Stellium6th
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I always have read that it promises wealth, but other than that, what does it say about career/job? What do you think of this placement?
Unless a follower of the One-Size-Fits-All school of Unreliable AstrologyI always have read that it promises wealth,
but other than that,
what does it say about career/job?
What do you think of this placement?
Unless a follower of the One-Size-Fits-All school of Unreliable Astrology
one would require
at the very least
the sign location of natal Jupiter
as well as the sign location of natal Jupiters ruler
and
a view of the natal chart in question
because
delineation varies dependent on the individuals planetary placements
for example
Bill Gates has a 2nd house Jupiter
but
more than three hundred and fifty thousand other people were born worldwide
the same day Bill Gates was born
some in the same city
many worldwide would also have Jupiter in 2nd house
but there can be only one "Worlds richest man"
The natal chart shows that if the birth occurred just twenty or thirty seconds earlierThanks for the quote.
Well, i didn't want to turn this around me necessarily,
more about the position itself
-not much around on the internet, but I'll post it if that can help.
No, it doesn't automatically promise wealth. Depends on what house Jupiter rules, what sign Jupiter is in and what aspects Jupiter is receiving.I always have read that it promises wealth, but other than that, what does it say about career/job? What do you think of this placement?
11th house is earnings and income, 2nd house is savings and what you have at your disposal.
I'm going with the vedic meanings, i.e. 2nd for money you have and can spend, 5th and 9th for luck with money and 11th for income (aka house of gains). Additionally Jupiter for prosperity and Venus for luxury.oy vey
Regarding 2nd house:
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/temples/h2.html
Main Rulerships:
Resources, material comforts, earnings and all issues concerning wealth or of a financial nature. The manner of attaining wealth (note sign on cusp, planetary ruler and its condition). Personal goods and belongings, assets, income, gain, money lent to others, profit (or loss when afflicted), support and assistance from others. Succeedent houses generally show the resources and support given to the preceding angle, ie., the 5th will show the financial status and assistants of the father, the 8th will show the wealth of the partner and the enemy's resources and supporters, and the 11th will show the friends and supporters of whoever is in power and the profit to be made from the business.
Not quiteYour Jupiter placement is especially nice.
These are good aspectsBy Midpoint, the Jupiter is making a Grand trine with the Moon and the 6th house stellium.
[The midpoint of the Cap planets and the Moon is exactly opposed the Jupiter in the 2nd. ]
So essentially that is an Earth Grand Trine in Earth houses.
That should indicate someone who is productive, effective, a good manager, realistic and ambitious.
However, one should watch out for coming off as arrogant or egotistical.
Jupiter in the 2nd can inflate one’s ‘sense of self’ and that might need to be tamped down at times.
Stellium 6th you have the opportunity to post your VEDIC SIDEREAL chart on the Vedic forumMuchacho -
I don't know about vedic
- thanks for explaining that - are the vedic charts the same charts as western, though?
I thought they were different.
Thanks for clarifying though - I was taken aback, as you noticed.
Not quite
Reaslistically, this Jupiter is in Virgo
and therefore this Jupiter is in detriment
'....If a planet is situated in a sign which opposes its own it is said to be in detriment,
a word which literally means to be harmed or damaged.
Since a planet's own sign is regarded as its stronghold,
it follows that the furthest sign from this
should be viewed as its most vulnerable position....' http://www.skyscript.co.uk/dig4.html
These are good aspects
but realistically
this Jupiter is not only in detriment
but is also PEREGRINE
i.e.
A planet with no essential dignity is called Peregrine,
a Latin word meaning 'alien' or 'foreigner'
pereger = beyond the borders
ager = land, i.e., 'beyond one's own land'.
In old English, to 'peregrinate' means to wander far from home.
In symbolic terms, a peregrine planet describes a drifter
- someone with no title or stake in his or her environment.
It's helpful to think in terms of property
Property owners tend to view drifters with suspicion, and distrust their lack of stability.
Peregrine planets share this dubious reputation
Under normal circumstances a peregrine planet lacks the necessary strength to convey lasting benefit.
Its position of weakness can be alleviated, however,
if it is strongly dignified accidentally
or if it forms a mutual reception with a stronger planet.
Deborah Houlding
They use the sidereal zodiac, of course. Another difference is how they calculate the strength of a planet. They calculate strength of houses, too (for transits). The way they use aspects is totally different from western (both modern and traditional). Lunar mansions play a very important role (they are considered the original signs). And they make extensive use of divisional charts, of course. Another interesting feature is the yogas (combinations of planets and houses). It's a very complex and very sophisticated system that makes traditional western look like a dumbed-down version of astrology, not to mention modern western, hehe.Muchacho -
I don't know about vedic - thanks for explaining that - are the vedic charts the same charts as western, though? I thought they were different.
Thanks for clarifying though - I was taken aback, as you noticed.
You are absolutely right, that's just one of many factors that determine the strength of a planet. Aspects to other planets or a planet being retrograde or in a beneficial house can change the entire picture.So what if Jupiter is considered 'in detriment" ? Are you saying that EVERYONE born during the entire time that Jupiter transits Virgo, the entire group of them, has no benefits from their Jupiter? I would have to disagree. Hundreds of thousands of successful people were born with a Jupiter in detriment.
Will Smith, George Patton, Wim Wenders, Venus Williams,David Copperfield,Boris Becker, Willie Nelson...
It really bothers me when people try to write off huge swaths of people because of one or two 'debilitating' definitions. His Jupiter is benefitting from a strong Grand Trine. You cannot deny that beneficial planetary energy just because Jupiter spent a year moving through Virgo. Jupiter is still JUPITER , no matter what sign it is traveling through. It may be inhibited in some signs, or weakened somewhat, but it can be strengthened and buffered by other planets by aspects or associations.
They use the sidereal zodiac, of course. Another difference is how they calculate the strength of a planet. They calculate strength of houses, too (for transits). The way they use aspects is totally different from western (both modern and traditional). Lunar mansions play a very important role (they are considered the original signs). And they make extensive use of divisional charts, of course. Another interesting feature is the yogas (combinations of planets and houses). It's a very complex and very sophisticated system that makes traditional western look like a dumbed-down version of astrology, not to mention modern western, hehe.
In the vedic chart, Stellium's Jupiter is in the 2nd house in Leo and rather strong. But just looking at Jupiter for indicators of wealth is just an additional factor. The main factors that create wealth are the yogas (which may or may not involve Jupiter). Bill Gates has a lot of those yogas that bring wealth. Stellium doesn't have those yogas. But he has yogas that indicate general success and achievements.
So,So what if Jupiter is considered 'in detriment" ?
Are you saying that EVERYONE born during the entire time that Jupiter transits Virgo, the entire group of them, has no benefits from their Jupiter?
I would have to disagree.
Hundreds of thousands of successful people
were born with a Jupiter in detriment.
Will Smith, George Patton, Wim Wenders, Venus Williams,David Copperfield,Boris Becker, Willie Nelson...
Name those who are "writing off huge swathes of people"It really bothers me when people try to write off huge swaths of people because of one or two 'debilitating' definitions.
Stellium has good aspects
His Jupiter is benefitting from a strong Grand Trine.
You cannot deny that beneficial planetary energy just because Jupiter spent a year moving through Virgo.
Jupiter is still JUPITER , no matter what sign it is traveling through.
It may be inhibited in some signs, or weakened somewhat,
but it can be strengthened and buffered by other planets by aspects or associations.