Indications of Fame in a Natal Chart

starchaser

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That's a Natal Chart. You need your Conception Chart, since your rank and status is pre-determined before birth.

Hi, sorry i'm kind of new here & i'm really interested about my career.How can i make my Conception Chart?Thank you!:)
 
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BobZemco

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Some software will calculate it for you, but I use tables. If the Moon is Below Horizon you take the distance from the Ascendant, but if Above Horizon the distance from the Descendant, and then use the tables to figure out the gestation period, then subtract the gestation period from the date of birth, then either cast a chart or use an ephemeris to find the Moon's position then adjust the time so that the Moon has the same degree as the Ascendant/Descendant depending on whether the Moon was Above/Below Horizon in the Natal Chart. And that is the Hour of Conception.
 

starchaser

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Some software will calculate it for you, but I use tables. If the Moon is Below Horizon you take the distance from the Ascendant, but if Above Horizon the distance from the Descendant, and then use the tables to figure out the gestation period, then subtract the gestation period from the date of birth, then either cast a chart or use an ephemeris to find the Moon's position then adjust the time so that the Moon has the same degree as the Ascendant/Descendant depending on whether the Moon was Above/Below Horizon in the Natal Chart. And that is the Hour of Conception.

Ooops i'm not sure i can do this correctly :eek: :) My moon is in Gemini 19'36 in 12th house [unfortunately lol] so i guess it's above the horizon ,but i'm not sure i know how to do the rest =]
 
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BobZemco

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My moon is in Gemini 19'36 in 12th house [unfortunately lol]

Very much so. That would mean your Ascendant is Cancer and the ruler Moon is injunct the Ascendant. If you are destined for fame, then you have no control over it. You will be reliant on other people or on circumstances to propel you into the limelight.
 
To Bob:
Question: If a planet occupies the last 1/3 of a house and no longer has power there than is it wise to ascribe it to the former or next house?

Thanks,
Serafin5

Planets conjunct a house cusp
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=202304&postcount=7
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=205033#post205033
Planets conj House cusp
“Ascendant at 15’ Libra and Jupiter 13’ Libra. That would place Jupiter in the 12th house, right? But many thoughtful astrologers would read this as Jupiter being conjunction with Ascendant, and end up reading it as bringing its action to bear in the first house, rather than in the 12th.
This same idea would apply for each and every house cusp. If the planet is IN THE SAME SIGN as the sign on the next house cusp, and close enough to be CONJUNCT WITH that next house cusp, the action of the planet will be directed into oncoming house”
http://www.astrology-numerology.com/inhouses.html

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14887

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=125412&postcount=4

Ptolemy says the influence of the house begins to be felt 5° before the actual cusp.
http://www.astrologycom.com/houses.html

“Astrologers have seen a body influencing the house it is about to enter, time and time again. All theorizing aside, the planet casting its shadow ahead works. I can speak from personal experience, as well as reading ancient texts. If you discover this as true, then the next question may be, "Just how close must a body be to a cusp before it begins to be felt in the neighboring house?"
I've seen some authors say 3 degrees. I've seen some that give 5 degrees. I have seen some that even give 8 degrees. And there may be other variations.”
http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/90c9f417-5086-4ff0-b31f-c904fe99baca
 
referring back to OP question, he only has moon above horizon suggesting much subjectivity, and MC ruler Moon is handle for bucket chart.

Bucket chart
http://www.myastrologybook.com/Bucket-planetary-pattern-astrology.htm
http://en.mimi.hu/astrology/bucket.html
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/aspects2.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natal_astrology#Aspect_patterns
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/funnel.html
http://www.astrococktail.com/planetaryorderIII.html

Ruler of the Tenth House in the Eleventh House
Your career may be connected to an organization with a common cause, such as humanitarian efforts, wide-scale social change, etc. It may also involve your friends or large groups of people. Your career can be subject to unexpected circumstances beyond your control, however, breakthroughs can happen suddenly. You have the ability to be in a position of authority within groups of people and you can be something of an authority figure to friends. Most likely those who gather together work towards some kind of social change
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/houserulerships.htm#hr10

Now although moon is involved ina grand trine, it also has square to pluto. Leo moon can really be a 'show off' and likes to be centre of attention. Libra rising shows charisma and sweet talker, but also adds indecisiveness to

There is also a minor grand trine with neptune as apex involving, ruler of 2nd Pluto, venus/chart ruler and neptune ruler of 6th house which is very relevent to work/career.

Talent triangle
http://joycehopewell.blogspot.com/2006/07/belle-filles-recorder.html
http://stellarclock.com/blog/2009/08/23/small-talent-triangle/
http://www.janeritson-astrologer.co.uk/Personalities_Charts_1.html


Money & you
http://www.astrotheme.com/files/money_and_you.php
http://www.cafeastrology.com/astrologytopics/astrology_of_money_wealth.html
career significators
http://www.librarising.com/astrology/misc/significators.html
Professional & Destiny
http://www.astrotheme.com/files/astrology_professional_destiny.php
http://www.librarising.com/astrology/misc/significators.html
sticky in vocational astrology forum
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32775
Astro’s vocation section
http://www.babybirthchart.com/zodiac-signs/midheaven/

http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_vocation2_n.htm?lang=z

My thoughts and links on vocation
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=264759&postcount=7

Waybread’s thoughts on Vocation
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=264335&postcount=2

Sun/mercury square neptune can cause problems in expressions, confusions, illusions and worse case outright deception of self/others.

Neptune conj IC and opp MC


Neptune in Square, Quincunx, Opposition to Midheaven
Without a firm sense of who you are and where you're headed, you may be subject to more than your share of downtime career-wise. You may find yourself a target for deceptive career schemes and false promises. Some of this can be avoided by getting into some serious career counseling and making whatever effort necessary to become knowledgeable in your chosen field.
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/aspectsneptune.htm
Your biggest challenge may be to avoid getting sidetracked by doubts about your choices. You don't have to compromise your search for your ideal life's work. You'll just have to make some focused efforts in order to achieve it. Consider some of the following career potentials: acting, any of the helping professions, working as a healer, undercover agent, psychologist, or in the arts (music, singing, dancing, painting), psychic channeling, anything connected to the sea, writing novels, or working in the field of chemistry and pharmaceuticals.
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/aspectsneptune.htm

now with sun/mercury in 6th house of health, I would suggest anything relating to health, service industries

Chart ruler venus, is a singleton, ie: only planet in air element and only two planets in air houses. This can show 'sweeping statement syndrome' where not enough thought is put behind speech simply to get effect.
Jupiter also a singleton, but stuck in 4th simply wants a big house on corner or elevated position....


Singleton planets
“If a planet happens to be the only one in an element, quality, or house type, that planet is a Singleton and it can funnel all of the “energy” of the horoscope. This planet is often the most important one in the horoscope. In other words, if you just interpret the position of this one planet by sign, house, and aspect, you will get to the “heart of the horoscope”. The effect is the same as if that planet were the only one on one side of the chart.”
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/13.0Singletons.htm
http://www.astrologyclub.org
http://en.mimi.hu/astrology/singleton.html
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-2334.html
(There is a book out by Shirley Lyons Meier, "Elemental Voids, More than Meets the Eye", which gives a good discussion of missing elements.) The Inferior Function can be a source of great motivation and creative expression.
http://www.astrologyclub.org/articles/singletons/intro/singleton_intro.htm

Lack of elements http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18077
http://www.astrology-numerology.com/elements.html
http://www.astrology.aryabhatt.com/Astrology_Elements.asp
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/EmptyElement12.1.htm
http://www.astrologyclub.org/article.../inferior2.htm
 

starchaser

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Very much so. That would mean your Ascendant is Cancer and the ruler Moon is injunct the Ascendant. If you are destined for fame, then you have no control over it. You will be reliant on other people or on circumstances to propel you into the limelight.

Hey Bob!!!There's something i want to ask you about this ''reliant" thing but it's a bit personal about me so i PM'ed you i hope you don't mind :smile:
 

bardevolved

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All the planet above the earth is also to do with general success and fame for the native ....i dont know how true it is....but to some extent it indicates some amount of fame.....Neptune in 10th is an indication of artistic ability but 10th lord in 8th is dampens the prospect..

Generally people who have some 10th house planets easily get success, while planets in cadent and succedent is not a goood indicator.

In my chart I have neptune in saggitarious and my imagination is very strong and the ability to write, think and express has been better especially the ability to think... may be due to the planets (jupiter, sun,saturn,pluto and mercury ) in 8th house- the house of depth. but saturn is combust as it is 7 degrees from sun in libra but i have heard that exalted planet in combustion do not do much harm..jupiter being in 16 degree and sun 4 degree... its caizimi...mercury is in 29 degree which i think is a crucial degree.
 
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