Jupiter conjunct Saturn

[AdAstra]

I remember reading somewhere (I think it was a website on Vedic astrology - but I am not sure) that Saturn annihilates, or overrides, the benefits of Jupiter when they are conjunct, either natally or during transits.

LATER EDIT: In order to avoid misunderstandings, let me put it this way:

Is Saturn (generally speaking, of course) "stronger" than Jupiter?
Does it "trump" Jupiter?


I would love to read about other people's opinions and actual experiences regarding this.

Thanks!

 

[NicholasH]

if only astrology were so cut and dry....






i know im not being helpful but to answer your question. no.

 

[gemini59]

The year Jupiter conjoined natal saturn I married however, Saturn is in the 10th house in Capricorn thus we might say Jupiter added legal benefits to the already stabilizing saturn. One way of putting it.

 

[kanshu]

I remember reading somewhere (I think it was a website on Vedic astrology - but I am not sure) that Saturn annihilates, or overrides, the benefits of Jupiter when they are conjunct, either natally or during transits.

I would love to read about other people's opinions and actual experiences regarding this.

Thanks!

I'm assuming you mean that both planets are transiting the same sign.

I went through a mixed period of blessings and restriction when both planets transited my Sun sign Gemini in 2001. What should have been a great time for me turned into a period of difficulty because the world economy shrank and 9/11 happened.

FYI, in 2001, a rare astrological period happened. Venus and Mars got tangled together in some kind of cosmic dance. (Astrologer Adrian Ross Duncan wrote an article about it in Year of the Great Romance). Let me just say, I met a woman during that time who made me experience love and suffering at the same time.

 

[AdAstra]

Thank you very much for your answers, I really appreciate it!
(I don't visit here every day that's why, I haven't replied so far.)

 

[AdAstra]

I'm assuming you mean that both planets are transiting the same sign.

Actually, I was thinking about a natal conjunction (that's why I posted it here ) - but I really don't remember whether the astrologer who wrote the statement mentioned above (about Saturn "annihilating" Jupiter). I am not even sure s/he specified it.

Could Saturn have such a globally curtailing effect on Jupiter's boons if they were natally conjunct?

 

[AdAstra]

i know im not being helpful but to answer your question. no.

Actually, it's totally helpful: after all, that was just one person's opinion (I hope), and you are presenting another opinion - just what I was looking for.
(It's also reassuring: who on Earth would want Saturn to "trump" Jupiter?! )

 

[AdAstra]

I am adding this as an afterthought, because I believe it could be significant.

I just had a look at a friend's natal chart (on Astro) and when I read through the "short report" - which lists nine of the aspects in his natal chart - I noticed that Jupiter's position is not given at all. It lists the natal position of the Sun, the ascendant, and various aspect of the Moon, Venus, Saturn - but Jupiter is not even mentioned.

I am sure many here are familiar with the kind of report I am talking about, but just in case I'll remind everyone that report never changes, so I am assuming the chosen positions/aspects are the most important ones.

If so, wouldn't that signal - by omission - the relatively lesser importance of Jupiter in a chart?

 

[astrologer50]

OK so we are talking about T Saturn to natal Jupiter. I have just had this in my 8th house --- very little happended or was noticeable. It ALL depends on how the natal jupiter is 'aspected' natallly as to whether it will trigger anything. In particular if Jupiter is badly challenged or involved in T Square for example.

Saturn is the Lord of Karma and master teacher, but really he's trying to teach us about ourselves. It wants us to be responsible, hard working, dutiful and learn our Lessons properly, so they won't have to keep being repeated. Therefore, is usually suggests things slowing down, delays, limitations and restrictions so we can learn these Lessons.

What Saturn does is 'test' what is of value to you and what is working in your life. It wants structure and hard work. If something isn't working--- it may well end--- so something better can be put in it's place.


Jolly jupiter is the planet of expansion, by sign, house position and aspect are the how, where and when things. These two planets really don't get along -- Jupiter can run off faith, beliefs and wants to expands -- saturn wants the opposite. It wants hard work, duty, responsibility, it delays, restricts and confines. This can therefore create a 'see-saw' personality where sometimes the expand, sometimes they are conservative and and don't

*Your aspirations and dreams are always tempered by realism and practical considerations. You pursue your aims in a systematic, disciplined, and thorough manner, and you are willing to take your time, advancing slowly and steadily on your way to your goal.

Sometimes you underestimate what is possible, and hold yourself back unnecessarily due to a lack of faith or an overly cautious attitude.
http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/jupitersaturnaspects.html

 

[ranjan37]

I remember reading somewhere (I think it was a website on Vedic astrology - but I am not sure) that Saturn annihilates, or overrides, the benefits of Jupiter when they are conjunct, either natally or during transits.

LATER EDIT: In order to avoid misunderstandings, let me put it this way:

Is Saturn (generally speaking, of course) "stronger" than Jupiter?
Does it "trump" Jupiter?


I would love to read about other people's opinions and actual experiences regarding this.

Thanks!

i can't say about the conjunction but i have seen a fairly low result when they are in aspect. My younger brother has a neutral saturn (in Capricon) in the third house giving its seventh aspect on an exalted jupiter (In cancer) in the ninth house. he also has sun (in aries) and moon (in taurus) both in their exalted signs in the sixth and seventh houses respectively. I think since he has a debilitated rahu (in Sagittarius) in the second house giving its fifth aspect on the sun in conjunction with mercury in the sixth house is what will bother him the whole life. As rahu's aspect on sun (one of the luminary) will form a somewhat solar eclipse over its mahadasha upto 2033 and thus hinder his growth. still looking forward to future, you never know haha

 

[JUPITERASC]

i can't say about the conjunction


but i have seen a fairly low result when they are in aspect. My younger brother has a neutral saturn (in Capricon) in the third house giving its seventh aspect on an exalted jupiter (In cancer) in the ninth house. he also has sun (in aries) and moon (in taurus) both in their exalted signs in the sixth and seventh houses respectively. I think since he has a debilitated rahu (in Sagittarius) in the second house giving its fifth aspect on the sun in conjunction with mercury in the sixth house is what will bother him the whole life. As rahu's aspect on sun (one of the luminary) will form a somewhat solar eclipse over its mahadasha upto 2033 and thus hinder his growth. still looking forward to future, you never know haha

Jupiter's alignment with Saturn occurs at intervals of just under 20 years.
The aspect is occasionally repeated due to a retrograde of one or both planets.
Each successive conjunction (not counting retrograde repeats)
occurs at a mean advance of approximately 243 degrees relative to its predecessor
although from one alignment to the next this arc can vary considerably.
Every third conjunction - once every 60 years - brings the alignment back to its starting place, plus around 9 degrees:
this 60 year cycle is termed the first order recurrence of the conjunction.
Every 40th conjunction ~ approximately once every 800 years ~
brings the alignment back to within about 1 degree of its starting place:
this approximate 800 year cycle is termed the second order recurrence
astrologically known as the Great Mutation cycle.


Jupiter and Saturn are the two most distant planets orbiting the sun that are EASILY visible
without having to resort to artificial aids such as telescopes
Jupiter and Saturn in ancient times were called the "Great Chronocrators" by astrologers of old.
For millennia, the alignment of these two planets
has been regarded as a significator of great social, economic, political historic turning points.



Jupiter-Saturn conjunctions occur in signs of the same element for a mean period of a bit less than 200 years at a stretch
typically with some overlap at the beginning and end of the cycle.
For example, the current cycle of conjunctions in the earth signs (Taurus, Virgo and Capricorn)
was initiated on January 26, 1842 and concludes on May 28, 2000.
This cycle was interrupted by the 31 December 1980 - 24 July 1981 triple conjunction in Libra.
For more on the current earth sign series
see The White House, the Great Chronocrator & Tecumseh's Curse h http://www.stariq.com/Main/Articles/P0005478.HTM
The previous Great Chronocrator cycle in the fire signs (Aries, Leo, Sagittarius)
began with the 1663 alignment and ended with the one in 1821
having been interrupted by the 1802 conjunction in Virgo.


The next cycle of Jupiter-Saturn conjunction will be in signs of the air element (Gemini, Libra and Aquarius).
It begins with the December 21, 2020 alignment and concludes with the 2199 conjunction
broken up by the 2159 conjunction in Scorpio.
Following that comes the series in water signs (Cancer, Scorpio, Pisces), from 2219 to 2378
(interrupted by the 2338 alignment in the fire sign Sagittarius).


The change of element in a GREAT CHRONOCRATOR series is known as the Trigonalis, OR GREAT MUTATION
from ancient times considered as the hallmark of epochal social and political change.
(On average, this occurs only once every couple hundred years or so.)
From this perspective, it would seem that we are now living in the twilight of an historical epoch stretching from the 1840s to 2020.


Triple conjunctions of Jupiter and Saturn are rare enough to be regarded as indicators of major cultural change, much like the Trigonalis.
There have been only two triple conjunctions in the current earth sign series, that being the 1940-41 and 1980-81 trios
~ the latter being the 'interruptor' alignment in Libra that broke the all-earth sign series begun in 1842.
There won't be another triple conjunction until the 2238-39 series in Cancer.

 

[ranjan37]

Jupiter's alignment with Saturn occurs at intervals of just under 20 years.
The aspect is occasionally repeated due to a retrograde of one or both planets.
Each successive conjunction (not counting retrograde repeats)
occurs at a mean advance of approximately 243 degrees relative to its predecessor
although from one alignment to the next this arc can vary considerably.
Every third conjunction - once every 60 years - brings the alignment back to its starting place, plus around 9 degrees:
this 60 year cycle is termed the first order recurrence of the conjunction.
Every 40th conjunction ~ approximately once every 800 years ~
brings the alignment back to within about 1 degree of its starting place:
this approximate 800 year cycle is termed the second order recurrence
astrologically known as the Great Mutation cycle.


Jupiter and Saturn are the two most distant planets orbiting the sun that are EASILY visible
without having to resort to artificial aids such as telescopes
Jupiter and Saturn in ancient times were called the "Great Chronocrators" by astrologers of old.
For millennia, the alignment of these two planets
has been regarded as a significator of great social, economic, political historic turning points.



Jupiter-Saturn conjunctions occur in signs of the same element for a mean period of a bit less than 200 years at a stretch
typically with some overlap at the beginning and end of the cycle.
For example, the current cycle of conjunctions in the earth signs (Taurus, Virgo and Capricorn)
was initiated on January 26, 1842 and concludes on May 28, 2000.
This cycle was interrupted by the 31 December 1980 - 24 July 1981 triple conjunction in Libra.
For more on the current earth sign series
see The White House, the Great Chronocrator & Tecumseh's Curse h http://www.stariq.com/Main/Articles/P0005478.HTM
The previous Great Chronocrator cycle in the fire signs (Aries, Leo, Sagittarius)
began with the 1663 alignment and ended with the one in 1821
having been interrupted by the 1802 conjunction in Virgo.


The next cycle of Jupiter-Saturn conjunction will be in signs of the air element (Gemini, Libra and Aquarius).
It begins with the December 21, 2020 alignment and concludes with the 2199 conjunction
broken up by the 2159 conjunction in Scorpio.
Following that comes the series in water signs (Cancer, Scorpio, Pisces), from 2219 to 2378
(interrupted by the 2338 alignment in the fire sign Sagittarius).


The change of element in a GREAT CHRONOCRATOR series is known as the Trigonalis, OR GREAT MUTATION
from ancient times considered as the hallmark of epochal social and political change.
(On average, this occurs only once every couple hundred years or so.)
From this perspective, it would seem that we are now living in the twilight of an historical epoch stretching from the 1840s to 2020.


Triple conjunctions of Jupiter and Saturn are rare enough to be regarded as indicators of major cultural change, much like the Trigonalis.
There have been only two triple conjunctions in the current earth sign series, that being the 1940-41 and 1980-81 trios
~ the latter being the 'interruptor' alignment in Libra that broke the all-earth sign series begun in 1842.
There won't be another triple conjunction until the 2238-39 series in Cancer.

is it true that jupiter and saturn conjunctions bring misunderstandings, bad decisions and stressfull life ?

 

[JUPITERASC]

is it true that
jupiter and saturn conjunctions bring misunderstandings, bad decisions and stressfull life ?

The short answer is
not necessarily

because

jupiter saturn conjunctions may occur in any one of twelve different signs
and so
unreliable generalisation is counter-productive



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