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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Phoenix Venus" data-source="post: 575146" data-attributes="member: 15317">Thanks piercethevale for doing all the work that it takes to get this thread started in spite of the injured hand. Lets take a look at the symbolic implications of the jupiter-saturn conjunction, keeping in mind the basic thoery of Dobin's:(Quoted from piercethevales previous post):"And since the Jupiter-Saturn conjunction was a twenty year occurrence, the idea developed that God passed on the message of His Divine Will at every Jupiter-Saturn conjunction."Before we crack open the symbols i'd like to point out a few things. This chart was cast using philadelphia, pa, which is the birth place of the united states. Thus it stands that this chart is to be read in regards to the effect that it has during this 20 year cycle on members of the USA.The chart has some interesting connections to USA's natal chart. The north node is within a degree of a conjunction to USA natal mercury. As the north node in transit indicates the overiding nature of the spiritual purpose of the heavens unfoldment at any given moment, this conjunction is a clear indication that a message is latent regarding citizens of the USA. Neptune is making a direct conjunction to USA's natal north node.  The charts part of fortune is within a degree conjunction to USA's part of imprisonment. And the charts IC is a bit over a degree from conjuncting USA's natal part of fortune. The sun is making a direct conjunction to USA's natal part of destiny and part of astrology.The sun in transit can be said to describe what precept is coming to light, so it can be said here that what is coming to light is in regards to the nature of the destiny of USA. All of this seems to be an indication that there is something significant to be found here. So lets take a look at some symbols. These symbols from Dane Rudhyar's "An Astrological Mandala." Again i will point out that these symbols are being used for educationall purposes.The Saturn-Jupiter conjunction takes place at 23 taurus:"A JEWELRY SHOP FILLED WITH VALUABLE GEMS.KEYNOTE: The social confirmation of natural excellence.Two elements should be distinguished in this symbolic picture: the gems that result from natural processes, often induced by extreme volcanic heat and pressure, and the finished products of refined craftsmen. Both the gems themselves and the artistry are highly prized and bring prestige to the owner of the jewels. The symbol applies to any product in which culturally acquired skill has embellished or transformed the end results of a lengthy and demanding natural process.This is the third stage of the eleventh five-fold sequence of phases. At th stage we are concerned with the social process which brings about a CERTIFICATION OF PERSONAL WORTH."So here we see that this conjunction deals with refinement of a natural process. We can look at the chart axis to see how this conjunction might fit in with Dobins theory of a message of God's Divine Will The Ascendant represents the who. AC @ 30 Leo:"AN UNSEALED LETTER.KEYNOTE: The realization by the individual that all thoughts and all messages are inevitably to be shared with all men.Coming as it does as the end of this tenth scene and linked with the last degree of the zodiacal sign, Leo, this symbol seems at first quite puzzling; when it has been thought of as an isolated symbol, its essential meaning has not been apparent. The fact that a letter is unsealed does not imply a trust that other people will not read its contents, but rather the idea that the contents are for all men to read. The letter contains a public message in the sense that when man has reached the stage of true mental repolarization and development —which we see in the very first symbol for Leo —he has actually become a participant in the One Mind of humanity. Nothing can really be hidden, except superficially and for a brief time. What any man thinks and deeply realizes becomes the property of all men. Nothing is more senseless than possessiveness in the realm of ideas. If God speaks to a man, Man hears the word. Nothing can remain permanently "sealed."As this thirtieth sequence of five symbols ends, it is made clear to us, and particularly to the inherently proud Leo type, that all that takes form within the mind of a man belongs to all men. Communication and SHARING must always prevail over the will to glorify oneself by claiming sole possession of ideas and information."Ah... so here we see that this conjunction represents a message for all men to share.... "if God speaks to man, man hears the word." ... gives some credence to this theory of Dobins, in my opinion. "Sharing must always prevail over the will to glorify oneself..."... sort of reminds me of how this 20 year cycle between sat-jup conjunctions has so prevalently revolved around the rising of the internet.... The DC, or the whom-to... @ 30 aqua:(This symbol is so long that i had to cut the majority of the text... a shame as its implications are very powerful...) "DEEPLY BOOTED IN THE PAST OF A VERY ANCIENT CULTURE, A SPIRITUAL BROTHERHOOD IN WHICH MANY INDIVIDUAL MINDS ARE MERGED INTO THE GLOWING LIGHT OF A UNANIMOUS CONSCIOUSNESS IS REVEALED TO ONE WHO HAS EMERGED SUCCESSFULLY FROM HIS METAMORPHOSIS.KEYNOTE: The ability for the person with an open mind and a deep feeling for self-transcendence to come in contact with higher forms of existence.The originally recorded Sabian symbol stated: "The field of Ardath in bloom," which referred to a scene in an occult novel by Marie Corelli centering upon ancient Babylon. The reference may well have been a "blind" inasmuch as Marc Jones has stressed his inner contact with a Brotherhood with Babylonian (or "Sabian") roots. A spiritual Brotherhood consitutes a state of "multi-unity" —i.e. a multiplicity of individuals, if one thinks of the paths they trod to reach their final metamorphosis, but a unity of consciousness and "Soul" —thus unanimity ("anima" meaning Soul). In this spiritual Whole each unit is a recognizable "form" or entity if one looks at it with the eyes of personality; but when seen through a unified spiritual vision or from a distance, the Whole appears to be one single area of radiant light. Similarly, when studied by the modern physicist, light can be apprehended either as a stream of identifiable particles (photons) or as one continuous wave. Whether it is seen as one or the other depends on the point of view.This is the last and culminating symbol of Scene Twenty-two of the cyclic ritual. This is indeed a fitting symbol, as the number 22 symbolizes all forms of mastery. At any level, it is a symbol of spiritual group fulfillment —of CONSCIOUS TOTALITY OF BEING."This symbol can be taken to describe "The Great White Lodge".. Going along with Dobins theory, and mindful of the fact that this chart axis is sensitive to the birth chart of the nation, this symbol seems to indicate that those citizens who apply themselves towards following God's divine will during this generation, will make great strides at the opportunity to find their place amongst The Great Brotherhood, to find a spiritual group fulfillment ...I will get to the MC-IC axis in the post to follow....</blockquote>

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