Introverted vs extroverted me

[LeoJeo]

In astrological terms, what is causing this doubt when it comes to interacting with others, and what are some things I could work on (that are not just typical self-help ideas). My North node is in Libra and that means my south node is in Aries, so I suppose what I am asking is how do I integrate relationships into my life without wanting to do everything on my own?

 

[Osamenor]

What is your doubt when it comes to interacting with others? Shyness? Social anxiety? Wondering if they'll find you acceptable? Something else?

Without even looking at your node placements, the combination of Leo Sun, Scorpio Moon, and Capricorn rising is likely to make for introversion. Capricorn and Scorpio are both pretty introverted signs. Leo can go either way. If the sun is in Leo and the rest of the chart has an introverted cast, the native will probably be primarily introverted, but perhaps a gregarious introvert. That's the person who usually needs to be on their own to recharge but is also quite comfortable being social.

It might be that you're at a phase in your life when you haven't quite figured out how to be comfortable being social, but you would like to be. Or maybe you have a strong desire to be social and an equally strong desire to be solitary. Your chart sets you up for both.

 

[conspiracy theorist]

Curious to know what you mean by the typical self-help ideas, because a lot of people think their problems are more unique than they are, when a basic, conventional change to their habits would do the trick.

 

[Frisiangal]

In astrological terms, what is causing this doubt when it comes to interacting with others, and what are some things I could work on (that are not just typical self-help ideas). My North node is in Libra and that means my south node is in Aries, so I suppose what I am asking is how do I integrate relationships into my life without wanting to do everything on my own?

Hi,
I notice that you included the position of MEAN Black Moon Lilith in the chart. Not many do that. Makes me wonder why you did.
If you take the position of Chiron (inner wounding) into consideration, there is a T-square (challenge and/in confrontation) between Saturn-Chiron-BML across the mutable signs in 2nd-6th-8th houses.

I would offer the suggestion of not playing the game of make believe pretence when with others, exaggerating acting other than you truly are (Sun-Venus trine Jupiter) to be popular, yet that hides/covers an imperfection and inferiority you experience within yourself ( Chiron on midpoint (semi-square) Sun and Moon) when amongst them. Learn to be as, and who you truly are. There is no shame or disgrace in that.
You may choose to be a loner because of the Sun square Moon parental issues that affected how you think (Mercury) and have left a painful Chiron scar within your being. You may trust only yourself because of it. Yet do situations you encounter give reasons to mistrust others?
That may be a message within the nodal path. 'No man is an island' and all that!

The T-square in Pisces (suggestion) and Gemini (mentality) can create an intangible imagination that may not perceive situations as they really exist. It is Chiron in Virgo that attempts bring this to attention by opening the eyes to look at things from a logical perspective that can then enable a mental/emotional breakthrough to occur. Virgo is THE sign that allows us to see that nobody is perfect; we all have our warts and all in one way or another that makes us individually different.

Capricorn rising with ruler Saturn (retrograde) in Pisces can experience being as the ship tossing in the storm seeking a safe harbour. It may make the choice itself to be a hermit in order to avoid it.

My ½ cent worth.

 

[LeoJeo]

Hi,
I notice that you included the position of MEAN Black Moon Lilith in the chart. Not many do that. Makes me wonder why you did.
If you take the position of Chiron (inner wounding) into consideration, there is a T-square (challenge and/in confrontation) between Saturn-Chiron-BML across the mutable signs in 2nd-6th-8th houses.

I would offer the suggestion of not playing the game of make believe pretence when with others, exaggerating acting other than you truly are (Sun-Venus trine Jupiter) to be popular, yet that hides/covers an imperfection and inferiority you experience within yourself ( Chiron on midpoint (semi-square) Sun and Moon) when amongst them. Learn to be as, and who you truly are. There is no shame or disgrace in that.
You may choose to be a loner because of the Sun square Moon parental issues that affected how you think (Mercury) and have left a painful Chiron scar within your being. You may trust only yourself because of it. Yet do situations you encounter give reasons to mistrust others?
That may be a message within the nodal path. 'No man is an island' and all that!

The T-square in Pisces (suggestion) and Gemini (mentality) can create an intangible imagination that may not perceive situations as they really exist. It is Chiron in Virgo that attempts bring this to attention by opening the eyes to look at things from a logical perspective that can then enable a mental/emotional breakthrough to occur. Virgo is THE sign that allows us to see that nobody is perfect; we all have our warts and all in one way or another that makes us individually different.

Capricorn rising with ruler Saturn (retrograde) in Pisces can experience being as the ship tossing in the storm seeking a safe harbour. It may make the choice itself to be a hermit in order to avoid it.

My ½ cent worth.

Hello, thanks a ton for replying with an in-depth analysis, I really needed it. I noticed the T-square between Lilith, Saturn, and Chiron and know that there is a lesson, or multiple, to be learned from that so that's why I included it. I actually am a bit of a loner, I only socialize with family for the most part or family friends and never really go beyond greeting someone who isn't family. It bothers me to an extent, especially when I actually want to talk to other people. I like having conversations and being social but most of the time I don't feel like initiating the conversation.

The nodes are of particular relevance to me because I absolutely feel that South node past of just doing everything on my own, and I know that I need to be more inclusive rather than exclusive.

Regarding the T-square in the mutable signs, I absolutely do not perceive things as they really exist some of the time, but I am learning to see through things.

 

[LeoJeo]

What is your doubt when it comes to interacting with others? Shyness? Social anxiety? Wondering if they'll find you acceptable? Something else?

Without even looking at your node placements, the combination of Leo Sun, Scorpio Moon, and Capricorn rising is likely to make for introversion. Capricorn and Scorpio are both pretty introverted signs. Leo can go either way. If the sun is in Leo and the rest of the chart has an introverted cast, the native will probably be primarily introverted, but perhaps a gregarious introvert. That's the person who usually needs to be on their own to recharge but is also quite comfortable being social.

It might be that you're at a phase in your life when you haven't quite figured out how to be comfortable being social, but you would like to be. Or maybe you have a strong desire to be social and an equally strong desire to be solitary. Your chart sets you up for both.

I suppose I can call myself a gregarious introvert, because I'm social with close family and family friends, but even then I've noticed that speaking to my family has become harder and harder and I don't know why. Could it be my Saturn return? I used to be much more social and I had a variety of friends. Now its just me and my close family that I ever talk to, as well as chatting online. Its mainly in person socializing that has been more difficult for me.

 

[Frisiangal]

Hi again,
I looked up your previous posts written and received since 2018. You appear to have some knowledge of astrology. Have you not picked up any good advice in them actually worth considering, or is it just something of interest to pass a few hours to inter-relate with others?

Osamenor mentioned being in 'a phase of life'. Out of interest I looked up the daily positions of planets in the planetary ephemeris that can relate to a period of life under influence. The positions each day after birth correspond to a year in life. 27 days after birth shows the following:

The Sun, ruler 8th house, has progressed to be on approx. 9+ degrees Virgo in the 8th house, where it has been affecting that lovely small triangle in your chart for a few years. This would suggest that the Virgo influence is becoming consciously aware of your 'imperfections' in relating to others on a 7th and 11th house personal and impersonal level. It will be endeavouring to relate to the others that can bring about the 'shedding of an old skin' and bring about transforming yourself. But HOW?

Mercury's progression will soon reach 5 degrees Libra in the 9th house, where it not only makes a soft aspect with natal Jupiter (natural ruler of 9th house) but is also on the midpoint of the natal Venus-Jupiter trine, thus influencing Venus as well. Although you are not appreciative of any 'self help type of ideas' ( ), you might find that 'something/someone' comes to your attention that attracts your interest and has more meaning than a passing fancy. The 9th house can open one's possible narrow-minded eyes to the social (Libra) benefits of a wider world perspective through travel of a physical, mental, and/or emotional nature, whether through a trip to the library, a vacation, a study to increase knowledge, etc. . In medical astrology, the 9th house has strong associations with 'good health' as a result of a positive nature.

Progressed Moon appears to have completed its conjunction with natal Pluto, which has hopefully aided in allowing to experience just how deep emotions can take control over one's life. Another 'shedding of the skin' to create the altered and positive perspective that allows development in growth as Moon spends 2½ years in Sagittarius, through its first aspect to the progressed Mercury to natal Jupiter?

Mars' active progression is slower yet now on 26+ degrees, still in Libra, its energy has been influencing the small triangle for several years, as if to ask, 'What, and why, are you fighting against a natural nature within you?' As it squares Uranus and finally conjoins N.N, there will be the confrontation with the independent side in yourself that is encompassed within that small triangle and finally opens itself to .... or separates from .... the path between the nodal axis.

 

[curiousabout77]

Hello leojeo,
Your 7th house ruler is the moon in 10th house and your 8th house ruler is the sun in 7th house and they are square each other. Maybe there is tension in you when you meet people about how they can help you with your life path as well as have nice relationship with them

 

[wan]

I don't know why you look at your nodes when talking about relationship-themed issues. It sounds to me like it should be about your Venus or the 7th house.

 

[Osamenor]

I don't know why you look at your nodes when talking about relationship-themed issues. It sounds to me like it should be about your Venus or the 7th house.

Sometimes the nodes correlate with relationship issues. That's especially so if one of them is in the seventh house, and/or shares a ruler with the seventh house, and/or Venus or the seventh house ruler is conjunct or aspecting a node, and/or Venus rules one of the nodes. But even when that's not so, the nodes are part of the general life story, so any ongoing issue might have some correlation with them.

In this case, if we use true node, Venus rules the north node. However, I'd like to see a version of the chart with mean node, because the nodes are so close to the sign cusps that this might be a case of true node and mean node being different signs. If they are, Venus would be the ruler of the south node when mean node is used.

If true node and mean node are in different signs, it takes some playing with the chart to figure out which is most accurate for the native.

 

[Osamenor]

I suppose I can call myself a gregarious introvert, because I'm social with close family and family friends, but even then I've noticed that speaking to my family has become harder and harder and I don't know why. Could it be my Saturn return? I used to be much more social and I had a variety of friends. Now its just me and my close family that I ever talk to, as well as chatting online. Its mainly in person socializing that has been more difficult for me.

You haven't had your Saturn return yet. That's still about two years away. Changes that have already happened would not be about your Saturn return.

In person socializing has gotten more difficult for everyone in the last few years because the pandemic isolated everyone. Now we all have to relearn it, collectively. Since socializing requires two or more people, you can't be any better at it than the people around you are. If the people you're socializing with have trouble with in person socializing, naturally you will too. And vice versa.

Astrologically, you might have a little extra difficulty with it because of your temperament. Temperament is calculated based on certain chart factors, primarily Sun, Moon, ascendant, and ascendant ruler. The planets and signs involved may be hot or cold, wet or dry--that says something about how they function. Explaining it in detail would be too complex for a forum post; the takeaway I'm seeing is that your temperament is mostly dry. The wet temperament is best at making social connections. People with dry temperaments don't connect as easily and effortlessly as people with wet temperaments do. If your temperament is mostly dry, you will probably get the most connected, socially, when you go through someone who has a mostly wet temperament. If your partner/spouse, best friend, etc. has a wetter temperament than you, they'll be the one to make most of the social connections for both of you.

Close family and friends are people you're already connected with, so your connections with them can remain easy and effortless. But not so close connections are harder to make and harder to maintain if you don't have a wet temperament person serving as go between.

That's not to say you can't be social. In fact, it might appear to others that you're easily and effortlessly social. The difficulty is something you're feeling for yourself--a lack of close connection--but it might not be perceivable to others.

Your Scorpio Moon (which, incidentally, is the only part of your temperament that's wet) would naturally long for very, very close connections. Superficial, friendly connections won't satisfy.

 

[LeoJeo]

To update this: I suppose the only real thing wrong is that I have mental fog and sometimes find it difficult to talk to people, i.e. I can't talk as well as I used to be able to.

 

[Humanitarian]

Sometimes the nodes correlate with relationship issues. That's especially so if one of them is in the seventh house, and/or shares a ruler with the seventh house, and/or Venus or the seventh house ruler is conjunct or aspecting a node, and/or Venus rules one of the nodes. But even when that's not so, the nodes are part of the general life story, so any ongoing issue might have some correlation with them.

In this case, if we use true node, Venus rules the north node. However, I'd like to see a version of the chart with mean node, because the nodes are so close to the sign cusps that this might be a case of true node and mean node being different signs. If they are, Venus would be the ruler of the south node when mean node is used.

If true node and mean node are in different signs, it takes some playing with the chart to figure out which is most accurate for the native.

I don't think that his mean node is in Scorpio, because his True Node is in direct motion, and if the True Node has direct motion, the degree of the mean node is smaller because Mean Node is always retrograde

 

[Ecliptique]

Hello LeoJeo,
I just note that at the beginning of next October, with the transit of Venus in Leo, you can contribute to changing your way of being as well as attaching yourself to a thought or an idea by being at the listening in relation to the interest shown in you while wanting to exist in the relationship with the other. You absolutely want to dedicate yourself to wanting to be appreciated and to be loved.

Good favorable development.
Ecliptique.