Is George Clooney a closeted gay?

[C0rnholio]

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I just read some news about George Clooney and his private life:

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/SHOWBIZ/01/20/clooney.piers.morgan/index.html?hpt=C2

He says he was married 18 years ago and does not want to marry anymore. But he is gamn good-looking, so I am curious why such strong judgments. I looked up his chart:

http://www.astrotheme.com/portraits/t77BtHDc6bV5.htm

The ruler of his DC is combust, but there are tons of people with this, so probably not just that. Then it struck me that his moon is very weak. It is in detriment, conjunct Saturn, squares Neptune, opposes Mars and Lilith. It is also conjunct Jupiter. How does he get off? Just through acting alone??? Not likely, me thinks.

Does he have addictions? He thinks he may develop them:
http://www.google.com/search?q=George+Clooney+addiction

Is he gay? There are rumors:
http://www.google.com/search?q=George+Clooney+gay

What do you guys think?

 

[C0rnholio]

I think there is also a square between his Mars/Lilith and Neptune. His Neptune is in the 8th house. He *IS* gay. He is addicted to and gets off on gay sex!

He has a Fixed Grand Cross. All his personal planets are involved in it, plus Neptune.

He is acting straight though because it is a responsible thing to do (Moon conjunct Saturn). And because more acting (or pretending being not who he really is, a Neptunian thing) additionally satisfies the addictions of his Moon, Sun and Mars. Nice.

 

[C0rnholio]

His Venus is not a factor at all, ruled by Mars.

Neptune in Scorpio in the 8th house is his chart ruler. Squaring Mars. Tell me *why he would be not gay*.

 

[C0rnholio]

I have nothing against gay people. Just curious about the private life of this guy. Hope this is understood, I feel like I need to add a disclaimer. For educational purposes only.

 

[Pallas-trine-Mars]

I think speculation's a lil rude and as for gay, how would you know, fella who thinks Clooney is hot? lol

His Moon's not totally weak as exaltation on his sun and in sect (is waning though, unfortunately).

I don't know, maybe? Some very interesting things in his chart as far as relationships: Jupiter inconjunct Pluto, Pluto opposing the ascendant, Sun smack in the middle of Taurus, ascending sign's ruler in Scorpio (in a very long standing sextile with Pluto), Mars and Pluto making bad aspects to Chiron and Saturn, Venus rising in the first and it's probably her or Ceres's conjunction with Vesta in Aries that stirs up the sexual identity controversy.

But really, we've all been there at some point. Doesn't feel good to have people making assumptions about you behind your back. As long as he's with consenting partners it's none of my business and I don't care unless he wants to announce whatever to us.

 

[byjove]

He's burnt from marriage, so the first idea is gay? What?

 

[C0rnholio]

PTM - The only Clooney's job on this forum is to serve as an exhibit. We should be free to speculate whatever we want about him, this is the idea of this celebrity forum, the way I understand it.

He's burnt from marriage, so the first idea is gay? What?

Not like that. He's burnt from marriage that was 18 years ago, so the first idea is to look at his chart. The Moon conjunct Saturn gives the second idea.

Then come a dozen more ideas that confirm the second idea...

Well... an unusual sexuality happens more often when Saturn is weak, but his is strong. This is the first counter-argument that I have come up with. But maybe a strong Saturn is what keeps him closeted.

Venus in Aries in 1st, Mars in Leo in 5th, and Neptune in Scorpio in 5th definitely mean an active, abundant and steady sex life that is very important to the individual. But he seems to be keeping his relationships short-term and low-profile. I would think a guy like this would either be married to a supermodel, or have a new model or some sex symbol (not necessarily a pornstar) on his arm every week.

Yesterday I watched a preview of his movie "The American". His female co-star said with a thick accent: "You are a good mAAn but you have a secRRRet".

 

[Vista]

"Making assumptions behind his back." Come on now that's such a ridiculous statement. I am pretty sure that George Clooney doesn't know Cornholia or about this website and will not hurt by this thread. And making the assumption that he is gay because he is burned out by marriage, obviously that is not what he said was it? He has clearly written from an astrological perspective why he thinks this is might be so. What's more countless members have written about celebrity's on this website, are they all "making assumptions behind their back too?" Cornholia is not condemning him for whatever his preferences are, he is just curious about the guy from an astrological perspective. Quite honestly, I think there are a couple of other celebrities that are more likely "closet gays" than him, seriously... I really like the guy and have never heard of any rumors about his sexuality and I don't particularly care either because he is still very talented. And yes I think whether you are a man or woman you can't help to think he is "hot." LOL!

From an astrological perspective, are you saying specially because Neptune is the chart ruler and is in the 8th house of sex square Mars that he could be gay? I have wondered about this myself as I dated someone with this exact configuration, however Mars was in the 12th house to me being even more indication. Now usually I interpret Mars in hard aspect to Neptune as more of sexual intrigues, potential for sexually transmitted disease, and addiction problems. Not saying everyone with this aspect will develop any of this, just saying. The guy I dated also had Moon in the 12th house as well. Other that that he has mostly positive aspects except Mars inconjunct Uranus and Pluto in the 7th(if you count this aspect).

 

[waybread]

COrnhollo, I think posts like yours give astrology a bad name. Is the implication that being gay is a problem? is this your idea of a giggle? Would you look at a chart to see if someone were straight? Is dishing the dirt about a celebrity the best we can do with this wonderful art that is astrology? Why not just stick to the National Inquirer if that is the level at which intelligent human beings should operate?

Astrologers used to think that one could detect same-sex orientation from a chart, but I think those days are over. Some straight people have the so-called gay signatures, and some gay people do not have them.

Substance abuse is extremely common among people in show business. While I think squares from neptune to the sun or personal planets are often involved, I have looked at enough charts of drug addicts and alcoholics to believe there is no single astrological signature for it.

 

[C0rnholio]

From an astrological perspective, are you saying specially because Neptune is the chart ruler and is in the 8th house of sex square Mars that he could be gay? I have wondered about this myself as I dated someone with this exact configuration, however Mars was in the 12th house to me being even more indication. Now usually I interpret Mars in hard aspect to Neptune as more of sexual intrigues, potential for sexually transmitted disease, and addiction problems. Not saying everyone with this aspect will develop any of this, just saying.

Wherever Neptune is in the chart this is where usually the addictions are. Either there, or at the planets that it squares or opposes. They are not always addictions in the narrow definition of the word, just activities that the individual chooses to participate unusually often. His Neptune is in the 8th house. Yet his girlfriends are too scarce, and the last known one is all the way in Italy. Who does he date when he is in the US?

Mars square Neptune basically means afflicted sexuality, an addiction to sexuality/sensuality. In women it usually means a heightened physical aspect of sexuality, insatiability. In men it distorts their sexuality, perhaps makes them interested in "anything that moves". But it also makes them somewhat passive-aggressive. They want it really bad but they do not go for it directly.

The guy I dated also had Moon in the 12th house as well.

I think this mostly means that it is very hard for the guy that you dated, if not impossible, to reach his subconscious mind. His subconscious needs, desires and expressions are suppressed and usually do not come out.

 

[Vista]

COrnhollo, I think posts like yours give astrology a bad name. Is the implication that being gay is a problem? is this your idea of a giggle? Would you look at a chart to see if someone were straight? Is dishing the dirt about a celebrity the best we can do with this wonderful art that is astrology? Why not just stick to the National Inquirer if that is the level at which intelligent human beings should operate?

Astrologers used to think that one could detect same-sex orientation from a chart, but I think those days are over. Some straight people have the so-called gay signatures, and some gay people do not have them.

Substance abuse is extremely common among people in show business. While I think squares from neptune to the sun or personal planets are often involved, I have looked at enough charts of drug addicts and alcoholics to believe there is no single astrological signature for it.

Waybread,
If you look at one of his postings he said he didn't have a problem with anyone being gay. I don't think we have the right to judge what is "good astrology" and "bad astrology." It's a matter of interest and clearly this was of interest to him whether we all agree or not. The bottom line is that it"s just not interesting(albeit slightly offensive) to you and some of the other posters. In general if people think it's a stupid thread then they should move on rather than chastise and alienate someone and tell them what they should or shouldn't being writing. This drives people away which is unnecessary. This site has lost a lot of long term senior members because of issues like this. BTW, I am not sticking up for the topic but rather the right to write about what we want to. I just don't think it's worth getting riled up about. Ignore it, as I think Cornholia has something to contribute astrologically on other subjects.

On a different note I do agree with what you said that it's extremely difficult to tell if someone is gay just by astrological signatures. And I think we can all agree there are a lot of drug addicts and alcoholics in Hollywood. I do feel these are slightly easier to spot astrologically than someone being gay, but then again not always.

 

[C0rnholio]

COrnhollo, I think posts like yours give astrology a bad name. Is the implication that being gay is a problem? is this your idea of a giggle? Would you look at a chart to see if someone were straight? Is dishing the dirt about a celebrity the best we can do with this wonderful art that is astrology? Why not just stick to the National Inquirer if that is the level at which intelligent human beings should operate?

If the topic of an astrological study makes you uncomfortable then you do not have to get involved. Just like say not all white people can openly discuss issues of black people, so as not all straight people can think "straight" about gay people. It is just not an easy water cooler conversation topic. It doesn't mean we can't discuss it though. Try leaving personal attacks out of this discussion.

Substance abuse is extremely common among people in show business. While I think squares from neptune to the sun or personal planets are often involved, I have looked at enough charts of drug addicts and alcoholics to believe there is no single astrological signature for it.

Yes, the Sun-Neptune squares and oppositions are beneficial for acting professions. He is a typical actor from this standpoint.

I wouldn't speculate about his drug issues simply because they do not seem to be issues. He seems to carry himself normally, so if he does have issues they are well under control. Many people have or had drug issues. They seem to be a short-lived problem in peoples lives. Some people can get addicted even to sleep medicines, while almost anybody will get addicted to heroin. Then they clean themselves up. AFAIK, it is not possible to look at someones charts and tell if they are on drugs at this current time. But sexual orientation is different. The latest I heard it is not "curable". It makes a good astrological study. Being knowledgeable about this topic can help some of us by staying safe in their relationships with other people. Or not as safe, if this is what they fancy.

 

[C0rnholio]

Why are aspects related to "afflicted sexuality" associated with being gay?

Errr... bisexual, bi-curious maybe, enjoying sexual experimentation, S&M, what else is out there? I am not going to list all other deviations because they are not all socially acceptable.

 

[waybread]

Errr... bisexual, bi-curious maybe, enjoying sexual experimentation, S&M, what else is out there? I am not going to list all other deviations because they are not all socially acceptable.

COrnholio, Vista-- This topic does not make me uncomfortable. Just as you claim the right to do, I equally have the "right" to post my opinion on any thread I choose. Sadly, you would seemingly prefer to speculate about Clooney's sexuality than to interpret his chart to understand the good he has done with his charitable work in the Sudan.

Your reading of Neptune is not consistent with the many works I have read on it. You might enjoy reading Liz Greene's book on Neptune, where she talks about Neptune as a desire (often sub-conscious) to merge with the Whole and thereby to sacrifice one's individuality. You might also enjoy reading Steven Forrest's take on Neptune, which is that it descends into addiction only if one has not navigated its positive expression as developing a healthy sense of spirituality. For astrologers who work with modern sign rulers, Neptune rules dozens of different things, of which addiction is merely one possibility.

To say that Neptune shows in the chart where people are addicted ignores how astrological techniques actually operate; as well as the many individuals without addictions of any kind. To suggest that everybody has addictions is indeed a sardonic view of human beings. What is your reference on this idea?

vista, my understanding of the reasons why long-term members leave is that, in part, they do not find sufficient intellectual stimulation in posts that reduce astrology to its lowest common denominator. And then some of them come back, notwithstanding.

But Cornholio, please re-read the forum rules against posting material that is unsuitable for minors to read.

 

[C0rnholio]

To say that Neptune shows in the chart where people are addicted ignores how astrological techniques actually operate; as well as the many individuals without addictions of any kind. To suggest that everybody has addictions is indeed a sardonic view of human beings. What is your reference on this idea?

I just read it somewhere and confirmed it on the charts that I know. As I said, they are not always addictions in the narrow definition of the word. Since Neptune is considered a higher octave of Venus, it could be as innocent as what a person likes, interested in, or prefers to do often.

 

[waybread]

But what a person "likes, is interested in, or prefers to do often" is not the same as an addiction. An addiction is an abnormal physical or psychological dependency, usually one which the person cannot alter at will.

 

[C0rnholio]

waybread,

Your posts in this thread have been low on content. They have been saying more about you than about George Clooney. You obviously do not like the topic that is being covered. Especially you seem to have issues with the language, since this is what you have been picking on from the very beginning, recently suggesting that I am breaking forum rules. Instead of continuing the same thing, I would like you to post an excerpt from the forum rules against posting material that is unsuitable for minors, along with my exact words, which broke those rules. I am pretty sure all my verbiage so far has been PG-13.

And why don't you start your own thread about George Clooney's adventures in Sudan?

 

[waybread]

To do so would only further detract from your apparent intention to gossip about celebrity sexual orientation and addictions. I regret that you view serious charitable work in Darfur as "adventures."

To locate the Forum rules, click on "Have you read the FAQ?" at the top of this page.

 

[Courtney Love]

Corny, you seem to think that George has been celibate for the last 18 years, which could be a little odd... but he's been in solid and constant relationships for the entire time, usually dating a woman for 2 years then telling her it's getting too serious and to go away, not nice, but when you have the kind of choice he has, it's better than dating a woman and cheating with everything that moves like so many celebs...

That being said, this post is fascinating, and it would explain why Clooney doesn't date other famous women, women who would tell other celebs if it wasn't a real relationship....

 

[C0rnholio]

I have a question to everybody who is reading:

What do you think Moon conjunct Saturn and Jupiter mean in case of George Clooney?

In general, I think, it means being emotionally reserved. A reduced ability to lower your guard and let emotions flow.

The Moon is often associated with the mother (or women). And a Saturn conjunction might make a man not like women. I am curious though, what this aspect does for women? Do they still like men?

I just realized that the Jupiter might somewhat neutralize that Saturn. They are antidotes to each other.

Cafeastrology says that a Moon/Jupiter/Saturn conjunction mean fame:
http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/jupitersaturnaspects.html