Is monkeypox real?

Bunraku

Bunraku

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I have been reading from several credible news sources that say that this is a government hoax meant to put the world in another lockdown, or something engineered by scientists to do so. What is the truth??
 
Oddity

Oddity

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Venus in 6 ruling 6, moon ruling 8, separating from Jupiter and going to oppose Mars. NN painfully close to the ascendant.

Horary says 'yes'.
 
waybread

waybread

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Of course, it's real. Please read actual credible news sources. Monekypox has been reported across multiple countries and health organizations, some of whom are not friendly to one another; and not just by the particular government that you love to hate.

www.ctvnews.ca

All the countries that have reported monkeypox cases so far

There have been more than 1,000 monkeypox cases reported to the World Health Organization in the current outbreak outside the countries in Africa where it more commonly spreads.
www.ctvnews.ca www.ctvnews.ca

Horary is worthless for mundane questions that are asked by multiple astrologers all around the world at multiple times. There is no "moment of astrology" when you have no specific moment. The 12th house would rule lies and deception, not the benefics Venus and Jupiter.
 
Oddity

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A domiciled planet, benefic or malefic, in and ruling 6 or 8 does not bode well for health. Ditto with a domiciled or exalted planet that rules and sees 6 or 8. It strengthens the house.

I take it you don't believe 'is the rumour true' charts are valid?
 
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david starling

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The concern is the way Monkey Pox is being publicized as a sort of "be afraid be very afraid" adjunct to the Corona pandemic, which is now in the same endemic category as the seasonal flu in terms of hospitalizations and fatalities.

In terms of the number of cases, Monkey Pox is hardly a blip on the world health radar, so why so much hype about it?
 
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david starling

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Oddity said:
To scare us, of course. Though I note that the CDC deleted its tweet that we should be wearing masks.
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Yes, it's spread by close physical contact, not by air.

But, now for the really scary news: California has the most cases of Monkey Pox in the entire country!:eek:

SIX CASES!!! Out of a population of 40 million!!!
 
waybread

waybread

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Oddity said:
A domiciled planet, benefic or malefic, in and ruling 6 or 8 does not bode well for health. Ditto with a domiciled or exalted planet that rules and sees 6 or 8. It strengthens the house.

I take it you don't believe 'is the rumour true' charts are valid?
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Oddity, Lilly did a certain amount of work on "whether the rumour be true" stuff, but you have a real problem. Horary depends upon the moment of the question. If multiple people ask essentially the same question but at different times, you essentially turn horary into a tossed salad of times. They will give different answers. Moreover, Bunraku asked whether this is a *government hoax*-- meaning bad intent or acting in bad faith. For this you'd have to think of a more mundane horary, putting the party in power as a 10th house matter. Deception is more of a 12th house matter. Information would be a third house matter.

Medical horary is a whole other subdivision. Is this one you've studied?

Will the real horary question please stand up?

Frankly I've had it to here with rightwingers dismissing actual epidemiology, internal medicine, and medical records because they love that little frisson of claiming another government hoax as they hold themselves to be the real cognoscenti. Oh, and let's throw in the usual condemnation of the NWO, MSM, the NIH, CDC, threats to free speech, and liberal political leaders while we're at it. Let's all join hands, and make believe that all around the globe, medical professionals--with no central organization-- are somehow synchronously and spontaneously lying their heads off.

Too bad for the sickies who didn't get that their illness is merely a government hoax.

Bunraku: what exactly are your "credible sources"?
 
waybread

waybread

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David, it's not the number of cases reported at the beginning of an outbreak. It's the trajectory. How contagious is an illness and how fast does it spread? Do doctors have the ready means to treat it? Moreover, any new contagious disease today is not a stand-alone problem. It's coming at a time when new Covid variants are still emerging and Covid is not entirely under control.

However, monkey pox is rarely deadly, and there is a vaccine for it. Now, how's that for a government hoax?

From the Mayo Clinic: https://www.mayoclinichealthsystem....d-topic/what-you-need-to-know-about-monkeypox
 
Oddity

Oddity

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I take the headline 'Is monkeypox real?' to be the question. Of course knowing Bunbun it could be a troll :D

But it's a valid question. Is there going to be plague in my country? This isn't the same as who will win the election? Plague or in our rather unique case, government over-reaction to a disease is going to affect just about all of us. Ergo, anybody gets to ask.

Yes, I'm quite familiar with medical horary. Also, not a right-wing extremist.

FYI, there's no indication of plague in the Aries ingress. There is, however, a lot of excess death.
waybread said:
Oddity, Lilly did a certain amount of work on "whether the rumour be true" stuff, but you have a real problem. Horary depends upon the moment of the question. If multiple people ask essentially the same question but at different times, you essentially turn horary into a tossed salad of times. They will give different answers. Moreover, Bunraku asked whether this is a *government hoax*-- meaning bad intent or acting in bad faith. For this you'd have to think of a more mundane horary, putting the party in power as a 10th house matter. Deception is more of a 12th house matter. Information would be a third house matter.

Medical horary is a whole other subdivision. Is this one you've studied?

Will the real horary question please stand up?

Frankly I've had it to here with rightwingers dismissing actual epidemiology, internal medicine, and medical records because they love that little frisson of claiming another government hoax as they hold themselves to be the real cognoscenti. Oh, and let's throw in the usual condemnation of the NWO, MSM, the NIH, CDC, threats to free speech, and liberal political leaders while we're at it. Let's all join hands, and make believe that all around the globe, medical professionals--with no central organization-- are somehow synchronously and spontaneously lying their heads off.

Too bad for the sickies who didn't get that their illness is merely a government hoax.

Bunraku: what exactly are your "credible sources"?
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david starling

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The Mayo Clinic says Monkey Pox isn't a real threat to public health. We have enough real health threats, but they're not contagions with any reasonable need for government intervention, like there was for Alpha and Delta Covid-19.

The last real pandemic prior to Covid was over a 100 years ago, and this one is rapidly fading. Time to focus on cures for cancer, heart disease, and diabetes, not worry about Monkey Pox.

The fear is that governments are too eager to try to control our lives using public health as an excuse, and the mass media is too willing to go along with it. There's a sense of "what will they try to frighten us with next?"

And, we know that governments are capable of concocting dangerous viruses in biological warfare labs. The paranoia isn't entirely unreasonable. The WHO has come right out and said that another pandemic is "inevitable" and that we "must be prepared for it". NO IT'S NOT, AND THERE'S NO SCIENTIFIC REASON TO CLAIM IT IS, you power-hungry jerkwads. :mad:
 
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david starling

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The reason Monkey Pox isn't a real threat is that the Winged Monkeys spreading it are too few in number to make much much of an impact. But, "the sky is falling" media is taking advantage of the opportunity to encourage everyone to be very afraid, and to allow governments to violate their civil liberties.
 
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