Is my husband cheating on me again?
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Tora
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If you check the ephemeris, Saturn's been sitting at 17 degree for ages (slow moving planet) and Mars is fast approaching Saturn so at the time of this horary chart, Mars hasn't met Saturn yet. Mars is in rulership (11th house ruler) in 11th house. Jupiter (12th house ruler - secret) conj. Venus squaring this friendship so I don't think there is secret love happening. I don't know about divorce but because Moon is going to be in Cancer, you are feeling in control of the situation by now.
venuschild
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Again what does Lilly say about 7th house queries relating to possible adultery, about Not creating a scandal that may or may not be there?
Lilly says in Christian Astrology II, page 313
"I must challenge all sonnes of Art to be sparing in delivering judgment upon these queries, rather to be silent; for as men we may erre, and so by delivering an unlucky judgment, be authors of much mischiefe."
Now that is a profound warning to all of us Not to be less than certain!
William Lilly, Christian Astrology I, page 122
"It’s not safe to judge when the Moon is in the later degrees of a Sign, especially in Gemini, Scorpio or Capricorn; or as some say, when she is in Via Combusta, which is, when she is in the last 15 degrees of Libra, or the first fifteen degrees of Scorpio."
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25373
Dr. Farr
"(Note: following is presented only as historical information)
Al-Biruni, Ibn Ezra and others of that time (around the 10th-12th centuries AD) taught that when a planet is in the last degree (what we would now call the 29th degree) of a sign, all of its power is transferred to the next sign (and should be delineated as in the next sign for all practical purposes) However, they did NOT apply this delineative rule to planets even at 28 degrees of a sign (or other late degree) I myself do not follow this rule in delineation, but many traditionalist practitioners either follow this rule exactly, or expand this 29 degree limit to the last several degrees of a planet in a sign.
Both the above cited authors also taught that any planet is "weak" when in the first 5 degrees of a sign, so it follows that a planet at 29 degrees of a sign, having its power "transferred" into the next sign, would be as if it were posited in the first degrees of that sign, and therefore would be "weak" in its influences (according to the above authors)
Again, I myself do not follow these ideas in my delineations, but many traditionalist practitioners do so, more or less."
One may wish to reflect upon why Sue Ward is stating in regard to The Moon in Late Degrees.
http://www.horary.com/sward/Consids.html
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32292
Dr. Farr on planets at 29 degrees
Re: Late Degree Signifactors
"I have discussed my outlook on this question in other threads, but I'll say that for me the answer is no-except for certain special circumstances I consider planets in the same sign even at 29 degrees of that sign.
But what was the attitude of older authorities in this? Pretty much both Al-Biruni and certainly Ibn Ezra considered planets in the 28th degree to STILL BE in the same sign, but that at 29 degrees they regarded them (their influence) to have "all passed over" into the next sign-as if that planet were in fact in the next sign.
I have had very satisfactory delineative results (to me at least) with my attitude, that-under almost all circumstances- a planet is in its same sign even though it is in the 29th degree..."
Serena takes the opinion of Lilly in '...Is The Moon in Late degrees?..' in the following?
http://www.serenapowers.com/horary.html
The following horary course, under Where is the Moon confirms Lilly's approach
http://mithras93.tripod.com/lessons/lesson1/lesson1.html
In the 'Next to the Last Paragraph' of the following document, the horary artist confirms Lilly's opinion of the Moon in Late degrees and of Gemini as in this horary
http://www.horaryastrology.info/2010/02/considerations-before-judgment.html
See Sue Ward's Considerations of the Moon in Late Degrees confirming Lilly's rationale
http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~sueward/articles/astrologyof%20lilly.htm
See the following under Moon in Late Degree before Collection of Light, the owner evidently got this from Lilly and others Lilly studied from
http://www.kronosofia.dk/frames/side/biblioteket/horary/horary.html
Or from the following website Moon in a Late Degree
http://antiscion.blogspot.com/2011/01/horary-considerations.html
This discussion in 'Should the Moon be in Late Degrees' and about the confusion of 'Moon VOC' needs to be understood
http://starsandstones.wordpress.com/2010/02/25/void-of-course/
I don't know about some horary artists but I would hope as Lilly taught, we would try to be very accurate and have great concern for the querant or other horary artists seeking help for our own credibility and of the art!
NO, the thread is Not hijacked, or perhaps you have Never studied Lilly or the authorities that he read as Dr. Farr is citing in the two posts upon my present posting?
Again what does Lilly say about 7th house queries relating to possible adultery, about Not creating a scandal that may or may not be there?
Lilly says in Christian Astrology II, page 313
"I must challenge all sonnes of Art to be sparing in delivering judgment upon these queries, rather to be silent; for as men we may erre, and so by delivering an unlucky judgment, be authors of much mischiefe."
Now that is a profound warning to all of us Not to be less than certain!
William Lilly, Christian Astrology I, page 122
"It’s not safe to judge when the Moon is in the later degrees of a Sign, especially in Gemini, Scorpio or Capricorn; or as some say, when she is in Via Combusta, which is, when she is in the last 15 degrees of Libra, or the first fifteen degrees of Scorpio."
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25373
Dr. Farr
"(Note: following is presented only as historical information)
Al-Biruni, Ibn Ezra and others of that time (around the 10th-12th centuries AD) taught that when a planet is in the last degree (what we would now call the 29th degree) of a sign, all of its power is transferred to the next sign (and should be delineated as in the next sign for all practical purposes) However, they did NOT apply this delineative rule to planets even at 28 degrees of a sign (or other late degree) I myself do not follow this rule in delineation, but many traditionalist practitioners either follow this rule exactly, or expand this 29 degree limit to the last several degrees of a planet in a sign.
Both the above cited authors also taught that any planet is "weak" when in the first 5 degrees of a sign, so it follows that a planet at 29 degrees of a sign, having its power "transferred" into the next sign, would be as if it were posited in the first degrees of that sign, and therefore would be "weak" in its influences (according to the above authors)
Again, I myself do not follow these ideas in my delineations, but many traditionalist practitioners do so, more or less."
One may wish to reflect upon why Sue Ward is stating in regard to The Moon in Late Degrees.
http://www.horary.com/sward/Consids.html
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32292
Dr. Farr on planets at 29 degrees
Re: Late Degree Signifactors
"I have discussed my outlook on this question in other threads, but I'll say that for me the answer is no-except for certain special circumstances I consider planets in the same sign even at 29 degrees of that sign.
But what was the attitude of older authorities in this? Pretty much both Al-Biruni and certainly Ibn Ezra considered planets in the 28th degree to STILL BE in the same sign, but that at 29 degrees they regarded them (their influence) to have "all passed over" into the next sign-as if that planet were in fact in the next sign.
I have had very satisfactory delineative results (to me at least) with my attitude, that-under almost all circumstances- a planet is in its same sign even though it is in the 29th degree..."
Serena takes the opinion of Lilly in '...Is The Moon in Late degrees?..' in the following?
http://www.serenapowers.com/horary.html
The following horary course, under Where is the Moon confirms Lilly's approach
http://mithras93.tripod.com/lessons/lesson1/lesson1.html
In the 'Next to the Last Paragraph' of the following document, the horary artist confirms Lilly's opinion of the Moon in Late degrees and of Gemini as in this horary
http://www.horaryastrology.info/2010/02/considerations-before-judgment.html
See Sue Ward's Considerations of the Moon in Late Degrees confirming Lilly's rationale
http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~sueward/articles/astrologyof%20lilly.htm
See the following under Moon in Late Degree before Collection of Light, the owner evidently got this from Lilly and others Lilly studied from
http://www.kronosofia.dk/frames/side/biblioteket/horary/horary.html
Or from the following website Moon in a Late Degree
http://antiscion.blogspot.com/2011/01/horary-considerations.html
This discussion in 'Should the Moon be in Late Degrees' and about the confusion of 'Moon VOC' needs to be understood
http://starsandstones.wordpress.com/2010/02/25/void-of-course/
I don't know about some horary artists but I would hope as Lilly taught, we would try to be very accurate and have great concern for the querant or other horary artists seeking help for our own credibility and of the art!
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venuschild
Banned
When I see a query where the OP posts a little about the delineation of the horary I try to assume the OP is an actual artist. But many times there is 'tom-fool-ary' going down and a few fake it.
And with the Moon in the 12th(hospitals, sorrow, incarceration, seclusion, secret enemies), we have not heard from the Op as of yet; and I really have bad experiences with nativities who are Cancer Asc., and Moon in Gemini!
And I love for the OPs to participate regardless of whether the querant be an artist or not. Not into free lunches unless I feel very compassionate as Lilly taught.
But there is something so obvious about this horary that everyone seems to have missed, as I've been playing many of you by Not mentioning it til now. My professors at the university did this constantly to see if the class were paying attention, who knew the material of the assignment; very worthy teaching technique!
http://www.astro.com/tmpd/cqpmfileu9iBzE-u1409345191/astro_2gw_01_adultery_hr.74865.34659.pdf
Since the artist or querant Did Not post these tables of the planet's speeds, has anyone noted that only the sun can never be read as Rx in horary?
And as Lilly and Bonatti would say, '..praise the Lord the OP listed the place, with Lat. & Long. coordinates because one can't get these generally without them to calculate the planets individual speeds..'!
And what is Rectrograde here that novice, and most Intermediate artists will miss, and a few well respected forum members obviously have failed to see it as well?
And we have already seen from this thread many devout horary artists have learned a few things about what is and is not VOC in a planet!
You ask, "Is that photo of the Moon symbolic of Moon in the 12th or 7th?"
And with the Moon in the 12th(hospitals, sorrow, incarceration, seclusion, secret enemies), we have not heard from the Op as of yet; and I really have bad experiences with nativities who are Cancer Asc., and Moon in Gemini!
And I love for the OPs to participate regardless of whether the querant be an artist or not. Not into free lunches unless I feel very compassionate as Lilly taught.
But there is something so obvious about this horary that everyone seems to have missed, as I've been playing many of you by Not mentioning it til now. My professors at the university did this constantly to see if the class were paying attention, who knew the material of the assignment; very worthy teaching technique!
http://www.astro.com/tmpd/cqpmfileu9iBzE-u1409345191/astro_2gw_01_adultery_hr.74865.34659.pdf
Since the artist or querant Did Not post these tables of the planet's speeds, has anyone noted that only the sun can never be read as Rx in horary?
And as Lilly and Bonatti would say, '..praise the Lord the OP listed the place, with Lat. & Long. coordinates because one can't get these generally without them to calculate the planets individual speeds..'!
And what is Rectrograde here that novice, and most Intermediate artists will miss, and a few well respected forum members obviously have failed to see it as well?
And we have already seen from this thread many devout horary artists have learned a few things about what is and is not VOC in a planet!
You ask, "Is that photo of the Moon symbolic of Moon in the 12th or 7th?"
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Nahtaivel616
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Sorry I haven't replied in so long. My mother-in-law's apartment got robbed, so we've been helping her with the move. Marinka and Kaiousei, y'all pretty much hit the nail on the head. Venus Child, you have been very resourceful also.
venuschild
Banned
Many of you have missed something so important here; I was wondering why no one sees it.
The Moon is SLOW meaning she is read as Rx, RECTROGRADE. She is both significators, of the querant and the quesited.
Has no one a clue how or why Rx significators are in harms way?
You guys need to google up Moon Rectrograde for your advice is VERY WRONG...you will See!
The Moon is SLOW meaning she is read as Rx, RECTROGRADE. She is both significators, of the querant and the quesited.
Has no one a clue how or why Rx significators are in harms way?
You guys need to google up Moon Rectrograde for your advice is VERY WRONG...you will See!
Nahtaivel616
New member
I didn't even notice that. I will definitely Google that.
venuschild
Banned
chart.
This is what you and others are missing upon this query which is why Lilly Warned us about these types of quesiteds!
Lilly says in Christian Astrology II, page 313
"I must challenge all sonnes of Art to be sparing in delivering judgment upon these queries, rather to be silent; for as men we may erre, and so by delivering an unlucky judgment, be authors of much mischiefe."
Sounds like Lilly cared enough to caution or warn us about this one!
Evidently few have read Lilly or they forgot a few points.
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/texts.html
http://mithras93.tripod.com/books/books.html
Lilly, CAI, page 122
"It’s not safe to judge when the Moon is in the later degrees of a Sign, especially in Gemini, Scorpio or Capricorn; or as some say, when she is in Via Combusta, which is, when she is in the last 15 degrees of Libra, or the first fifteen degrees of Scorpio."
What about the Lord of the hour?
Lilly, CAI, page 121
"CONSIDERATIONS before Judgment.
All the Ancients that have wrote of questions, doe give warning to the Astrologer, that before he deliver judgment he well consider whether the Figure is radicall and capable of judgment; the Question then shall be taken for radicall, or fit to be judged, when as the Lord of the hour at the time of proposing the Question, and erecting the Figure, and the Lord of the Ascendant or first House, are of one Triplicity, or be one, or of the same nature."
Is this a problem as we are your consultants, and is it why some have missed this horary?
Lilly, CAI, page 122
"You must also be wary, when in any question propounded you find the Cusp of the seventh house afflicted, or the Lord of that house Retrograde, or impedited, and the matter at that time not concerning the seventh house, but belonging to any other house, it’s an argument the judgment of the Astrologer’s will give small content, or any thing please the Querent; for the seventh house generally hath signification of the Artist."
And the Moon in this query, is she Not yelling at the artist of why this horary is dangerous to answer?
Lilly, CAII, page 298
"5. Have speciall regard to the strength and debility of the Moon, and it’s farre better the Lord of the Ascendant be unfortunate then she, for she brings unto us the strength and vertue of all the other Planets, and of one Planet to another."
And look at the consultants, those who have participated are represented by the 7th! Venus is squaring both Mars and Saturn(Lord of the 7th/your consultancy)!
"6. Behold the condition of Saturn in every Question, he is naturally ill by his excesse of cold; Mars is of ill influence, because of his too much heat: in very truth, neither of them is cold or dry, but signifie so much in their vertue and operation, and therefore in all Questions they shew tardity and detriment in the Question, unlesse the Moon and they receive each other in the Signification."
Since the Moon is very slow in this query, she is read as rectrograde as Lilly warns about Rx significators, in this case both the asc lor and the quesited; it really hits home!
Lilly, CAII, page 299
"13. A Retrograde Planet, or one in his first station, Significator in Question, denotes ill in the Question, discord and much contradiction."
And the Moon is very slow, Lilly taught '...she is interpreted as Rx..', yet in her Essential Essential Dignity.
"15. A Planet that is slow in motion, prolongs the thing quesited after, so that it’s hardly performed; the nature of the Signe wherein the Planet is, doth herein much advantage the judgment."
One artist whom gave insights didn't verbally in print say why they didn't continue upon this thread and they are noted to have great respect upon this forum, but I'd wager it has to do with these factors. Should this query be answered according to horary mentors of the past?
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