Indicators for acting ability in natal chart

[ume]

Hi,

i realised that members often ask about if their chart can indicate acting ability.
Me myself (not interested in acting), but like to study more how is it present in a chart.

I searched for actor's natal in astrodatabank. And would like to see an open discussion with ideas: What indicate acting? (Or if you can see something what surely deosn't indicate talent for acting, and suprisingly the person still good in it.) I tried search with charts with similarities and differences.

Tom Hanks:

Susan Sarandon:

Leonardo DiCaprio:

Meryl Streep:

Brad Pitt:

Julia Roberts:

Jack Nicholson:

 

[ume]

When first looked at it, i see strong 1st, 2nd and 10th houses.
3 of them has Aries midheaven.

 

[ume]

Ok. I try to look into this. In a step by step manner, because i can only do this. (my style is not really refined.)
Let's see:

Tom Hanks:

Gemini Midheaven (good ability to speak, talkative, mental, curious, intellectual, also ambitous) conjunct Venus rx in the 10th house (career, outer personality).
Venus' position strenghten his artistic ability.

(I read in many places that Gemini midheaven is the 'messenger'. I think it apply to the type of actor Mr. Hanks is.)

Question: I read about Venus being retrograde, but i am not sure how this would manifest in a career.

So Venus square Mars in the 6th. 6th house rules the work environment and partners. There is stress here, but it also indicates drive to achieve and artistic interest.

Also Venus trine Neptune. Connects his 10th and 2nd house. Neptune in 2nd can indicate confusion about the income, also money can come from art (and film). I think it is the latter in his case.
Especially because 2nd house cusp in Libra indicate hamrony and balance. He probably also likes to spend his money and buy pretty things. (?)

Venus sextile Pluto in the 12th house. Connect 10th house with his unconscious. This aspect can make him more pasionate or magnetic(/also can show hidden agression?). Although i am not sure if the 12th house is the best place for Pluto.

He also has Mercury and Sun in the 10th house. Both clearly indicates a public persona. Even if cancer a very sensitive sign. Mercury is also the ruler of his ascendant. Connect his self-expression house with his career house.

He also has a grand trine Sun-Mars-Saturn rx.

Bob Marks call mars in the 6th a "workaholic" placement. And that arguements can be expected in the work place.

If we add the venus square to this, it can mean that in his workenvironment he can have difficulties? (Isn't contradict with how famous and succesful he is?)

Summary:
The chart indicates a person who earn his money with his intellect, who is communicative and passionate. Clearly interested in an artistic way to communicate his ideas. This person may be not easy to work with. Also has a very detailed, hard-working and sensitive public persona.

 

[astrologer50]

http://chirotic.wordpress.com/2008/06/16/the-astrologers-degrees-a-study-of-the-evidence/

http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serp...6/Degrees.html
Another list of degrees, meanings

The murderer degree - 18-19 Aries/Libra

I have to say, some of these degrees are fascinating for me:
Mercury 6° Scorpio: Occultist.
Moon 15° Scorpio: The Center of Regeneration, The eagle point.
Neptune 22° Scorpio: Refinement, morality, good health, universally respected.


http://www.astrologycom.com/fixedstars.html

http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Degrees.html

 

[eviltwin]

I found some statistical research floating around the internet... since I found it as a lone pdf on google search, I can't verify it's authenticity, but all the same I've uploaded it for what it's worth. You'll find a section called "Performers" as well as "Actors" towards the end of the document.

The document is actually longer, but the file size was too big, so I appended it to the relevant sections.

Hope this helps!

 

[eviltwin]

Also, I just saw Clint Eastwood's chart yesterday, and he has Neptune Conjunct MC... I'm sure that's a pretty big bonus for actors. I would imagine Neptune and Venus conjunct MC or Asc would be great assets.

Also, I remember seeing Bruce Lee's chart a while back, and it had the Sun conjunct the Asc, which I am sure again is quite an asset in becoming famous!

The tough thing to peg down is, different people are bound to have different combinations of strengths and make use of them in unique ways, at different points in their lives. So as far as Astrology is concerned, I think the best we can do is to point out as many strengths that can suit what is required in various professions as we understand them. I think the big thing is in realizing that those same strengths, can and definitely will also be able to find homes in other professions. No two people do the same job in the same way! ;-)

 

[ume]

Eviltwin,
the pdf file is very interesting. Thank you! I will look into it after finishing this post.

And yes, many different kind of energy, makes different kind of actors. I will when have more time, analyse these charts, maybe i will find something. Vocational astrology is one thing i am very interested in.

 

[astrologer50]

Neptune l0th House – angular house
Intuitive factors will play an important part in your career. Good position for Astrologers, Clairvoyants, and ­psychiatrists. Spiritual leaders. One of your parents may be unusual. Good for acting. Visible ‑ and helpful! (Angular house). Public image obvious in career. Put on an act or hide behind a uniform to play a part. Actors, amateur dramatics. Good at painting pictures, ­embellishing things that would enhance people's lives. Artistic.

 

[Caro]

Hi
on another thread someone has suggested mars in 12th house for acting ability. you may want to check that out.

 

[Kannon]

The indications for dramatic talent in the birth chart have to do with those that indicate the ability externalizing emotion in a communicative way, emoting. Themes may show up in the 5th-11th or in the 3rd-9th, or may show in a strong personality, as if selling oneself, which would be the 1st-7th -- of a CORRECT chart. There are many charts circulated that are not correct, so you can't take house information literally.

The rising sign and condition of the Asc (aspects to it) have a lot to do with whether a person has ability to emote and deliver one's personality. Communication alone does not mean acting ability, because you must deliver YOURSELF in a role.

Virgo rising types (t.hanks) can slip into a role to perform. Tom Hanks' chart ruler, Mercury, is P (parallel) Sun and Pluto if you use an orb of at least 1*13. This is an example that leads me to believe that a wider orb than 1* should be used for parallel aspects, which are every bit as strong as conjunctions in longitude. Plus Tom's chart here shows Venus in Gemini near the MC in the 10th, which would indicate a lightheared career in entertainment. Mars opp Asc can indicate the ability to emote, especially since the Asc/DC invovles mutable signs - less controlling, more flexible/interactive than in fixed or cardinal. These things indicate to me that his chart is pretty close to correct. He is a genuine Virgo rising (his V-shaped, narrow face - look at pics when he was younger) http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25131

 

[Kannon]

Sarandon's tendency to take up causes and her more rectangular face leads me to believe she may be Aquarius rising instead of Capricorn with Moon conjunct. That just doesn't seem to fit her. Early Aqua rising would put her chart ruler in 5th. Take a look at her aspects in declination. Uranus CP Moon, Venus, P Pluto -- and the N.Node actually.

Dicaprio: Asc Libra, probably correct, ruler Venus conjunct Sun. Entertainer.



Meryl Streep: classic actor's chart. Leo rising with Jupiter opp Asc.



Brad Pitt is definitely not a Sagittarius rising, but a fixed sign, almost certainly Scorpio rising. His face/head are too blocky and he's too mysterious for a double Sag.

Julia Roberts is Cancer rising (see the rounded face here indicating cardinal Asc)

Look at chart ruler Moon in her chart. Powerfully aspected.

Jack Nicholson's correct Asc sign is mutable, almost certainly Gemini (joker, trickster, prankster). Look at pics of his narrow/tapering face when he was younger (30s or<).

Take a look at the condition of his Mercury in declination.

Learn about Asc signs here in the forum:
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25131

 

[astrologer50]

Nice one Kannon--- respect

 

[Styx]

You might want to have a look at the following asteroids:

Actor
Shakespeare
Dionysus
Karma
Euterpe
Tyche
Talent

I think they could indicate acting talent and if one could be succesful as an actor.

 

[Kannon]

I was wrong about Sarandon's Asc sign. A second look at pictures like this one show that she has more rounded face when younger that typically looks more rectangular when older. The rounded inward forehead and jaw indicates a cardinal sign.

 

[PD187540]

VERY interesting thread! I'm currently working in the medical field of pathology, but I've been thinking about dabbling in acting for the past few years. Whenever I think about doing that, I get so overcome with the idea that it gives me the classic "butterflies in my stomach" feeling. Weird, I know, but I'm not sure if I should pursue it on the side. The more important question I should ask is WHEN would be the right time for me to take an acting class or at least get the ball rolling.

I've attached my chart below for your reference, but here are some key factors that I think may play a role in giving me some acting ability:

FOR COMMUNICATION/EXPRESSION
Mercury in Virgo 8th House trine Capricorn Ascendant
Moon in Aries - 3rd House (direct, blunt, honest, open, forceful communication style)
Moon trine Ascendant
Chiron in Gemini in 5th House

ACTING POTENTIAL ASPECTS
Venus conjunct Mars in Leo - 8th House (dark roles?)
Regulus conjunct Mars
Sun in Libra (in 8th, cusp of 9th) quincunx Moon in 3rd
Neptune in 12th House (natural house placement)
Sun square Neptune
Uranus in 11th (natural house placement) conjunct Jupiter in Sag.
Moon trine Venus, Moon trine Mars, Moon trine Neptune
Venus sextile Pluto, Mars sextile Pluto
Venus trine Neptune, Mars trine Neptune
Moon opposition Pluto (harnessing the power of deep emotion)
Ruler of Asc. (Saturn in Scorpio) conjunct MC and conjunct Pluto (a clue as to the types of roles I'd play: dark psychological roles, murderers, royalty, manipulative roles, villains, doctors, lawyers, scientists)



Is this all just crazy, or should I take a stab and throw my hat into the pursuit of acting?

 

[astrologer50]

VERY interesting thread! I'm currently working in the medical field of pathology,[that would suit scorpio/pluto] but I've been thinking about dabbling in acting for the past few years. Whenever I think about doing that, I get so overcome with the idea that it gives me the classic "butterflies in my stomach" feeling. Weird, I know, but I'm not sure if I should pursue it on the side. The more important question I should ask is WHEN would be the right time for me to take an acting class or at least get the ball rolling.

I've attached my chart below for your reference, but here are some key factors that I think may play a role in giving me some acting ability:

FOR COMMUNICATION/EXPRESSION
Mercury in Virgo 8th House trine Capricorn Ascendant
Moon in Aries - 3rd House (direct, blunt, honest, open, forceful communication style)
Moon trine Ascendant
Chiron in Gemini in 5th House

ACTING POTENTIAL ASPECTS
Venus conjunct Mars in Leo - 8th House (dark roles?) [this has to do with joint finances, sex and other stuff not career]
Regulus conjunct Mars [nope too wide it's 29'Leo nice try]
Sun in Libra (in 8th, cusp of 9th) quincunx Moon in 3rd [this just shows you may find it hard to integrate the male/female principles and suggests your parents probl didn't understand each other much]
Neptune in 12th House (natural house placement) cadent, hidden and useless, prone to addictions and hidden stuff.on pos side it could add psychic ability
Sun square Neptune [no clear self image and overshadowing libra traits]
Uranus in 11th (natural house placement) conjunct Jupiter in Sag.
Moon trine Venus, Moon trine Mars, Moon trine Neptune
Venus sextile Pluto, Mars sextile Pluto
Venus trine Neptune, Mars trine Neptune
Moon opposition Pluto (harnessing the power of deep emotion)
Ruler of Asc. (Saturn in Scorpio) conjunct MC and conjunct Pluto (a clue as to the types of roles I'd play: dark psychological roles, murderers, royalty, manipulative roles, villains, doctors, lawyers, scientists)


Is this all just crazy, or should I take a stab and throw my hat into the pursuit of acting?

it's amazing what you can read into a chart if you try hard enough - NOT

Now let's be bit more realistic.....
I use Equal House system (where each cusp is same as Ascendant) and am a modern astrologer. Lots of newcomers come into Astrology/forums and get a free chart from www.astro.com and the default ‘house system’ used is Placidus and think that’s just the norm and all there is……..BUT that is just the tip of the iceberg. You can change the default on astro.com in Extended Chart selection to Equal house and a few others if you wish to experiment…..

chart ruler saturn conj MC *will* delay mattered til mid life. I have this and there is no getting around this. Your mercury is *retrograde* and unaspected, AND a singleton -really....AND it's in the 9th with sun. Saturn and pluto 10th

Retrograde planets
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22923
http://astrology.findyourfate.com/astrology-retrograde.htm
http://www.north-node.com/astrology-tutorials/retrogrades
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/retrogradeplanets.htm
http://www.north-node.com/astrology-tutorials/retrogrades
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5796&postcount=8
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5861&postcount=10



unaspected planets
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/aspects2.html
http://www.innerself.com/Astrology/unaspected.htm
http://classiclegendbooks.com/martinschulman-astrology-articles-17-unaspected-planets-1.html
http://astrology.findyourfate.com/astrology-unaspectedplanets.htm
http://www.donmc.com/Unaspected.htm
http://www.astrologyclub.org/articles/unaspected/unaspected.htm
http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/dde3467b-df04-4a45-94c8-7aeb8e91e741

so although the chart does suggest someone concerned with outer world things and extrovert you lack the element of EARTH, practicality, or planets in earth houses, except perhaps saturn/pluto if you come over to Equal

You do have a nice kite formation, but moon is also handle for bucket chart.
now mercury rules 6th & 9th

Ruler of the Sixth House in the Ninth House

The work you do may be related to teaching at a higher level or it could be involved with the publishing or advertising fields. It may require a good deal of travel or it may be that you simply work outside versus sitting in a traditional office job. Or, your work may actually be related to your religious/spiritual ideals. If you own pets, you may prefer large ones to small ones
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/houserulerships.htm#hr6

ruler of 2nd in 12th suggests you could spend money on spirital esoteric things or maybe getting into healing type modalities.

moon opp saturn shows you are able to endure financial hardships (as mother did) in your early childhood, and have become emotionall reserved, cautious at times. then at other times, moon opp pluto kicks in

acting ability
http://www.astrotheme.com/celebrites/
http://classiclegendbooks.com/birthd...birthdays.html

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=25997
http://art-astrology.blogspot.com/20...ny-curtis.html
http://www.astrologychart.eu/actor/
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/008598.html

 

[PD187540]

I find that to be all wrong about me, though. I know you have a certain bias towards using the Equal House system, which is fine...for you. Some prefer Equal, others Koch, others Placidus, etc etc. Bottom line is that your interpretation of the ruler of 6th in 9th and 2nd in 12th is completely wrong about me. Mercury is also stationary, NOT retrograde. (PDF file has it as stationary direct, and I've seen that in other visual programs as well).

As far as saturn conj MC meaning "delaying until mid-life", I don't see how that applies to me right now. I've been frustrated in choice of career for a few years, but I've finally settled into a career path and that's that. Perhaps the big breakthrough may come when I decide to audition for a part in my 40s (while still doing my current full-time medical career), I get it, and I become this overnight sensation. Now THAT would be saturn conj MC's effects! I don't see how else it could manifest.

I also don't see how I can lack Earth when my Ascendant is an Earth sign (with its ruler prominently placed) and my Mercury is in an exalted earth sign. So Earth seems to be OK for me. If anything, water is the sign I'm lacking the most of, not earth. (then again, my 8th house planets could balance that out).

 

[Caro]

I'd say just go for it if this is something you have always wanted to do.

however you may wish to check transits to see what would be the best time. you have a cap asc so will have pluto around this now(apologies I didnt really look deeply at your chart) lots of other stuff too, uranus in aries now, saturn in libra - which will all effect some of your personal planets.

dont let other people walk over your dreams.

Personally I see neptune as well placed in the 12th (the house of pisces) a caring compassionate person.

Sun sq neptune is difficult but it is something you can learn to grow with.

 

[astrologer50]

I find that to be all wrong about me, though. I know you have a certain bias towards using the Equal House system, which is fine...for you. Some prefer Equal, others Koch, others Placidus, etc etc. Bottom line is that your interpretation of the ruler of 6th in 9th and 2nd in 12th is completely wrong about me. Mercury is also stationary, NOT retrograde. (PDF file has it as stationary direct, and I've seen that in other visual programs as well).

ok, I was only going off the visual signs, but you cannot get away from the 'fact' that it's a singleton (only planet in earth and Asc is not enough) AND unaspected

As far as saturn conj MC meaning "delaying until mid-life", I don't see how that applies to me right now.[well as you are 28 it does *suggest* a while to wait,I would have thought that pretty obvious..]. I've been frustrated in choice of career for a few years, but I've finally settled into a career path and that's that.[good for you] Perhaps the big breakthrough may come when I decide to audition for a part in my 40s (while still doing my current full-time medical career), I get it, and I become this overnight sensation. Now THAT would be saturn conj MC's effects! I don't see how else it could manifest.

I also don't see how I can lack Earth when my Ascendant is an Earth sign (with its ruler prominently placed) and my Mercury is in an exalted earth sign. So Earth seems to be OK for me. If anything, water is the sign I'm lacking the most of, not earth. (then again, my 8th house planets could balance that out).

you are correct on this point, saturn is a singleton ie: only planet in water, but in placidus you have 5planets in water houses to help compensate and 4 in Equal house

Now mercury is exalted in virgo BUT does not alter the fact that is unaspected, singleton and stationary retro. Your chart still lacks earth or planets in earth house to help compensate like it would with low water count.
Mercury is NOT prominently placed in 8th its a suceedent house and in Equal in 9th it's cadent/weakened/hidden and losing strength and energy inanyevent.....

what I would say is don't let me or anyone trash your dreams and aspirations, it's just an astrological opinion. you are the captain of your ship and any of what I have said is probably going to be ignored in anyevent....

 

[astrologer50]

I'd say just go for it if this is something you have always wanted to do.

however you may wish to check transits to see what would be the best time. you have a cap asc so will have pluto around this now(apologies I didnt really look deeply at your chart) lots of other stuff too, uranus in aries now, saturn in libra - which will all effect some of your personal planets.

dont let other people walk over your dreams. [quite right, well said]

Personally I see neptune as well placed in the 12th (the house of pisces) a caring compassionate person. [with leo venus/mars who wants to be centre of attention -really. I think the only favour neptune is doing here is possibly increasing psychic ability, whether it's latent or developed who knows]

Sun sq neptune is difficult but it is something you can learn to grow with.

personally I think this house in particular loses lots of its strength as neptune and 12th tends to *dissolve* planetary energies.

Neptune inl2th House – cadent house
Intuitive link with the unconscious mind. Strong mystical ­religious tendencies. Much spiritual depth and wisdom. Guard against mental confusion. Have inner faith (Jupiter rules the sign of faith) and knowledge that things will turn out all right. Leap of faith. Behind the scenes, great potential for service. Place of isolations such as Hospitals, prison, laboratories. Sailors at sea. Could be secret drinker, or other addictions that are kept secret.

So to us this energy make work best behind the scenes, in private. I don't see this being of much use to OP question regarding acting ability though..

I don't see him as typical libra either as the square to neptune will weaken and affect the sun's rays expressions to be more like pisces/neptune effect. I do think that sun and mercury in 9th Equal will be attracted to 9th house matters like higher learning, philosphies, religion the law etc. this suggests wanting to develop 9th house matters.....
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/houses.htm#house9

venus/mars in Leo really does want to be centre of attention but in 8th house naturally ruled by scorpio, they will take on scorpio traits. this has to do with romance and sex - not acting abilities

planets in houses
http://www.horoscopeswithin.com/planetsinhouses.php
Houses/signs are like the backdrop of a stage/theatre, planets in houses behave like actors on a stage, the *aspects* show how these planets/actor behave in a house

With N Node in 6th house in gemini suggests learning how to communicate with lots of bits of information, like a teacher towards health, service industries type of virgoan things and two planets in 9th again, could well point to teaching something.

with sun/mercur 9th in my personal opinion is much better placed in 9th than 8th.