1. Calculate Almuten of Ascendant
Ascendant (A) = Sagittarius 1 22"
Jupiter: 3 | Mercury: 1
2. Judge the Condition of the Almuten.
hmm, the Almuten of the Ascendant is Jupiter. Jupiter's in Gemini, in Depression, in the Term of Venus, Out of Sect, Conjunct by body to Mars which is in the Term of Venus, both are Angular
The Moon is elevated above Mercury, the Moon is Combust, the Sun is blocking her Light, Mercury in Pisces, in Depression and Fall, in the Term of Saturn, both are Angular by Sign.
So both Mercury and Jupiter dispose each other on an Angle, and are both very weak and in turn Malefic.
You must also observe that Venus is in Aquarius a Human Sign, in its own Term. Jupiter Trines Venus with Dominion given to a Malefic Jupiter, so everything Venus has to offer the Native, is ruled by a disturbed Jupiter.
What we have here is a strange mind, someone that lacks common morale, someone that lives in delusion, that's going to take his energy and thrust down others
i don't like looking at the charts of murderers
BobZemco himself was quoting those quotes posted by the OP"Oculus Taurus (Aldebaran) - to be fierce, full of courage to delight in Military affairs, unquiet, seditious, but the Moon in conjunction with it, imports a good fellow, especially in the Ascendant; but if the Lord of the Ascendant to be with the Moon in conjunction with that fixed Star, he proves a Murderer; the more probable, if he be a masculine Planet, and the Sun unfortunate: usually Saturn with Oculus Taurus, produces great afflictions, and shows a strange mind and very wicked" - it's from William Lilly's "Christian Astrology, Part 3".
However, in John Wayne Gacy's chart, neither Jupiter (Lord of Ascendant), nor Moon nor Saturn are in conjunctions with Aldebaran.
So I can't determine why BobZemco applied this interpretation to John Wayne Gacy.
How would the "other side" of John Gacy's persona be shown using this trad technique? A closer look at his life shows that he was a successful businessman, his construction company making a very good profit, and he worked tirelessly for the Jaycees, making many friends and earning a good reputation by doing so, in fact he was voted "man of the year" for his contribution. His involvement with younger children is also well known, and he dressed as "pogo the clown" and often entertained them for free! A real Jeckle and Hyde if there ever was one!
The quote is from Lilly's "Christian Astrology - Book 3" on page 51 of the pdf file from worldastrology.net. Just do a search for the words ' strange mind"
I'm sure that most of you folk will have seen this quote:
"Four Modern Astrologers said Serial Killer John Wayne Gacy: "…can be very good with kids..." "...just your presence would be beneficial to other people..." "...a fairly well-rounded personality...you can offer a good role model..." "You have an instinctive awareness and your uninhibited response to life can refresh and gladden whomever you encounter."
Traditional Astrology Says: "...shows a strange mind and very wicked."
Gacy received 12 Death and 21 Life sentences for the murder of 33 boys."
Which traditional indicators would point to "A STRANGE MIND AND VERY WICKED" ? 17 march 42 0.29 am Chicago IL
He will make the natives suffer as criminals and murderers, be defendants accused as discoverers of new crimes; or they will be torturers, executioners or informers.
Mars in the seventh house, that is, on the descendant by night or day makes for a violent death according to the nature of the signs. He indicates this evil more strongly in alien signs for then he predicts pain, lacerations of the body from a fall or death; or he has the native thrown into prison, or condemns him to deadly misfortune.
Jupiter in the seventh house, (that, is, the descendant) in a diurnal house indicates wealth and a happy old age, By night he changes drastically the house of marriage and children. For the native will lose a beloved wife and see the deaths of children. Late in life, however, he will receive an increase in income, not very large, but enough to keep him from want.
Hi CSPENCER,Yeah, spies are included as informers. Mars cannot be peregrine and an informer.
Why would you say that "Mars can not be peregrine and an informer"?
I used to think that Mercury signifies a principle of collecting information - not Mars. In this JWG chart Mars is disposed by Mercury, which is in Pisces in 3rd house. He could very well collect information in a hidden silent way about his neighbors. I think he could be an excellent informer...