
Tight Sun/Moon aspects almost always carry a lot of significance within the scope of the rest of the chart, even if they're severely debilitated and placed in weak houses that affects the quality of where and how the hard aspect expresses itself more than completely depleting the expression of the aspect. In a generalized sense, yes, aspects are modulated by planetary sign and house placements, but when you deal with the luminaries you deal with core issues. I've never seen a major aspect between Sun and Moon that was inconsequential to the native's life experience.

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I was asking for anecdotal experience from people who have lived under, have worked with, or otherwise have intimate experience with this specific configuration re: experiences of the parents, so that I could gain an understanding of the different ways it has played out in different chart configurations.

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Frisiangal

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Hi LB,
Regarding aspect configurations.
I looked up your previous posts and from your replies to posters you know your astrology. :smile:

You offered your birth chart in one of them. A natal FIXED sign Sun square Pluto made me wonder how aware are you of yourself and what motivates the direction your life takes. Moon aspects Sun.
You are slap in the middle of your Saturn return, and secondary progressed Sun will be approx. approaching or on the cusp on the 9th house.
With outer planet activity strongly affecting the natal chart, this makes me further wonder what that signifies.
Which makes me wonder even further if there is a connection between your query of your son's Sun square Moon (no data or chart given) in FIXED signs Leo and Taurus, if they aspect your own fixed square (and planets) and how this influences your role as his maternal parent, and if/how such aspects will be affected by the future prospects indicated in YOUR chart. :unsure:.
Are you actually concerned regarding possible forthcoming situations in your relationship with your son's father?

Maybe a check of aspect configurations between you and your son, your son and his father, and you and your partner, will offer insights you can work with, and upon, that provide a healthy stable relationship between you all.

My eldest daughter has the opposite to your son. A Sun in Taurus square Moon in Leo. Her parents have suns inconjunct, Moons in opposition, and Virgo Ascendants conjunct each other. Her Pisces Asc. sees our relationship as one of bickering. It doesn't see or remember the good times that our +50 year Mercury trine to each other enables us to talk about everything. We simply agree to disagree at times. :biggrin:
 

IleneK

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My eldest daughter has the opposite to your son. A Sun in Taurus square Moon in Leo. Her parents have suns inconjunct, Moons in opposition, and Virgo Ascendants conjunct each other. Her Pisces Asc. sees our relationship as one of bickering. It doesn't see or remember the good times that our +50 year Mercury trine to each other enables us to talk about everything. We simply agree to disagree at times. :biggrin:
I want to thank you so much for sharing this. As Sun in Taurus square Moon in Leo, I have also tended to see the conflict between my parents, felt sorrow about it [my Moon is in the 12th].
They both had major fire stelliums, my dad Aries Sun Merc Venus and Mars trining my mother's Leo Sun Merc Venus and Jupiter. Their moons did square. Even with their discord, and honestly it wasn't much, as I look back, I think they were love of each other's life.
 
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LushBomb

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Hi LB,
Regarding aspect configurations.
I looked up your previous posts and from your replies to posters you know your astrology. :smile:
:) Thanks for the compliment, I really enjoy reading about it, I'm glad it seems like I'm getting the knack of it. I'm still surprised when I get things right though haha
You offered your birth chart in one of them. A natal FIXED sign Sun square Pluto made me wonder how aware are you of yourself and what motivates the direction your life takes. Moon aspects Sun.
I'd say 'not very'. If there's anything I've ever envied in life, it's people who seem to just know what direction they're headed in. That said, I couldn't call it true envy, when I take stock of where I've been and where I am now, I wouldn't trade it. These days I feel like I've just buckled in for the ride
You are slap in the middle of your Saturn return, and secondary progressed Sun will be approx. approaching or on the cusp on the 9th house.
YES. I love Saturn, but yikes. I wonder if progressed Sun on the 9th is what has been propelling me back to try and work on my degree (I'd say finish, but I'm nowhere near). Equally, it's 5th from 5th and I've been heavily warring over whether to go back to school, or try for second child.
With outer planet activity strongly affecting the natal chart, this makes me further wonder what that signifies.
It feels like I've been on the cusp of something, but I don't know what that something is and I can't tell exactly how close I am to the edge of that cusp.
Which makes me wonder even further if there is a connection between your query of your son's Sun square Moon (no data or chart given) in FIXED signs Leo and Taurus, if they aspect your own fixed square (and planets) and how this influences your role as his maternal parent, and if/how such aspects will be affected by the future prospects indicated in YOUR chart. :unsure:.
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I didn't add chart details because I wanted to focus on the nature of the Sun square Moon configuration and understand how it affected the perception of the parents/their relationship--but I may post it later on, I wasn't sure if I wanted to share it publicly though.
Are you actually concerned regarding possible forthcoming situations in your relationship with your son's father?
No, I think our relationship is solid. We've been together for six years and our relationship has weathered intense external circumstances, personal growth, changes in shared life trajectories, etc. I don't think it's a fragile bond, and synastry seems to confirm. I'd like to take a second look at my husband's rectification, but maybe I'll post our synastry once I get a chance for that.

What I'm more worried about is how we are affecting our son, and specifically myself as I am the one taking care of him all day long, I don't want to inadvertently become an obstacle to his development. I certainly don't want him to have a poor perception of his childhood/how he was raised. I want to make sure I'm being proactive about nurturing him in a way that he'll receive best, and I'd like to be aware of common parental issues associated with this pattern so I can be aware of them and do my best to work through them (I'm sure they can't be avoided entirely); especially issues that could be caused on my part I'd like to be aware of them so I'm not blindly doing damage--I want to work on those areas so I can be the mother he needs, vs just acting instinctively. Of course if I have more children, which I plan to, I'll have to reevaluate how I conduct myself based on what their personal needs are--I don't think parenting is a one-size fits all sort of thing. I'd like to be aware of the potential issues in relating with his father as well, so the two of us can discuss those needs, my husband is no astrologer, but he listens to my perceptions.
Maybe a check of aspect configurations between you and your son, your son and his father, and you and your partner, will offer insights you can work with, and upon, that provide a healthy stable relationship between you all.

My eldest daughter has the opposite to your son. A Sun in Taurus square Moon in Leo. Her parents have suns inconjunct, Moons in opposition, and Virgo Ascendants conjunct each other. Her Pisces Asc. sees our relationship as one of bickering. It doesn't see or remember the good times that our +50 year Mercury trine to each other enables us to talk about everything. We simply agree to disagree at times. :biggrin:
Yes, I think you're right. I'll be taking a look at all of our synastry for sure, now.

Ah see, this is what I was hoping to find. I'm sure the intensity of these perceptions is indicated on a chart by chart basis, but I was concerned that it would reflect disconnection or discord between the child and their parents-- essentially I think what I was trying to understand was if this aspect was likely to represent a perception of the parent's relationship, or physical events regarding the parents.

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So, I suppose what I'm trying to sort out if this configuration . If Sun square Moon is going to more illustrate how he perceived mine and my husband's relationship-- we can work on communicating with each other better. Is it going to be perfect? No, but as Ilene mentions,
Even with their discord, and honestly it wasn't much, as I look back, I think they were love of each other's life.
perceptions can change with maturity and hindsight.
-- I'm sorry your parent's way of relating caused you to feel sad when growing up though, Ilene! It makes me happy to hear that when you look back now you can see their love and not just the conflict :)


And if Sun square Moon is portending real, tangible discord in my son and my relationship, I want to work on those issues consciously.

Essentially, I'm coming from the perspective that every placement/configuration has its positive and negative expression, and I want to command enough awareness of issues to ensure we're working toward positive expressions that ultimately aid the soul's development, rather than holding it back.
Of course I can't control his perceptions and I don't want to, and I can't prevent negative events from playing out along his life path, that's part of all of our development--but I can aim to help him (not to mention grow personally!) so that challenges make him, rather than break him, if that makes sense.
 
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Frisiangal

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Hi again,
Under normal situations EVERY mother wants the best for their child(ren) and for them to grow up without difficult issues of any kind. As you talk about 'soul development', wouldn't it be the experiences Spirit undergoes that strengthens one's Being as a whole? The experiences that play themselves out in one's life on planet Earth?

I think every parent can tell you that everything they thought to do right for their child(ren) was often experienced as wrong through their eyes because apart from, or as a result of the natural generation gap, they live with their own values and ideas of what is and is not right for them.

If I may add a comment in an astrological advisory capacity, it would be to understand how your FIXED sign Sun-Pluto square and Sun-Moon conjunction affects your own perspectives of life. Moon is inclined to project one's own 'inner' experiences that, through aspect, can then become 'inherent' in the Sun's manner of approaching life. Pluto will add its compelling force of nature to that combination.

By wanting to prevent your Leo-willed son, needing the physically stable, safe and secure Moon in Taurus home life, from undergoing the example effect of your own parental experiences upon you, you could sub-or unconsciously stop him from living the life as intended for him.
You have mentioned harsh aspects in the synastry between you. You can try to become aware of what they entail. People's Moon acts automatically without forethought (Mercury) towards any outer situation. Being the best mother he could wish for without recourse, being there for him when needed, may be all that is necessary of you.
Note the difference between a kiss and cuddly physical affection expression of a Taurus Moon, and a Moon in Aquarius that is more emotionally detached and may have difficulty expressing it. The child could well teach the mother a non-familiar behaviour pattern, rather than vice-versa.

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LushBomb

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Hi again,
Under normal situations EVERY mother wants the best for their child(ren) and for them to grow up without difficult issues of any kind. As you talk about 'soul development', wouldn't it be the experiences Spirit undergoes that strengthens one's Being as a whole? The experiences that play themselves out in one's life on planet Earth?
Precisely :) I tried to express toward the end that I don't want to save him these essential, character-building experiences. I want to be self aware about my role as his mother so that, his challenges themselves notwithstanding, I don't impede him further, and can help guide him towards positive expressions of the energies he'll be dealing with in this lifetime.

I'm sure you can see from my own chart how important it feels for me to nurture his freedom of action and independence, and as a person with a lot of [details removed] energy myself, I've developed an appreciation for the [details removed]. Without intense, protracted pressure we wouldn't have diamonds right?

Still they can be very trying, even debilitating, when you try to swim against their current. He'll do it at some point, maybe at many points, but when he's exhausted himself with beating his head against a brick wall and ready to try a different approach, I'd like to be able to helpful to his progress, rather than another area he feels a lack of support in.
I think every parent can tell you that everything they thought to do right for their child(ren) was often experienced as wrong through their eyes because apart from, or as a result of the natural generation gap, they live with their own values and ideas of what is and is not right for them.
Agreed, I find that the generations as defined by the outers sign changes are very literally expressed through the age groups in society. I'm at the tail end of my generation and tend to have much less in common with those that are a couple years younger than me, versus a decade older.
If I may add a comment in an astrological advisory capacity, it would be to understand how your FIXED sign Sun-Pluto square and Sun-Moon conjunction affects your own perspectives of life. Moon is inclined to project one's own 'inner' experiences that, through aspect, can then become 'inherent' in the Sun's manner of approaching life. Pluto will add its compelling force of nature to that combination.

By wanting to prevent your Leo-willed son, needing the physically stable, safe and secure Moon in Taurus home life, from undergoing the example effect of your own parental experiences upon you, you could sub-or unconsciously stop him from living the life as intended for him.
To be extra clear, I'll reiterate that this is precisely what I'm trying to avoid. I'm trying to develop an awareness of what issues he's meant to be dealing with using what energies, so that I can be helpful to his process instead of an accidental roadblock. :)

I think it's so common for parents to do this, try to save their children strife and accidentally add to their issues/work load. I only want to be able to help him unlock the most positive expressions of the energies he's called on to deal with in this life.
You have mentioned harsh aspects in the synastry between you. You can try to become aware of what they entail. People's Moon acts automatically without forethought (Mercury) towards any outer situation. Being the best mother he could wish for without recourse, being there for him when needed, may be all that is necessary of you.
That's the trick of it isnt it? And precisely what Im looking to determine- how do i be the best mother HE could wish for, and not my personal image or instinctual representation of what I think the best mother is

I hope to provide the same for all my children, which implies a continual reevaluation of what each individual will need from me most
Note the difference between a kiss and cuddly physical affection expression of a Taurus Moon, and a Moon in Aquarius that is more emotionally detached and may have difficulty expressing it. The child could well teach the mother a non-familiar behaviour pattern, rather than vice-versa.

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Thank you!! I will keep an eye on this. And thank you for all of your thoughtful comments above as well :)

On the note of affection and physical contact, I've always found that the Aquarian descriptions rang true for most people, but not for romantic interest, and now I find not for my kiddo either :) Perhaps the 4th house Jupiter squaring the stellium? Or maybe this is simply a nuance of Aquarian affection? Or perhaps it's the blendedness of the stellium energy?
I've also wondered if it was my [details removed], but I am very affectionate and touchy-feely with my husband (and romantic partners/interests in the past) and even more so my son. I worry that I smother him at times, but he does seem to like it and I let him go on his way when he wants to so I assume it's all well and good. [details removed]


Anyway! I've veered off toward synastric discussion and away from the topic of this particular configuration. I think I'll take a closer look at the synastry between all our charts and if anything, post them in the appropriate boards :)
Thanks again for your replies!
 
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wan

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I had a friend with an inversion of this aspect, she had her Sun in Taurus, and moon in Leo. But I am not sure if they were in an actual square.
 

LushBomb

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You are slap in the middle of your Saturn return, and secondary progressed Sun will be approx. approaching or on the cusp on the 9th house.
With outer planet activity strongly affecting the natal chart, this makes me further wonder what that signifies.
Which makes me wonder even further if there is a connection between your query of your son's Sun square Moon (no data or chart given) in FIXED signs Leo and Taurus, if they aspect your own fixed square (and planets) and how this influences your role as his maternal parent, and if/how such aspects will be affected by the future prospects indicated in YOUR chart. :unsure:.
Are you actually concerned regarding possible forthcoming situations in your relationship with your son's father?

Hi Frisiangal!

It's been a hot minute since I've made it onto the forum, but I wanted to give you an update since this has stuck in my head ever since you first posted it.

I think you were on to something here-- at the time of posting this question I was still very much in the mindset of trying to ignore/excuse/explain the issues prevalent in my relationship with my husband rather than look at them directly. There is so much that is right and feels perfect about our connection that I'd like to be able to move past and work through any glaring issues (because surely no relationship is truly without one or two of those, right?) so that we can continue happily along with one another. At this point, I'm not 100% this is possible either due to external circumstances and/or his willingness to listen/compromise and my willingness to compromise further or feel unheard.

I've not given up yet, not by any stretch! But we did have some completely unexpected developments crop up suddenly and seemingly out of nowhere that added to a rap sheet, per se, of emotional infractions that our relationship has endured. Sudden, unpredictable issues (hello Uranus!--I'd have to dig up our synastry chart but I seem to recall having been concerned about its placements there in the past) have been a recurring and I've noticed my detachment to them has greatly increased over the years. The only problem is that my detachment seems to be increasing across the board as a result.

Anyway! We are working on things together and not out for the count yet, I'm just not so sure about the outcome even though I can see the effort to make adjustments on both sides--I don't know if those adjustments will be too much to maintain in the long run, or something along those lines, based on our personality types etc. I'm keeping an open mind (in spite of a concerning SR year with Pluto on the DSC and both Sun and Saturn I'm the SR 7th, overlaid over natal 7th and 8th respectively) and hoping we can manage to do what we need to do to hang onto one another in a healthy way, for good.


Anyhow, probably over-explaining, but I wanted to shoot you this reply just to confirm that your intuition was not far off. While that wasn't my original (conscious) aim in this question, it seems you saw the issues in the chart from a mile away and I wanted to confirm with some feedback!
I think the notion about Pluto square Sun and some level of self-deception was also on point; in asking about this configuration I think I already knew more or less the issues that could/would be lived out between the native's parents under this aspect pattern and was just hoping I was wrong, or that there was another healthier, more desirable manifestation I hadn't conceived of that we could aim to bring about. (Still hoping we can figure that out, but at least now I've got my eyes wide open.)

Thanks for your very helpful interpretation it's been much appreciated.
 

Lin

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Hi.....First, I must admit I have not read all the previous posts so If I mention things already discussed, .....sorry.
Please let me know where I can see your chart.


It would be REALLY helpful to see your son's chart...because not all Sun square Moon aspects are the same in every chart.
NOt even all Leo square Taurus moon people will have the most challenges.

Also...it seems your REAL issues are with your husband.....who seems to be a bit addicted to work...or just feels that he must be at work all the time for some reason....like..nothing would get done right if he's not there...or if he makes extra money for overtime hours worked, he believes that every DOLLAR is more vital than the time he spends at home.

THIS issue is between YOU and HIM.....but if you need every dollar he makes, and he works all he can, then you have to accept that you can't have it BOTH ways....but again....this is a SEPARATE ISSUE from your son's Sun square Moon...because Sun square moon is a common aspect...the other aspects may bd as important or even MORE important.
LIN
 

IleneK

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Hi.....First, I must admit I have not read all the previous posts so If I mention things already discussed, .....sorry.
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...it seems your REAL issues are with your husband.....

THIS issue is between YOU and HIM.
........this is a SEPARATE ISSUE from your son's Sun square Moon...
First off, here's my main questions: If you have a Sun-Moon square in your chart, what were some of the issues that you wish your mother (or father) could've avoided as you were growing. Do you have a good relationship with one or both parents? Were there accidental miscommunications that were solved (or not!) once you got older?

Secondly, I'm wondering how I can help my son grow up under/handle this aspect pattern. Are there ways you wish you had been supported that your caretakers overlooked? Does anyone have suggestions for helping someone understand the disconnect between will and emotions that this aspect dictates? What knowledge helped you to understand and integrate this aspect into your life (or if you were consulting someone, into theirs)? Did you ever look back on the experiences that caused you to feel disconnected between will/emotions and realize that some of them were innate parts of childhood (ie; a child having to be taught how to express their emotions effectively, rather than screaming or becoming overwhelmed) or do you feel the conflicts that defined this aspect pattern for you were completely separate from the typical emotional bumps and bruises that come with growing up? Were they avoidable?

Naturally, he will have to work with his own placements to grow and develop on his life path, but I want to make sure that as I am supporting his development (or at the very least, not hindering it!), rather than becoming another facet of the obstacles he will inevitably have to face.

I've added background info below if just because when reading about Sun-Moon square parent relationships, I wouldn't say most descriptions strongly apply. We love each other deeply, and while I hope that we can change our situation so that my husband can have more time with his family each day, there's nothing I'd want to change about him personally. I know he feels the same way...
It strikes me that OP is fully cognizant that the Sun Moon square in her child's chart is significantly connected to the dynamic between the parents.
 

Lin

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Without the charts I can't answer her questions....and don't like to speculate...and would like to be seriously helpful instead of guessing.

And that means I would need to speak to her...and not just use the conversations she is having with other posters.
LIN
 

LushBomb

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Hi.....First, I must admit I have not read all the previous posts so If I mention things already discussed, .....sorry.
Please let me know where I can see your chart.


It would be REALLY helpful to see your son's chart...because not all Sun square Moon aspects are the same in every chart.
NOt even all Leo square Taurus moon people will have the most challenges.

Also...it seems your REAL issues are with your husband.....who seems to be a bit addicted to work...or just feels that he must be at work all the time for some reason....like..nothing would get done right if he's not there...or if he makes extra money for overtime hours worked, he believes that every DOLLAR is more vital than the time he spends at home.

THIS issue is between YOU and HIM.....but if you need every dollar he makes, and he works all he can, then you have to accept that you can't have it BOTH ways....but again....this is a SEPARATE ISSUE from your son's Sun square Moon...because Sun square moon is a common aspect...the other aspects may bd as important or even MORE important.
LIN
I think if you had done a little more reading you would've realized that the issues I was discussing regarding myself and my husband were held at a distance, compartmentalized from the discussion I was having regarding the effects of my son's natal chart aspects in respect to himself.

However the fact that an issue is between the parents doesn't negate its affect on a child, and in fact, I'd venture to say issues between parents tend to have an enormous effect on the psychological development of a child. The commoness of the aspect certainly doesn't exempt its having to do with native experiences of the parents, and in fact is more likely simply in synchronicity with how often early experiences can shape our innate impulses. (That's like saying that the commoness of Sun-Venus conjunctions makes them irrelevant to the romantic nature of a native.)

Sun - Moon aspects are notoriously associated with the parents and the early environment and Sun square Moon is frequently indicative of a mismatch between parental energies toward the native or an undercurrent of tension/discord between the nurturers themselves. Equally it represents discord between the individual's will and the emotional center, which can be affected by messages received (whether or not they were conscious or intentional) by either nurturer or both.
With this in mind, I was looking for some anecdotal experiences of the parents/early life from those who had the aspect, knowing full well that they would differ based on each persons' individual circumstance. I wanted this to give myself a different perspective if the many ways such an aspect can manifest to increase my potential awareness and understanding of the issues in how I may present or handle issues with my child.

My confirmation to Frisiangal above was in regard to the specific quote wherein they'd asked amidst their reading whether I was more worried about my relationship with my husband in this than our affect on our son--presumably because Sun square Moon is a frequent marker of separation or discord between the parents. While this wasn't my aim with this question--I'm perfectly suited to analyzing synastric and composite charts to that end--I did want to provide confirmation that it was a valid thing to wonder over.

I'll add that I find your advice and assessment to lack depth and compassion. You read one or two posts on a thread and without so much as having access to natal charts attempted to make a superficial psychological assessment of myself and my husband and our situation. Especially since the content of my post indicated that we're both aware of the issues between us and are actively working on them, the comments you made appeared tonedeaf and patronizing, not to mention painfully obvious. Clearly he overworks, but assessing that he does so because he doesn't value time at home is a huge leap to make for someone that has almost no knowledge of the situation or us as individuals and had nothing to with the subject of the thread.

I'm not asking for help with reading my son's chart, I intentionally chose not to post it in order to focus responses away from reading his chart in particular. I'm asking for others' anecdotal experiences either from their first hand experiences or from their practices to help diminish any personal blind spots I may have regarding my effect on him. We're in the aspect section of the forum discussing a particular configuration in isolation--that is, outside of the context of individual natal charts.

At this point I think I'll just request the thread be deleted because it's been a headache to reiterate this. Thank you for your interest in helping though, at least.
 

Lin

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I don't judge a chart....or "interpret" aspects apart from the chart itself.

If you don't want to post your son's chart you can just say so...but you can't expect to have a accurate reading and practical information without the astrologer seeing the whole chart.

And by the way, Saturn/Moon aspects are much more commonly associated with issues with parents...both between them and with the child.
Sorry if I sounded unsympathetic but I don't get personal with anyone until I actually SEE the charts of the people I am discussing.
I personally feel it is unethical to read "part" of a chart....especially where children are involved... that is the way I was taught...so I guess I can't be helpful to you.

Another thing you may or may not be aware of ...the child, from birth, is "impressed" by the tone of the entire household...so trying to compartmentalize ...or believing you can....is closing yourself off from actual legitimate astrological advice.

As i have said before...many times...coming to a forum and giving part of the information but not the most important part of it..is like going to the doctor and wanting a diagnosis ...but only telling the doctor half of the symptoms...or ...asking the doctor to treat your illness without examining you.


LIN
 

LushBomb

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I don't judge a chart....or "interpret" aspects apart from the chart itself.

If you don't want to post your son's chart you can just say so...but you can't expect to have a accurate reading and practical information without the astrologer seeing the whole chart.
If you had read the thread you would've seen that I'd said it multiple times.

We are not in the reading requests area, we are in the forum dedicated purely to discussing aspects/configurations themselves. I didn't want or ask for a reading.
And by the way, Saturn/Moon aspects are much more commonly associated with issues with parents...both between them and with the child.
Any aspects dealing with the Sun or Moon have the potential to deal with the parents, as in addition to other signfications, aspects and placements with Sun and Moon often reflect native's experience of the parents.
Sorry if I sounded unsympathetic but I don't get personal with anyone until I actually SEE the charts of the people I am discussing.
You did get personal though, you made personal assessments of why my partner does what he does. I didn't say unsympathetic, I said incompassionate--they are different. I wasn't asking for sympathy, and I merely pointing out that the way you handled information that was shared was callous and thoughtless.
I personally feel it is unethical to read "part" of a chart....especially where children are involved... that is the way I was taught...so I guess I can't be helpful to you.
Again, I'm not asking for any readings and never have. I asked for others experiences that they felt related to the Sun square Moon experience.
I do find it a little odd that you find it unethical to explore the nature of a particular configuration but had no qualms making personality assessments in the absence of a request for them and in the absence of natal charts.

Thanks for your interest in helping once again. It seems either due to miscommunication or personal preference we cannot help each other in this matter. Maybe another time.
Another thing you may or may not be aware of ...the child, from birth, is "impressed" by the tone of the entire household...so trying to compartmentalize ...or believing you can....is closing yourself off from actual legitimate astrological advice.
You've misunderstood me completely.
What I said was that the particulsr issue where I was discussing myself and my husband (to Frisiangal, specifically) was separate from the aim of this thread.
The aim of this thread, again, was to discuss Sun square Moon experiences with an eye to how others had experienced their parents in order to open my eyes to the plethora of ways this energy might be expressed. I wanted to observe any patterns and trends as well as see things from perspectives I might not be naturally inclined toward myself.
As i have said before...many times...coming to a forum and giving part of the information but not the most important part of it..is like going to the doctor and wanting a diagnosis ...but only telling the doctor half of the symptoms...or ...asking the doctor to treat your illness without examining you.


LIN
Please don't condescend or patronize, I'm trying to be polite with you. You've misunderstood the purpose of this thread; I've made no mistake in not posting a chart.

I didn't ask anyone to 'diagnose' or 'treat' anything--I did not ask for a reading nor did I ask how my son's aspect pattern would personally play out in his life. I asked for others' personal experiences.

This is the equivalent of me asking a doctor 'how did you feel when you were sick with XYZ' and then having them tell me that 'they can't treat me if I don't tell them my symptoms'.

There's an obvious disconnect there because--in keeping with your metaphor--I didn't ask for treatment nor indicate I was sick. I just asked a doctor how they felt when they were ill themselves. Thus the assumption that I need treatment is the doctor's own mistaken one.
 

Lin

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If you had read the thread you would've seen that I'd said it multiple times.

We are not in the reading requests area, we are in the forum dedicated purely to discussing aspects/configurations themselves. I didn't want or ask for a reading.

Any aspects dealing with the Sun or Moon have the potential to deal with the parents, as in addition to other signfications, aspects and placements with Sun and Moon often reflect native's experience of the parents.

You did get personal though, you made personal assessments of why my partner does what he does. I didn't say unsympathetic, I said incompassionate--they are different. I wasn't asking for sympathy, and I merely pointing out that the way you handled information that was shared was callous and thoughtless.

Again, I'm not asking for any readings and never have. I asked for others experiences that they felt related to the Sun square Moon experience.
I do find it a little odd that you find it unethical to explore the nature of a particular configuration but had no qualms making personality assessments in the absence of a request for them and in the absence of natal charts.

Thanks for your interest in helping once again. It seems either due to miscommunication or personal preference we cannot help each other in this matter. Maybe another time.

You've misunderstood me completely.
What I said was that the particulsr issue where I was discussing myself and my husband (to Frisiangal, specifically) was separate from the aim of this thread.
The aim of this thread, again, was to discuss Sun square Moon experiences with an eye to how others had experienced their parents in order to open my eyes to the plethora of ways this energy might be expressed. I wanted to observe any patterns and trends as well as see things from perspectives I might not be naturally inclined toward myself.

Please don't condescend or patronize, I'm trying to be polite with you. You've misunderstood the purpose of this thread; I've made no mistake in not posting a chart.

I didn't ask anyone to 'diagnose' or 'treat' anything--I did not ask for a reading nor did I ask how my son's aspect pattern would personally play out in his life. I asked for others' personal experiences.

This is the equivalent of me asking a doctor 'how did you feel when you were sick with XYZ' and then having them tell me that 'they can't treat me if I don't tell them my symptoms'.

There's an obvious disconnect there because--in keeping with your metaphor--I didn't ask for treatment nor indicate I was sick. I just asked a doctor how they felt when they were ill themselves. Thus the assumption that I need treatment is the doctor's own mistaken one.
YOU are absolutely right. We have a huge communication problem...plus a different definition of astrological interpretation.

Sorry I sounded "in-compassionate." Your original post sounded like an intellectual question.....I didn't "get" that you needed emotional support...

And I am sorry that I interfered with your exchanges with Frisiangal.... she's very smart and tried to answer your question as asked.
I tend to want the whole picture before I make an interpretation. It's a matter of how an astrologer uses his/her own processes.
It's how I've always worked.
So... Peace out!!
:love:
LIN
 

Frisiangal

Well-known member
And I am sorry that I interfered with your exchanges with Frisiangal.... she's very smart and tried to answer your question as asked.
I tend to want the whole picture before I make an interpretation. It's a matter of how an astrologer uses his/her own processes.
It's how I've always worked.
I just want to say that if a person asks about the freshness of an orange on the fruit stall, I don't find it necessary to go into its origin of how it got onto the stall in the first place.

It's much easier to offer answers when being able to connect the dots from 'the whole picture' a poster provides. It's hindsight interpretation posting.
I prefer to reply to a question asked without foreknowledge history, in order to test myself how astrological symbolism can work. I do look at a chart, transits and, especially, secondary progressions to it, to get 'a feel' of the WHY of the query and where its origin lies.
No one has questions when in a happy, balanced state.

As said, each astrologer uses his/her own methodology. :)
 

Lin

Well-known member
I just want to say that if a person asks about the freshness of an orange on the fruit stall, I don't find it necessary to go into its origin of how it got onto the stall in the first place.

It's much easier to offer answers when being able to connect the dots from 'the whole picture' a poster provides. It's hindsight interpretation posting.
I prefer to reply to a question asked without foreknowledge history, in order to test myself how astrological symbolism can work. I do look at a chart, transits and, especially, secondary progressions to it, to get 'a feel' of the WHY of the query and where its origin lies.
No one has questions when in a happy, balanced state.

As said, each astrologer uses his/her own methodology. :)
I think there are two problems for me with this thread....first...of course, I don't work that way. I almost never answer a vague question...especially when it's about the relationship between mother and child. My mind doesn't work that way.

But more importantly, I think, is a very old, very misunderstood issue about threads....

This OP felt that had I READ ON, I would have had more information and replied differently.

I think you know, Frisiangal, that threads are notorious for how they can GROW...morph, and even be hijacked .....

We have both seen threads go from ONE page to TWENTY or more pages in a couple of days. During that time, there can be MANY posters with different types of replies and advice. Often the original question gets lost.

I cannot possibly read all responses. But I can read the Original Question and attempt to answer it. Which is what I did here.

Sometimes I scan the replies, but sometimes I don't have time....so usually the OP understands that I am attempting to reply to the original post. And that i what I did here...as I have hundreds of times....

this OP expected me to read ALL the posts which came after her initial questions. And that is where the communication issue began.
I have apologized...and that is where I will leave it.

By the way, there are many sites on the NET where one can find an interpretation of the Sun square Moon....and the Sun in a specific sign and square the Moon in another sign. It's not a hard aspect to research ...it only takes a few minutes.

Lin
 
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