Is Pluto an astrological planet?

[JUPITERASC]

 

[JUPITERASC]

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a dwarf planet was noticed in 1930 by Astronomers
and only THEN
was suddenly
"....in the context of Modern Astrology...."
because of its branding as an ASTRONOMICAL planet



HOWEVER

since then
that dwarf planet has been unamasked as NOT a planet


SIMILARLY with the first four asteroids
so many more were discovered that
it was clear they were not planets

as a consequence
"...astrological information..." about them began to taper off
to where now they are basically a niche subject.
five recognized dwarf planets are
Ceres, Pluto, Eris, Makemake and Haumea.
Scientists believe there may be dozens
or even more than 100 dwarf planets awaiting discovery
prior to being noticed 1930
a without-artificial-aids-to-vision-dwarf-planet was unseen
then
was erroneously trumpeted as a planet by astronomers
and for that reason
modern astrologers erroneously

assumed that
the dwarf planet was also an astrological planet

The issue is
that a dwarf planet
noticed circa 1930
was erroneously trumpeted as being a planet
and was for that reason
erroneously deemed also an astrological planet






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[JUPITERASC]

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dwarf ASTRONOMICAL planet pluto
and the consequent debacle
caused by the demotion of pluto from ASTRONOMICAL planet status

 

[JUPITERASC]

 

[JUPITERASC]

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alternatively your "...life's work..."
explain the rationale of dwarf planet pluto

being somehow considered by a few fervent 'plutonians'
as '...an astrological planet....'
when in fact its companion dwarf planets are SOMEHOW NOT not similarly '...astrological planets...' as well

particularly since there are and as many as ten thousand other dwarf planets

Guess that means we have a lot of work to do!

There's more than sufficient work delineating with fixed stars, eclipses, PoF,
profection, firdaria, solar revolution et al
without taking on board
ten thousand dwarf planets
not to mention
more than one hundred and fifty million asteroids
and other space junk

If my MC has nothing to do with Pluto
then it falls on my fallen Mars to do something
and, at 22 degrees Taurus in the 5th sign conjunct the IC,
whatever the heck that works out to is a guaranteed mess.

Not necessarily ~ nothing is guaranteed ~ not even planetary status
the extent of the alleged '...guaranteed mess...'
is dependent on the natal condition of VENUS

TAURUS domicile ruler

and

natal condition of MOON

TAURUS exalted ruler

but that's off-topic for this thread
whose focus is
determining the '...astrological planetary status...' of dwarf planet pluto

Maybe it's time for an AI to start management of these.
Just look at Haumea, it's a freakin UFO, JA.
Don't you wanna go to space in a flying saucer?
And Eris, what an exciting planet!

I see ten thousand other twinkling mysteries my friend.

Few observe local skies seeking astrological insight ~
most are content with two-dimensional diagrams created by computer software

As for Eris, that dwarf planet is clearly an '...astrological planet....'
IF dwarf planet pluto is


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[Opal]

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alternatively your "...life's work..."
explain the rationale of dwarf planet pluto

being somehow considered by a few fervent 'plutonians'
as '...an astrological planet....'
when in fact its companion dwarf planets are SOMEHOW NOT not similarly '...astrological planets...' as well

particularly since there are and as many as ten thousand other dwarf planets
There's more than sufficient work delineating with fixed stars, eclipses, PoF,
profection, firdaria, solar revolution et al
without taking on board
ten thousand dwarf planets
not to mention
more than one hundred and fifty million asteroids
and other space junk

Not necessarily ~ nothing is guaranteed ~ not even planetary status
the extent of the alleged '...guaranteed mess...'
is dependent on the natal condition of VENUS

TAURUS domicile ruler

and

natal condition of MOON

TAURUS exalted ruler

but that's off-topic for this thread
whose focus is
determining the '...astrological planetary status...' of dwarf planet pluto


Few observe local skies seeking astrological insight ~
most are content with two-dimensional diagrams created by computer software

As for Eris, that dwarf planet is clearly an '...astrological planet....'
IF dwarf planet pluto is


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Is Dwarf politically correct, or should they find another term?

 

[JUPITERASC]

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alternatively your "...life's work..."
explain the rationale of dwarf planet pluto

being somehow considered by a few fervent 'plutonians'
as '...an astrological planet....'
when in fact its companion dwarf planets are SOMEHOW NOT not similarly '...astrological planets...' as well

particularly since there are and as many as ten thousand other dwarf planets

Guess that means we have a lot of work to do!

Is Dwarf politically correct, or should they find another term?

PLANETOID



There's more than sufficient work delineating with fixed stars, eclipses, PoF,
profection, firdaria, solar revolution et al
without taking on board
ten thousand dwarf planets
not to mention
more than one hundred and fifty million asteroids
and other space junk

If my MC has nothing to do with Pluto
then it falls on my fallen Mars to do something
and, at 22 degrees Taurus in the 5th sign conjunct the IC,
whatever the heck that works out to is a guaranteed mess.

Not necessarily ~ nothing is guaranteed ~ not even planetary status
the extent of the alleged '...guaranteed mess...'
is dependent on the natal condition of VENUS

TAURUS domicile ruler

and

natal condition of MOON

TAURUS exalted ruler

but that's off-topic for this thread
whose focus is
determining the '...astrological planetary status...' of dwarf planet pluto

Maybe it's time for an AI to start management of these.
Just look at Haumea, it's a freakin UFO, JA.
Don't you wanna go to space in a flying saucer?
And Eris, what an exciting planet!

I see ten thousand other twinkling mysteries my friend.

Few observe local skies seeking astrological insight ~
most are content with two-dimensional diagrams created by computer software

As for Eris, that dwarf planet is clearly an '...astrological planet....'
IF dwarf planet pluto is


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[piercethevale]

Pluto is a PLANET and one of profound influence, although not everyone is affected by the influences of Pluto.
Edgar Cayce said that Pluto is just coming into its own during this time and will be recognized to be the transformative influence it is in the coming near years.
It's a dual planet actually so it has a lot more physical mass than is given credit for but it's not just physical mass that exerts astrological influences.

If it doesn't "suit your needs" then ignore it. Those of us that it does influence know better than to do so.
I suggest for anyone that does want to dismiss Pluto to read my thread "The Birth Chart of Jesus?" in the degree symbols sub-forum.
I will also attest to the profound astrological influence that this Planet has had on me throughout my 68 plus years.

The Traditionalists are adamant as to dismissing all the trans-Saturnian planets... their loss.

The idea that because you can't see something with the naked eye it can't affect you is absurd. Medical science made the same mistake for centuries.

 

[piercethevale]

In addition. Edgar Cayce spoke of Pluto for a number of years before it was "officially" discovered. In those readings that he gave He called the planet by the names Vulcan and sometimes as Septimas [or maybe it was Septimus? I'm too busy to look this up at present] After Pluto was 'officially" discovered, Edgar identified Pluto as being one and the same as the two other names He had for the 9th planet in our Solar System.

As to what UB 313 is I'll leave that to everyones' own imagination. My clairvoyant friend, Clarisse, said that "it's not even natural" ... it does have extremely high metallic content in its composition... which was determined by spectro-analysis.

 

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in 2016 in icy realms of space beyond Neptune

a new dwarf planet was discovered
An international team of astronomers
spotted the tiny world using the Canada-France-Hawaii Telescope
as part of the ongoing Outer Solar System Origins Survey.

Planet RR245 is around 435 miles wide
just over 5% the width of the Earth


and has one of the largest orbits of any dwarf planet
taking an estimated 700 years to travel around the sun



There are believed to be as many as 200 dwarf planets
in the Kuiper Belt

the huge mass of comets
frozen rocks
and other objects orbiting the sun beyond Neptune.


However, only five objects

Ceres, Pluto, Haumea, Makemake, and Eris

had previously been observed well enough
to be sure they fit the classification for dwarf planet

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/12/h...=Feed:+rss/cnn_latest+(RSS:+CNN+-+Most+Recent


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[piercethevale]

I learned the other day that Uranus is visible with the naked eye.
[There's some potential for a good joke in that but I'm going to leave that alone... some one else can have at it.]


...and remember...



"WHEN NATURE WON'T, PLUTO WILL" Tm

From French Lick, Indiana
[there's gotta be a good joke in that too... but I'm not going there]

 

[JUPITERASC]

I learned the other day that Uranus is visible with the naked eye.


[There's some potential for a good joke in that
but I'm going to leave that alone... some one else can have at it.]

 

[JUPITERASC]

...and remember...



"WHEN NATURE WON'T, PLUTO WILL" Tm

From French Lick, Indiana
[there's gotta be a good joke in that too... but I'm not going there]

 

[CapAquaPis]

America's Pluto return in Jan 2024 in 27-28' Capricorn like it was on July 1776. Our country is going through a huge transformation in the first 4 years of the 2020s decade. On July 4, 1776, the Moon was in 25' Aquarius in aspect with the sun in 13' Cancer...on Jan 1, 2024, the Moon this time is in 5' Virgo in aspect with the sun in 10' Capricorn, Pluto is closer to the sun this time than in 1776 closer to the moon. A Solar-Plutonian power is unleashed 2 years from now vs. the one based on Lunar-Plutonian influences in 1776. And it's widely said the USA is "eternal" and was able to maintain its #1 powerful position vs its adversaries, rivals and competing nations in the last 245-250 years, like the USA was under an aura of esoteric special protection throughout its history.

 

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Astrology began in ancient times
when watchers of the stars noticed some VISIBLE celestial objects

that appeared to be moving more swiftly than others
against the background of 'fixed stars'
these VISIBLE more swiftly moving celestial objects

were dubbed 'the wandering stars' or 'planets'
today the seven visible planets are known as:
Sun Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn


and in fact
Dwarf planet pluto is so far distant from the Sun

that it is COMPLETELY INVISIBLE unless using powerful expensive telescopes
and

REMAINS INVISIBLE even with their assistance
unless skies are completely free of light pollution
and weather conditions are clear also



WORD ORIGIN HISTORY for 'planet'

n. late Old English planete,
from Old French planete
(Modern French planète),
from Late Latin planeta,
from Greek planetes,
from (asteres) planetai "wandering (stars),
" from planasthai "to wander," of unknown origin
possibly from PIE *pele- "flat, to spread" on notion of "spread out."


So called because they have apparent motion, unlike the "fixed" stars.



BEFORE 18 February 1930 Pluto was unknown
COMPLETELY INVISIBLE without the use of powerful telescopes.
astrology has been practised for thousands of years


and
An ancient system of dignities and debilities
in use for approximately two thousand years
BEFORE powerful telescopes
noticed dwarf planet pluto,
is finely tuned/balanced
and makes no sense if attempts are made to add dwarf planet pluto

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[piercethevale]

America's Pluto return in Jan 2024 in 27-28' Capricorn like it was on July 1776. Our country is going through a huge transformation in the first 4 years of the 2020s decade. On July 4, 1776, the Moon was in 25' Aquarius in aspect with the sun in 13' Cancer...on Jan 1, 2024, the Moon this time is in 5' Virgo in aspect with the sun in 10' Capricorn, Pluto is closer to the sun this time than in 1776 closer to the moon. A Solar-Plutonian power is unleashed 2 years from now vs. the one based on Lunar-Plutonian influences in 1776. And it's widely said the USA is "eternal" and was able to maintain its #1 powerful position vs its adversaries, rivals and competing nations in the last 245-250 years, like the USA was under an aura of esoteric special protection throughout its history.

That's some interesting stuff you've posted.
While I go by a natal chart for the USA that has the Moon in the 17th degree of Aquarius, my own natal Moon is in the 25th degree of Aquarius [and my I.C.] and my Moon's Nodes are exactly opposite those of the USA [USA N.Node in the 7th of Leo, My S. Node in the 7th of Leo] Saturn just went direct again this past Sunday, in the 7th degree of Aquarius,. The North Node had just been conjunct my natal Mars, in the 5th deg. of Gemini, up to a couple of days prior.
The Sabian Symbol for the 5th degree of Gemini, [from Dane Rudhyar's book, "An Astrological Mandala"] "GEMINI 5°: A REVOLUTIONARY MAGAZINE ASKING FOR ACTION." Dane's own Keywords for the symbolism are [ibid.] "TO REACH BEYOND ESTABLISHED FORMS." ...yeah, quite fitting a description of me in action, wouldn't you say? It's a wonder that I wasn't in D.C. too, recently... perhaps soon?

Anyways, back to what you wrote. It will be a return by Pluto to the same Sabian Symbol, but the actual conjunction will be a few years more as one must account for the Sidereal precession.
What really intrigues me is what you wrote about being under an aura of protection since it's founding.

666 is the esoteric, Gnostic, number for the Anti-Christ while 888 is the number of the Christ. 2 xs 888 = 1776, 3 xs 666 = 1998 Those two numbers are the measure in years of some kind of astrological cycles.


...geeze, I just realized I was born almost exactly 177 years after the birth of the USA... just about two months shy ... hmmmm?

 

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dwarf planet pluto is not required
for astrological delineation
- using 7 classical planets
fixed stars
eclipses
Arabic Parts aka Lots
and classical techniques suffice

IF

dwarf planet pluto 'means something'
then dwarf planet pluto should be able to describe something that the 7 classical planets do not


and
that is clearly not the case


and clearly
for thousands of years
7 classical planets
eclipses
Lots aka Arabic parts
Fixed Stars
and
classical techniques
describe any natal chart completely without any need for dwarf planetoid pluto

consider........
Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn all reflect the light from the Sun

That's of major importance when one considers Basic Horary principles

- which, for example, -

require 'collection of light' as well as 'translation of light'

which are not possible unless the heavenly bodies under consideration reflect the light of the sun

Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn are clearly seen in night skies
because they CLEARLY STRONGLY REFLECT the light of the sun
to the extent that they are clearly seen with vision unaided by artificial aids of any kind.


distant dwarf planet pluto, orbiting our Sun,
is too remote from our sun
to reflect the light of the Sun with sufficient strength
to render pluto visible from a geocentric perspective.


Moon STRONGLY reflects light of the Sun

i.e.

at night
when Sun is below the horizon and Moon is above the horizon
then Moonlight is sufficiently bright to illuminate the scene and also cast a shadow.
REMOTE DWARF PLANET PLUTO CANNOT DO THAT



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QUOTE from findings 4 May 2016 Journal of Geophysical Research – Space Physics

'....What was observed
was a much less subtle comet-like interaction
and
more a hybrid comet/planet behavior
with the solar wind being deflected abruptly
but relatively close to its upwind-facing surface.....'

and so on ad infinitum
Q.E.D.




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