piercethevale
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I haven't reviewed all that Phoenix Venus and I posted in this thread back in 2014 and I may have mentioned this before...if so excuse my redundancy, but there was a lot of other significant astrological activity during the period that followed that emphasized the 16th degree of Cancer, the 8th degree of Gemini [the location of the natal, Tropical Zodiac, location of the USA"s Part of Destiny and its Part of Astrology] and matters pertaining to higher education and what the Cosmos was trying to get the society of the United States aware of as a whole...the "Sidereal Procession adjusted natal chart position of the USA's Part of Ideal Love [Asc. + - ] is as of this coming July 4th, 2018 at 15* 13' 39', and in addition, that of its Part of Faithfulness, aka the Part of Stability [Asc. + - ] will be at 15* 09' 21" and the Sidereal Procession adjusted natal I.C. which will be at 15* 07' 38" ...so perhaps you can understand my concern at present that these Sabian Symbols and the veracity of their existence and application to the Tropical Zodiac, is made well known to the American public as a whole, or as great a portion of that whole that is capably possible, by the date of this nations next birthday, Independence Day, July 4, 2018... in fact I believe it to be as imperative a thing to be fully informed of as to anything that is going on behind the scenes in Washington D.C. at present, and perhaps even more so as they can reveal all that which is going on behind the scenes at present when used as an application to a proper technique of astrological inquisition...imho, of course
The 16th of Cancer having the Sabian Symbol [ibid.]
"FIRST LEVEL: ACTIONAL. PHASE 106
CANCER 16°: A MAN STUDYING A MANDALA IN FRONT OF HIM, WITH THE HELP OF A VERY ANCIENT BOOK.
KEYNOTE: A deep concern with problems raised by the process of personality integration.
After a person decides to follow a certain course of action, accepting a new allegiance, the results of this decision at the three basic levels of human experience (actional, emotional-cultural and individual-mental) have to be stabilized and consolidated.
This is what is meant by the process of personality integration. In Asia the great symbol of this process is the Mandala; in the Christian world we find, in various forms, the symbol of the Cross. The Christian design is often simple and bare; it is its reference to the crucifixion of a God-man that personalizes or emotionalizes it. The Oriental Mandala can take an infinite variety of forms and can encompass a vast multiplicity of contents; it is psychological and cosmic. The square - the foundation of the Mandala - potentially encloses diverse contents. The Cross, on the other hand, represents conflict in action; it is a symbol of tragic overcoming. The Mandala symbolizes integration of opposing trends and multiple bipolar energies.
This is the first stage of the twenty-second five-fold sequence. It reveals a deep effort on the part of the individualized consciousness to reach a solid basis of understanding that will allow it to perceive the structural relationship of every part of the personality to every other part. It is a mental process implying study and an inward-turning of the attention, CONCENTRATION; even more it is a symbol of what might at first be called CONFORMATION — that is, a profound and stabilizing sense of form, but of one's own individual form, not an external socio-cultural pattern"
It also happens to be the location of my natal Astrological Part of Hidden Identity aka Part of Oration, and may I remind you all that Dane Rudhyar's book on the Sabian Symbols is titled "AN ASTROLOGICAL MANDALA. THE CYCLE OF TRANSFORMATIONS AND ITS 360 SYMBOLIC PHASES"
These events of significant Astrological activity include such as a Venus Neptune conj. in December of 2000, in the 5th degree of Aquarius while Jupiter was in perfect trine aspect in the 5th of Gemini,, and at the same time when the true N. Node was in the 16th degree of Cancer, also a Lilith Neptune conj. in the 7th degree of Aquarius the following January of 2001, and at the same time that the Sun and the Moon were both in the 7th degree of Aquarius in New Moon phase and the true N. Node was in the 16th degree of Cancer, the 8th degree of Gemini, Tropical Zodiac, comes up quite a bit as well and that is the natal, Tropical Zodiac, location of the natal Part of Destiny of the United States and the USA's natal Part of Astrology [Asc. + Mercury - Uranus] ...
...and note that Neptune was in the 7th of Aquarius at the time of the Jupiter Saturn conj. in May of 2000 and note that the 7th of Aquarius is the Tropical Zodiac position of the USA's natal charts' South Node of the Moon. ... it also happens to be my natal North Node, and Phoenix Venus' natal I.C. and my yogi buddy, Suryakant's, natal South Node, i.e., the fellow that had all the tools I would need so as to be able to recognize the Yeshu'a' birth chart for what it truly is. ...and it also so happens to be ex president Obama's location of his natal Part of Secret Enemies, [Note:...which I was recently informed is also known as the Hermetic Lot of Secret Enemies...but I've yet to find any irrefutable evidence that it is as such an Astrological Lot, unquestionably, of Hermetic origin and orientation] derived from the formula, Asc. +Cusp 12th House - Ruler of 12th House, and as is also Obama's natal Part of Change [Asc. + Uranus - Pluto] and was the location of Barrack Obama's and the USA's prog. natal composite charts' Desc. on November 6, 2012 when He was re-elected for a second term, It was the location of Richard Nixon's progressed natal Uranus at the time of His resignation, and the 7th degree of Leo is the location of Obama's Part of Increase and Benefits. The 7th of Leo also is ex president Clinton's location of His natal Part of Innocence, aka Part of Naivete, aka, that "traditionally" known as "the Part of Disputes" and, or, the "Part of Lawsuits" which both may be horary interpretations for the result derived from the formula, Asc. + Mercury - Mars, and which formula is the reverse as to that which is for deriving the Part of Intelligence & Wisdom, i.e. that which represents how one most wisely knows how to apply their intelligence...and so the opposite surely represents that which one just doesn't even have a clue as to anything about, i.e. the opposite of being of such an intelligence as to knowing about and understanding it and, or, as to how to apply such knowledge. ...that particularly keen intelligence as to that Sabian symbolically illustrated... wisely. Thus indicating for Bill Clinton that He can't grasp the understanding of such a precept, symbolically given by the Sabian Symbol for the 7th degree of Leo, as that being the ordained orientation of that first and all the future incarnations of the United States' 'society in common' that the core purpose of the existence of the nation being of the ability to identify and define what is, and what has always been from the beginning, a true archetypal form, the enduring true archetype as implied by the fact that the 7th of Leo and its Sabian Symbolism is that of the N. Node of the natal chart of the USA [as the North Node also always gives the symbolic answer as to what all the rest of the ephemeral astrological activity of any given moment, in truth, deposits to.*] demonstrates his being unable to understand what the true spiritual orientation of this nation is and was destined as to always be as so... [ A personal "aside" to those of whom it may be of any concern, I do persist that such orientation be that of a Christian nation...and lest my Hindu friends become upset , let us not forget that Christ and Krishna mean one and the same thing, the same entity.
One can say "a Christian Nation" or a "Krishna Nation" and be correct either way... although to those of the Bhakti Order of Yoga , they will likely state it as to be more proper to say "a nation of realized Krishna consciousness"
The enduring Archetype that is as enduring as the Stars in the night sky is that of Christ or Krishna, Jesus/Yeshu'a, Rama, the Buddha, Mohammed, Guru Nanak, et al, were but mortal men. It is believed that Yeshu'a became one with the Christ and I believe some sects of Sanatan Dharm, aka Hinduism, consider Ram to have become one in consciousness with Krishna. But it is only that form as what results from such oneness of consciousness that is the enduring archtype for all. That of the very manifestation of Christ/Krishna incarnate as its-self ..and all the preceding here within these parenthesis are but statements made imho, of course.]
... and that 7th of Aquarius, though it be the South Node of the Moon of the USA at birth and as such represents what the USA was arriving from at the time of its birth and must, by necessity, be left behind as to have been a part of its past, or prior incarnation , i.e. that of a collection of colonies... and as thus it is in a positive expression of the Sabian Symbol in regards to the USA's past and one can easily discern that it was such individuals that were the Founding Fathers of the nation...but that the symbolism can also be easily discerned to be a representation of what those that presently aspire a different destiny for the USA than that indicated in its natal chart...I am referring to those that speak of and actively seek a "New World Order" ...and Neptune poorly aspected while in that Sabian Symbols' degree of the Zodiac could be only of ill foreboding... wouldn't you say?
[and note that the Hermetic Lot of Eros of the natal chart of the USA is at 06* Aquarius 24' 52", and that, by the way, the Pentagram constructed in alignment with the M.C. of the birth chart of Yeshu'a has the 7th degree of Aquarius as one of the points of the five pointed upright Star, it being bi-quintile, i.e. 144*, in aspect to 01* Cancer... ]
[ibid.]
"SECOND LEVEL: EMOTIONAL/CULTURAL
AQUARIUS 7°: A CHILD IS SEEN BEING BORN OUT OF AN EGG.
KEYNOTE: The emergence of new mutations according to the great rhythms of the cosmos.
The ancient symbolism of the Cosmic Egg (Hiranyagharba in Sanskrit) out of which a new universe is born can be interpreted at several levels. Here we see the appearance of a new type of human being who is not born from 'Ancestors' and who therefore is free from the inertia of mankind's past. He is a new product of evolution, a mutant. He constitutes a fresh projection of the creative Spirit that emanates from the cosmic or planetary Whole, and not from any local culture and racial tradition.
This second stage symbol is in contrast with the preceding one. It can be said to announce the EMERGENCE OF GLOBAL MAN for the New Age. The power of the whole is focused within him in perfect freedom from ancient standards of value based on local conditions."
..and for review, as to where the natal North Node of the Moon is found to be in the Tropical Zodiac, i.e. the 7th degree of Leo [...and my natal S. Node, the natal N. Node of Phoenix Venus and that of Suryakant and which has shown up, so far to date, in everyones chart that has had something to do with this endeavor of rectifying Astrological techniques and understanding...{and is also presently the progressed natal Asc. of my clairvoyant friend, Clarisse...and Her progressed natal M.C. at present is the exact same Sign and degree as that of the natal, Tropical Zodiac, Asc. of the USA, i.e. the 22nd degree of Aries.} ] [ibid.]
"SECOND LEVEL: EMOTIONAL/CULTURAL
LEO 7°: THE CONSTELLATIONS OF STARS SHINE BRILLIANTLY IN THE NIGHT SKY.
KEYNOTE: The power of basic spiritual values which refer to man's common humanity and to all enduring archetypes.
The experience of the night sky with its multitude of stars, especially brilliant in all the countries from which astrology came, is just as basic and archetypal an experience as that of sunrise, full moon and seasonal changes. Every people on this Earth has developed the concept of constellations, probably because of a need to find order in existence and to personalize everything that could be given a permanent form. Such personalizations can be called 'psychic projections', but the projection concept should be worked out both ways. If man projects his basic human nature upon the star-filled night sky, is it not just as logical to say that the universe projects its own forever-evolving patterns of order upon human nature? In either case we deal with archetypal factors which endure through a long series of generations.
This second stage symbol once more stands in perfect contrast to the preceding one. The nearly unchanging patterns of star groups are opposed to the sequence of ever-changing fashions and social ideals. The Keyword here is PERMANENCE."
[*Just as the natal Part of Hyleg of ones birth chart is that Astrological Part that all the rest of ones natal Astrological Parts in fact deposit to....or one of a set, as We have discovered there is likely at least three and possibly four such "Hylegesque" type Parts to contend with and all, so far to this date and the limit of our investigation at this time, have shown to be of such an importance to be that.]
The 16th of Cancer having the Sabian Symbol [ibid.]
"FIRST LEVEL: ACTIONAL. PHASE 106
CANCER 16°: A MAN STUDYING A MANDALA IN FRONT OF HIM, WITH THE HELP OF A VERY ANCIENT BOOK.
KEYNOTE: A deep concern with problems raised by the process of personality integration.
After a person decides to follow a certain course of action, accepting a new allegiance, the results of this decision at the three basic levels of human experience (actional, emotional-cultural and individual-mental) have to be stabilized and consolidated.
This is what is meant by the process of personality integration. In Asia the great symbol of this process is the Mandala; in the Christian world we find, in various forms, the symbol of the Cross. The Christian design is often simple and bare; it is its reference to the crucifixion of a God-man that personalizes or emotionalizes it. The Oriental Mandala can take an infinite variety of forms and can encompass a vast multiplicity of contents; it is psychological and cosmic. The square - the foundation of the Mandala - potentially encloses diverse contents. The Cross, on the other hand, represents conflict in action; it is a symbol of tragic overcoming. The Mandala symbolizes integration of opposing trends and multiple bipolar energies.
This is the first stage of the twenty-second five-fold sequence. It reveals a deep effort on the part of the individualized consciousness to reach a solid basis of understanding that will allow it to perceive the structural relationship of every part of the personality to every other part. It is a mental process implying study and an inward-turning of the attention, CONCENTRATION; even more it is a symbol of what might at first be called CONFORMATION — that is, a profound and stabilizing sense of form, but of one's own individual form, not an external socio-cultural pattern"
It also happens to be the location of my natal Astrological Part of Hidden Identity aka Part of Oration, and may I remind you all that Dane Rudhyar's book on the Sabian Symbols is titled "AN ASTROLOGICAL MANDALA. THE CYCLE OF TRANSFORMATIONS AND ITS 360 SYMBOLIC PHASES"
These events of significant Astrological activity include such as a Venus Neptune conj. in December of 2000, in the 5th degree of Aquarius while Jupiter was in perfect trine aspect in the 5th of Gemini,, and at the same time when the true N. Node was in the 16th degree of Cancer, also a Lilith Neptune conj. in the 7th degree of Aquarius the following January of 2001, and at the same time that the Sun and the Moon were both in the 7th degree of Aquarius in New Moon phase and the true N. Node was in the 16th degree of Cancer, the 8th degree of Gemini, Tropical Zodiac, comes up quite a bit as well and that is the natal, Tropical Zodiac, location of the natal Part of Destiny of the United States and the USA's natal Part of Astrology [Asc. + Mercury - Uranus] ...
...and note that Neptune was in the 7th of Aquarius at the time of the Jupiter Saturn conj. in May of 2000 and note that the 7th of Aquarius is the Tropical Zodiac position of the USA's natal charts' South Node of the Moon. ... it also happens to be my natal North Node, and Phoenix Venus' natal I.C. and my yogi buddy, Suryakant's, natal South Node, i.e., the fellow that had all the tools I would need so as to be able to recognize the Yeshu'a' birth chart for what it truly is. ...and it also so happens to be ex president Obama's location of his natal Part of Secret Enemies, [Note:...which I was recently informed is also known as the Hermetic Lot of Secret Enemies...but I've yet to find any irrefutable evidence that it is as such an Astrological Lot, unquestionably, of Hermetic origin and orientation] derived from the formula, Asc. +Cusp 12th House - Ruler of 12th House, and as is also Obama's natal Part of Change [Asc. + Uranus - Pluto] and was the location of Barrack Obama's and the USA's prog. natal composite charts' Desc. on November 6, 2012 when He was re-elected for a second term, It was the location of Richard Nixon's progressed natal Uranus at the time of His resignation, and the 7th degree of Leo is the location of Obama's Part of Increase and Benefits. The 7th of Leo also is ex president Clinton's location of His natal Part of Innocence, aka Part of Naivete, aka, that "traditionally" known as "the Part of Disputes" and, or, the "Part of Lawsuits" which both may be horary interpretations for the result derived from the formula, Asc. + Mercury - Mars, and which formula is the reverse as to that which is for deriving the Part of Intelligence & Wisdom, i.e. that which represents how one most wisely knows how to apply their intelligence...and so the opposite surely represents that which one just doesn't even have a clue as to anything about, i.e. the opposite of being of such an intelligence as to knowing about and understanding it and, or, as to how to apply such knowledge. ...that particularly keen intelligence as to that Sabian symbolically illustrated... wisely. Thus indicating for Bill Clinton that He can't grasp the understanding of such a precept, symbolically given by the Sabian Symbol for the 7th degree of Leo, as that being the ordained orientation of that first and all the future incarnations of the United States' 'society in common' that the core purpose of the existence of the nation being of the ability to identify and define what is, and what has always been from the beginning, a true archetypal form, the enduring true archetype
One can say "a Christian Nation" or a "Krishna Nation" and be correct either way... although to those of the Bhakti Order of Yoga , they will likely state it as to be more proper to say "a nation of realized Krishna consciousness"
The enduring Archetype that is as enduring as the Stars in the night sky is that of Christ or Krishna, Jesus/Yeshu'a, Rama, the Buddha, Mohammed, Guru Nanak, et al, were but mortal men. It is believed that Yeshu'a became one with the Christ and I believe some sects of Sanatan Dharm, aka Hinduism, consider Ram to have become one in consciousness with Krishna. But it is only that form as what results from such oneness of consciousness that is the enduring archtype for all. That of the very manifestation of Christ/Krishna incarnate as its-self ..and all the preceding here within these parenthesis are but statements made imho, of course.]
... and that 7th of Aquarius, though it be the South Node of the Moon of the USA at birth and as such represents what the USA was arriving from at the time of its birth and must, by necessity, be left behind as to have been a part of its past, or prior incarnation , i.e. that of a collection of colonies... and as thus it is in a positive expression of the Sabian Symbol in regards to the USA's past and one can easily discern that it was such individuals that were the Founding Fathers of the nation...but that the symbolism can also be easily discerned to be a representation of what those that presently aspire a different destiny for the USA than that indicated in its natal chart...I am referring to those that speak of and actively seek a "New World Order" ...and Neptune poorly aspected while in that Sabian Symbols' degree of the Zodiac could be only of ill foreboding... wouldn't you say?
[and note that the Hermetic Lot of Eros of the natal chart of the USA is at 06* Aquarius 24' 52", and that, by the way, the Pentagram constructed in alignment with the M.C. of the birth chart of Yeshu'a has the 7th degree of Aquarius as one of the points of the five pointed upright Star, it being bi-quintile, i.e. 144*, in aspect to 01* Cancer... ]
[ibid.]
"SECOND LEVEL: EMOTIONAL/CULTURAL
AQUARIUS 7°: A CHILD IS SEEN BEING BORN OUT OF AN EGG.
KEYNOTE: The emergence of new mutations according to the great rhythms of the cosmos.
The ancient symbolism of the Cosmic Egg (Hiranyagharba in Sanskrit) out of which a new universe is born can be interpreted at several levels. Here we see the appearance of a new type of human being who is not born from 'Ancestors' and who therefore is free from the inertia of mankind's past. He is a new product of evolution, a mutant. He constitutes a fresh projection of the creative Spirit that emanates from the cosmic or planetary Whole, and not from any local culture and racial tradition.
This second stage symbol is in contrast with the preceding one. It can be said to announce the EMERGENCE OF GLOBAL MAN for the New Age. The power of the whole is focused within him in perfect freedom from ancient standards of value based on local conditions."
..and for review, as to where the natal North Node of the Moon is found to be in the Tropical Zodiac, i.e. the 7th degree of Leo [...and my natal S. Node, the natal N. Node of Phoenix Venus and that of Suryakant and which has shown up, so far to date, in everyones chart that has had something to do with this endeavor of rectifying Astrological techniques and understanding...{and is also presently the progressed natal Asc. of my clairvoyant friend, Clarisse...and Her progressed natal M.C. at present is the exact same Sign and degree as that of the natal, Tropical Zodiac, Asc. of the USA, i.e. the 22nd degree of Aries.} ] [ibid.]
"SECOND LEVEL: EMOTIONAL/CULTURAL
LEO 7°: THE CONSTELLATIONS OF STARS SHINE BRILLIANTLY IN THE NIGHT SKY.
KEYNOTE: The power of basic spiritual values which refer to man's common humanity and to all enduring archetypes.
The experience of the night sky with its multitude of stars, especially brilliant in all the countries from which astrology came, is just as basic and archetypal an experience as that of sunrise, full moon and seasonal changes. Every people on this Earth has developed the concept of constellations, probably because of a need to find order in existence and to personalize everything that could be given a permanent form. Such personalizations can be called 'psychic projections', but the projection concept should be worked out both ways. If man projects his basic human nature upon the star-filled night sky, is it not just as logical to say that the universe projects its own forever-evolving patterns of order upon human nature? In either case we deal with archetypal factors which endure through a long series of generations.
This second stage symbol once more stands in perfect contrast to the preceding one. The nearly unchanging patterns of star groups are opposed to the sequence of ever-changing fashions and social ideals. The Keyword here is PERMANENCE."
[*Just as the natal Part of Hyleg of ones birth chart is that Astrological Part that all the rest of ones natal Astrological Parts in fact deposit to....or one of a set, as We have discovered there is likely at least three and possibly four such "Hylegesque" type Parts to contend with and all, so far to this date and the limit of our investigation at this time, have shown to be of such an importance to be that.]
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