According to the Gemstone File (and other sources) The Vatican had known Jesus' birthday from the very beginning, but he was an Arab and they didn't want that information out and still don't.
His birthday was, supposedly: 16 April 6 BC (-5 greg) at dawn --- Triple Aries.
You can see how most of the planets are shoved together and might create the relative alignment needed to create The Star of Bethlehem.
The Aries Rising would make some sense, too, as there is a YinYang dynamic between Aries & Scorpio -- especially Aries Rising & Scorpio Rising (and Scorpio Rising/Moon in Capricorn is apparently the combo of The AntiChrist, according to Nostradamus at least).
Yeah, I saw that youtube video too. The one by the fellow name Gino Carlo, or something as like that... kept going on about how he found "The Holy Grail of Astrology", with an affected Italian American accent while wearing something that looks like a priests frock? Did you notice the thousands of views he has and the hundred praises yet all posted on the very first day the video was posted? Do a little critical thinking here for yourself...and besides, the year 28 A.D., seriously?I learned from an astrologer that the real birth time of Jesus Christ is March 28, 28 at 5:40am. Would anyone be interested in doing a chart analysis on this?
Thanks in advance
[please attach a chart - Moderator]
Although he has a college degree or two, and is an astronomer, Molnar is obtuse as to any understanding about astrology. He and I corresponded some years ago when I produced a chart for the birth. I invited him to read my book but he wouldn't hear of it, and kept insisting that I read his instead. When I told him that a birth at any time that day wouldn't have produced such a person as Jesus/Yeshu'a of Nazareth he retorted that I knew nothing about "historiography". To be honest I had to look that up as to be sure I knew what He was referring to. Basically it is understanding the symbolic nature of any given society at some point in time historically. So I wrote back that I had the understanding of something far greater, that is the universal, and timeless, symbolism of astrology. He didn't reply after that.Turns out astronomer Michael R. Molnar came up with this exact chart years before I did.
Agreed upon by whom? I certainly don't agree, not did Edgar Cayce source [The Ascended Masters, aka The Great White Brotherhood, aka The White Lodge and the entire angelic realm and all aka those that are messengers from The Throne of Grace itself.] Frankly, David, I'm rather surprised and somewhat disappointed in you in that you still haven't come to understand and or believe in the validity of the degree symbols know as the Sabian Symbols. The chart I produced for the date Edgar gave was a complete surprise to me to find that Pluto just so happened to be in the 1st degree of Libra at that time, as it takes Pluto about 248 years to get to that degree since the last time it did so, coupled with the probability that the Sidereal and the Tropical were also aligned at that time. I never expected to find Pluto in that degree of the Zodiac on that day Edgar gave as the true birth date, all I wanted to do was see what kind of a chart was produced for that day when Pluto was on the Ascendant. That it also produced a chart with the angular House cusps in the 1st degree of all the Cardinal Signs, just as Dane Rudhyar had suspected we find, that every Astrological/Arabic Part so far derived from the chart just so happens to result with the most appropriate symbolism out of all the 360 possible for that particular area/concern/endeavor/attribute relevant to the "Prince of Peace" , e.g. the Part of Fortune in the 19th degree of Pisces, which according to Rudhyar's book on the Sabian Symbols, "An Astrological Mandala", is given as "A MASTER INSTRUCTS HIS DISCIPLE", and when you calculate the odds of just that particular chart axis coming up, with either Aries 01° or Libra °01° for the Asc. and a M.C/I.C. at a 90° angle [which I'm not sure if it is a year round thing at that degree latitude, although it might be... I've never checked that to find out] but as such it's at least 180 to 1, and a Part of Fortune that just so happens to be in the 19th of Pisces, and that's 360 to 1, add the Part of Catastrophe, another 360 to 1, add the Part of Increase and Benefits. another 360 to 1, add another dozen or so Arabic Parts we are assured of as having been correctly identified as to what they represent and that what has been derived from that chart for April 2, in the year 3 A.D. gregorian, every one of those resulted in the most appropriate symbolism out of the 360 possibilities, 360 to 1 another dozen times...and what that amounts to in odds is kind of like getting every right number on the Powerball lottery correct for a month of Sundays.I thought it was agreed upon that the Birth was in 4 B.C. or earlier.
But, 28 A.D. is out of line with known historical facts.
I thought it was agreed upon that the Birth was in 4 B.C. or earlier.
But, 28 A.D. is out of line with known historical facts.
Conventional historians? I might suppose so. Not having taken a conventional survey myself, I figure that the majority of those that consider themselves to be historians continue to support whatever lies they have been taught.[Correction]: "I thought it was [generally agreed upon by conventional historians] that the Birth was in 4 B.C. or earlier."
Although some conventional historians I've read do believe that Herod''s date of death was very likely backdated for legal reasons involving inheritance.
I'm rather stunned, as you are one of the very few that has ever come out and given support for my effort here at this forum... or at any of the many forums I've written at in the last, nearly, fourteen years. In fact other than member Phoenix Venus, I think that makes you the secondth.Wow! This is an ooold thread! I read through it from the beginning, and I'm going with ptv's choice of birth chart for Jesus. But, SO many different opinions!
I am amazed to see that even Astrotheme has actually weighed in with an alleged chart!