In What Sign is Chiron Domiciled?

[Opal]

Why WOULDN'T a Centaur who taught archery be Domiciled in the Sign symbolized by the Centaur/archer?

The irony is, he was accidentally wounded by an arrow shot by Hercules, who had learned archery from Chiron himself. What's the moral of THAT story???

If it is actually a tale of precession, and the motion of the stars, should it not be visible in Monk's Newgrange roof box? Rising and setting.

 

[david starling]

I understand, but, with his domain being the whole of the North, and Lantero mentioning that he may be "the Key" to many things(including precession), and thinking of the last video Monk posted, the midpoint of the North is winter solstice, while Sagittarius, is obvious I prefer his strength to be over his entire domain, the North.

Using the precessional, tropical Ages, Chiron's position between Saturn and Uran suggests movement outward, into the Heavens ("Uran" means "of the Heavens") beyond the limitations of the Saturnian-ruled Age of Capricorn, and into the expansion of the Uranian-ruled Age of Aquarius. That makes Chiron extremely relevant in this ongoing Great Transition.

 

[CapAquaPis]

And Virgo and Sagittarius square off, Chiron represents both the king and Queen, thus Chiron bonds Zeus a.k.a. Jupiter with his wife and assistant in their way to rule, defend and heal their nation, kingdom or empire together.

 

[CapAquaPis]

And Opal, the northern signs or above the celestial equator: Aries, Taurus, Gemini, Cancer, Leo and Virgo have a more masculine feature of themselves than the southern ones: Libra, Scorpio, Sagittarius, Capricorn, Aquarius and Pisces, the feminine half forms a second half of the year. There are also signs in the "western" half of the 90' meridian like Cancer, Leo, Virgo, Libra, Scorpio and Sagittarius said to be more masculine as well opposed to the "eastern" one made up of Capricorn, Aquarius, Pisces, Aries, Taurus and Gemini are more feminine in nature. And the celestial equator (0' latitude) is where the sun is on March 21st and Sep 23rd, while the 90' is the highest the sun is for the northern hemisphere and the lowest it is to the southern side exactly on June 22nd.

 

[Opal]

It gets convoluted and confusing sometimes.

When you go into the link, scroll down to the diagram of a natal chart with the directions.

I too have read the same as you wrote, but I have read quite a few examples of this too. Convoluted. When east is west and north is south. Then there is judgement by elements, being directions too.

https://tonylouis.wordpress.com/2018/05/05/lillys-directions-by-sign-in-horary/amp/

 

[CapAquaPis]

https://www.instyle.com/lifestyle/a...kes about four years,years in Virgo and Libra.

Chiron takes 4 years to move from sign to sign, although it spends 7 to 8 years in Aries (currently) and Pisces and only 1 or 2 years in Virgo and Libra. I think the mid 1970s was exactly when Chiron is in Aries and earlier in the late 1960s in Pisces. The late 2010s was the Trump administration in a sign like Pisces of fortune and fame, but Chiron represents the use of privilege in a form of abuse. Yep...that's Trump for you...and he's comparable to the "establishment" the new Left overthrown over 50 years ago (circa 1969-70) when Chiron was in Pisces. And furthermore, the positions or aspects of outer yet faster-moving planets like Mars (an inner), Ceres, esp. Jupiter and Saturn, and even Uranus, Neptune, and sometimes with Pluto determine the volatility of a Chiron placement.

 

[waybread]

Chiron is not a planet. Its astronomical nature is somewhere between an asteroid and a comet.

The constellation Sagittarius was probably named for the mythological centaur Chiron. He was known for much more than healing, as tutor to gods and heroes, renowned for his wisdom. But so far as healing goes, the "thirteenth zodiac constellation" Ophiuchus is today divided between the (sidereal) signs of Scorpio and Sagittarius. Ophiuchus, the snake-handler, became symbolic of the caduceus, the staff intertwined with snakes, the symbol of the medical profession. Ophiuchus was associated with the god of healing, Asclepius. Asclepius was the father of the goddess Hygieia (hygiene) and Panacea (universal remedy.) His prototype was Imhotep. the Egyptian physician god. Asclepius was the son of Apollo, also noted for the healing arts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asclepius

I'm not saying that Chiron is the domiciled ruler of Sagittarius, because that would take a lot more research on horoscopes. But Sagittarius is a much better match than Virgo. If Virgo has a modern ruler, it is probably Ceres.

 

[david starling]

Chiron is not a planet. Its astronomical nature is somewhere between an asteroid and a comet.

The constellation Sagittarius was probably named for the mythological centaur Chiron. He was known for much more than healing, as tutor to gods and heroes, renowned for his wisdom. But so far as healing goes, the "thirteenth zodiac constellation" Ophiuchus is today divided between the (sidereal) signs of Scorpio and Sagittarius. Ophiuchus, the snake-handler, became symbolic of the caduceus, the staff intertwined with snakes, the symbol of the medical profession. Ophiuchus was associated with the god of healing, Asclepius. Asclepius was the father of the goddess Hygieia (hygiene) and Panacea (universal remedy.) His prototype was Imhotep. the Egyptian physician god. Asclepius was the son of Apollo, also noted for the healing arts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asclepius

I'm not saying that Chiron is the domiciled ruler of Sagittarius, because that would take a lot more research on horoscopes. But Sagittarius is a much better match than Virgo. If Virgo has a modern ruler, it is probably Ceres.

The "Rod of Asclepius" had only one snake and no wings.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_of_Asclepius

 

[Opal]

Chiron is not a planet. Its astronomical nature is somewhere between an asteroid and a comet.

The constellation Sagittarius was probably named for the mythological centaur Chiron. He was known for much more than healing, as tutor to gods and heroes, renowned for his wisdom. But so far as healing goes, the "thirteenth zodiac constellation" Ophiuchus is today divided between the (sidereal) signs of Scorpio and Sagittarius. Ophiuchus, the snake-handler, became symbolic of the caduceus, the staff intertwined with snakes, the symbol of the medical profession. Ophiuchus was associated with the god of healing, Asclepius. Asclepius was the father of the goddess Hygieia (hygiene) and Panacea (universal remedy.) His prototype was Imhotep. the Egyptian physician god. Asclepius was the son of Apollo, also noted for the healing arts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asclepius

I'm not saying that Chiron is the domiciled ruler of Sagittarius, because that would take a lot more research on horoscopes. But Sagittarius is a much better match than Virgo. If Virgo has a modern ruler, it is probably Ceres.

The pioneers knew it was not, but they studied it as if it was one, because they found it reacted like a planet in a tight orb.

 

[waybread]

The "Rod of Asclepius" had only one snake and no wings.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_of_Asclepius

Picky, picky.

Try this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caduceus

"It is relatively common, especially in the United States, to find the caduceus, with its two snakes and wings, used as a symbol of medicine instead of the Rod of Asclepius, with only a single snake. This usage was popularised largely as a result of the adoption of the caduceus as its insignia by the U.S. Army Medical Corps in 1902...

"The Rod of Asclepius is the dominant symbol for professional healthcare associations in the United States. One survey found that 62% of professional healthcare associations used the rod of Asclepius as their symbol...but 76% of commercial healthcare organizations used the Caduceus symbol. ...[Apparently] professional associations are more likely to have a real understanding of the two symbols, whereas commercial organizations are more likely to be concerned with the visual impact a symbol will have in selling their products."

 

[david starling]

Picky, picky.

Try this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caduceus

"It is relatively common, especially in the United States, to find the caduceus, with its two snakes and wings, used as a symbol of medicine instead of the Rod of Asclepius, with only a single snake. This usage was popularised largely as a result of the adoption of the caduceus as its insignia by the U.S. Army Medical Corps in 1902...

"The Rod of Asclepius is the dominant symbol for professional healthcare associations in the United States. One survey found that 62% of professional healthcare associations used the rod of Asclepius as their symbol...but 76% of commercial healthcare organizations used the Caduceus symbol. ...[Apparently] professional associations are more likely to have a real understanding of the two symbols, whereas commercial organizations are more likely to be concerned with the visual impact a symbol will have in selling their products."

Well, there you have it: The "commercial organizations" are more likely to use the Caduceus, which was related to commerce. It's also flashier than the one that was related to the medical professions, so it's better for advertising.

But, why the snake? What do snakes have to do with healing?

In fact, it was an arrow dipped in the snake-headed Hydra's blood that gave gave Chiron the wound that couldn't be healed.

Of course, snakes of the viper family do have hypodermic needles as fangs.

 

[leomoon]

The pioneers knew it was not, but they studied it as if it was one, because they found it reacted like a planet in a tight orb.

I believe it was re-classified as dwarf planet


Wikipedia:



Although it was initially called an asteroid and classified only as a minor planet with the designation "2060 Chiron", in 1989 it was found to exhibit behavior typical of a comet. Today it is classified as both a minor planet and a comet

When the astronomers were meeting on the designation of Pluto, they also change others;

 

[leomoon]

The "Rod of Asclepius" had only one snake and no wings.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_of_Asclepius

When we visited Turkey for almost a month's tour, we went here too of course:
https://www.ancientpages.com/2018/0...t-library-and-remarkable-water-supply-system/

Pergamon’s therapeutic and healing center, the Sanctuary of Asclepius (the god of medicine and healing), was famous due to the presence of eminent Roman physician Galen (c. 129–200 AD), who was born in Pergamon. The medical center used alternative treatments to heal sick patients, with diagnoses often coming from dream analysis.
Treatments included; bathing in, or drinking water from sacred springs, massage, mud baths, and use of herbs and salves. Small clay or terracotta body parts found around the site could be gifts from healed customers of the center.

However, what really stuck with me, was the following - In Asklepion; we visited the ruins of Roman Pergamon. While the group went up the hill to see these marvelous ruins - (mot of Turkey's ancient landscape of ruins, are still very much intact, much like Egypt's. Perhaps the weather has a lot to do with that fact


As I lingered behind I stayed longer on the tunnel we passed (see 4th photo down)
https://travelandbeyond.org/2015/01/06/asklepieion/


This tunnel like structure, had stone steps to the interior, and it was the first mental health or more likely, "holistic health) hospital in the world (from what I recall) operated by Galen, the physician who followed Aesculapius. The small steps leading to the interior of this ancient "hospital", I was told, kept water running much like today's popular little kitchen running water meditative type of theme that was popular a decade ago.
Galden espoused the belief, that the mind affects the body, so thought is the cause, the body (if diseased) the result of incorrect thinking. Much the same philosophy as Edgar Cayce, the latest in the USA , called "father of Holistic Medicine".



The idea being, "the running water down the steps" helped "soothe" the emotions of the patients, therefore, helping them heal.


Here is the "kicker" - There were small holes in the ceiling of this tunnel like structure, in which the "doctors" would put snakes down, to make sure the patients were still alive.

Who can forget this??? IF alive, the patient would surely let them know.



Turkey is a fabulous place in most ways for archeology & history fans.

Galen's Greek name Γαληνός (Galēnós) comes from the adjective γαληνός (galēnós) 'calm'.[26]
Galen describes his early life in On the affections of the mind. He was born in September 129 His father, Aelius Nicon, was a wealthy patrician, an architect and builder, with eclectic interests including philosophy, mathematics, logic, astronomy, agriculture and literature. Galen describes his father as a "highly amiable, just, good and benevolent man".


At that time Pergamon (modern-day Bergama, Turkey) was a major cultural and intellectual centre, noted for its library, second only to that in Alexandria,[8] as well as being the site of a large temple to the healing god Asclepius.[28] The city attracted both Stoic and Platonic philosophers, to whom Galen was exposed at age 14. His studies also took in each of the principal philosophical systems of the time, including Aristotelian and Epicurean.

His father had planned a traditional career for Galen in philosophy or politics and took care to expose him to literary and philosophical influences. However, Galen states that in around 145 his father had a dream in which the god Asclepius appeared and commanded Nicon to send his son to study medicine

Nice photos here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galen


So interesting, dreams which give guidance. I love those the best.

 

[leomoon]

Galen, the first Doctor who practiced the Asclepius medical techniques:
interesting here, is a link to a book in which he speaks about Astronomer and Astrologers: (wonder if we can find this free online?)

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00348448


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galen



I'd love to know his natal chart with Chiron?


Originally published in 1683 Galen's writings on Astrology & astrologers -

A "review" was written a few decades ago on that writing left behind:



Abstract The author examines the question of Galen's affinity with astrology, in view of Galen's extended astrological discussion in the De diebus decretoriis (Critical Days). The critical passages from Galen are examined ...(but) shown to be according to the author,

https://www.jstor.org/stable/23047154


I found this: (refer back to Wikipedia bio), in that he believed the body and mind were interconnected (henceforth ? the snakes?) The snakes, were meant also to get them moving.

Book Description

https://www.jstor.org/stable/23047154


This volume presents the first edition of the Arabic translation, by Hunayn ibn Ishaq, of Galen's Critical Days (De diebus decretoriis), together with the first translation of the text into a modern language. The substantial introduction contextualizes the treatise within the Greek and Arabic traditions. Galen's Critical Days was a founding text of astrological medicine. In febrile illnesses, the critical days are the days on which an especially severe pattern of symptoms, a crisis, was likely to occur. The crisis was thought to expel the disease-producing substances from the body. If its precise timing were known, the physician could prepare the patient so that the crisis would be most beneficial. After identifying the critical days based on empirical data and showing how to use them in therapy, Galen explains the critical days via the moon's influence

The photo I took of his holistic hospital, with the steps in which running water soothes the spirit of the patient:

 

[leomoon]

Picky, picky.

Try this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caduceus

"It is relatively common, especially in the United States, to find the caduceus, with its two snakes and wings, used as a symbol of medicine instead of the Rod of Asclepius, with only a single snake. This usage was popularised largely as a result of the adoption of the caduceus as its insignia by the U.S. Army Medical Corps in 1902...

"The Rod of Asclepius is the dominant symbol for professional healthcare associations in the United States. One survey found that 62% of professional healthcare associations used the rod of Asclepius as their symbol...but 76% of commercial healthcare organizations used the Caduceus symbol. ...[Apparently] professional associations are more likely to have a real understanding of the two symbols, whereas commercial organizations are more likely to be concerned with the visual impact a symbol will have in selling their products."

I wonder IF only Capitalistic countries, have melded the idea of medicine in this manner, (the symbols), with profit making concerns over health, life & death needs.



Would countries like Canada or England with their Universal Health Care system? have the same percentages?

 

[david starling]

I wonder IF only Capitalistic countries, have melded the idea of medicine in this manner, (the symbols), with profit making concerns over health, life & death needs.



Would countries like Canada or England with their Universal Health Care system? have the same percentages?

Strange that it was the U.S. Army medical corps which popularized the Caduceus in 1902.

 

[leomoon]

That's sidereal astrology, and it has retrograde Ages. Siderealism has an Aquarian Age also, but not until the 24th Century.

So many theories abound! But one thing is certain, it's about time, (for a change)



Being on a cusp of an Age can last hundreds of year, can it not?


http://www.crystalwind.ca/latest-ast...re-of-humanity


Some other author muses:
Ruth Goldstein as she tells her story. "We are at the cusp of the Aquarian age, the year is 2654 AD. The effects of the new age have been felt for quite some time, but most specifically since 2013 when the earth's atmosphere started to change. I have been in this world since 1965.


https://www.amazon.com/Invisible-Hel.../dp/1496002598


and considering:
Edgar Cayce called for a “ gradual change ” starting in 1998 between the Piscean Age and the Age of Aquarius. He didn’t call for a cataclysmic end. He also hinted that it’s up to us through our actions and choices as to how much pain this change will bring.


https://psy-minds.com/aquarius-age/


note: There are not too many years in the gap between 1998 or 2012-2013:


Scientists today confirmed the galactic alignment as the Maya predicted, “There’s no question that one of the great cycles of the traditional ancient Mayan calendar comes to a completion of its count at that time in 2012,” says E.C. Krupp, Ph.D., director of the Griffith Observatory in Los Angeles, California.
In fact, many scientists believe we should be paying closer attention to what the Maya predicted for our own sake. Hidden in their hieroglyphic text is the key to our own salvation, but we must open our minds to see it. The Maya calculated on the day the historic alignment on December 21, 2012, over 2,000 years ago.“…our ancestors devised every method imaginable to alert us to a single fact; now is the time of the most extraordinary conditions and opportunities that accompany the rarest of events, the shift from one world age to the next.” Fractal Time, Gregg Braden


The general consensus is the Astrological Age is about 2,150 years with some deviation because the earth’s rotations vary in length. Another factor is the disproportionate sizes of the constellations.
This coming new era should usher in a period of group consciousness. Aquarius and Leo are polar opposites. As precession marches further into the Age of Aquarius, the “intensive self-consciousness of Leo” should expand into the “group awareness of Aquarius.”
In other words, the individual should become universal while still maintaining individuality. Personal Identity will be lost for the good of the whole. Yet personal spiritual identity would remain intact.


https://psy-minds.com/aquarius-age/

 

[david starling]

So many theories abound! But one thing is certain, it's about time, (for a change)



Being on a cusp of an Age can last hundreds of year, can it not?


http://www.crystalwind.ca/latest-ast...re-of-humanity


Some other author muses:
Ruth Goldstein as she tells her story. "We are at the cusp of the Aquarian age, the year is 2654 AD. The effects of the new age have been felt for quite some time, but most specifically since 2013 when the earth's atmosphere started to change. I have been in this world since 1965.


https://www.amazon.com/Invisible-Hel.../dp/1496002598


and considering:
Edgar Cayce called for a “ gradual change ” starting in 1998 between the Piscean Age and the Age of Aquarius. He didn’t call for a cataclysmic end. He also hinted that it’s up to us through our actions and choices as to how much pain this change will bring.


https://psy-minds.com/aquarius-age/


note: There are not too many years in the gap between 1998 or 2012-2013:


Scientists today confirmed the galactic alignment as the Maya predicted, “There’s no question that one of the great cycles of the traditional ancient Mayan calendar comes to a completion of its count at that time in 2012,” says E.C. Krupp, Ph.D., director of the Griffith Observatory in Los Angeles, California.
In fact, many scientists believe we should be paying closer attention to what the Maya predicted for our own sake. Hidden in their hieroglyphic text is the key to our own salvation, but we must open our minds to see it. The Maya calculated on the day the historic alignment on December 21, 2012, over 2,000 years ago.“…our ancestors devised every method imaginable to alert us to a single fact; now is the time of the most extraordinary conditions and opportunities that accompany the rarest of events, the shift from one world age to the next.” Fractal Time, Gregg Braden


The general consensus is the Astrological Age is about 2,150 years with some deviation because the earth’s rotations vary in length. Another factor is the disproportionate sizes of the constellations.
This coming new era should usher in a period of group consciousness. Aquarius and Leo are polar opposites. As precession marches further into the Age of Aquarius, the “intensive self-consciousness of Leo” should expand into the “group awareness of Aquarius.”
In other words, the individual should become universal while still maintaining individuality. Personal Identity will be lost for the good of the whole. Yet personal spiritual identity would remain intact.


https://psy-minds.com/aquarius-age/

TREMENDOUS disrespect of Vedic settings by those constructing and following tropical settings for EVERYTHING EXCEPT the astrological Ages, is at the root of the wildly different start-times proposed for the sidereal (12 equal Signs measured along the Elliptic) Aquarian Age.

 

[leomoon]

TREMENDOUS disrespect of Vedic settings by those constructing and following tropical settings for EVERYTHING EXCEPT the astrological Ages, is at the root of the wildly different start-times proposed for the sidereal (12 equal Signs measured along the Elliptic) Aquarian Age.

I personally would not say, "tremendous disrespect",because I don't know what's in the hearts and minds of others, however, I do agree the Sidereal is the way to go, because of the keeping to the Astronomical data, the backdrop of the stars and constellations. I don't know if it's laziness or just habit of the Astrologers, but whatever it is, it's their own path.


To each their own, I always say. I'll read anything in a given topic, if it's decent Astrology based. (given the time I have available to me in a given week or day.

 

[leomoon]

I recall about 15-perhaps 20 yrs ago, Bernadette Brady, an Astrologer most respect in Europe and here in the U.S., once said, (or many times maintained), the same thought and expressed it in her writings and blog, that the fixed stars cannot be used with the planets, only the Parans stars would count. Of course at the time, it bothered me, because I was using them regularly with the planets and angles.


example of having this fixed star on the ecliptic:
https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Treindl,_Alois


TODAY, or rather about 5 yrs ago? She did a 180° without fanfare, except for her new book on using the Fixed stars with planets, lol.

People can change in a heartbeat.

I recall the owner of another large astro forum, who happens to have Algol Rising insisted on a thread I had going about Algol influence, that one "absolutely may not use Algol, as a determinant in a chart, BECAUSE, it is too far off the ecliptic. I was even given a map and drawing, similar to this one, to try and bolster his theory or whatever it was then. (Remember, I said, he had Algol at the ASC) WHERE is the Ecliptic, and the Horizon located: - I like the 3rd answer down:

https://zyntara.com/algol-where-is-it/


https://www.cloudynights.com/topic/787590-horizon-plane-vs-ecliptic-plane/#:~:text=If%20there%20was%20no%20tilt%2C%20the%20Ecliptic%20Plane,time%20with%20the%20same%20path%20through%20the%20sky.

if you are in the northern hemisphere then look higher in the sky about 20 degrees above the Bull – half way towards the North Pole star; if you are in the southern hemisphere then look below Taurus by about 20 degrees (one hand span in the sky). Many astrologers think that Algol is on the ecliptic but as you can see from the above map it is well north of the ecliptic (the pink line in the above map).

A few years later, with the intense interest in fixed stars on his site, we don't hear the same song any longer from him.

I simply say, ". Que sera sera or a phrase that one might speak when he is resigned to a situation or is at peace with whatever outcome may come about from a situation


In the art of Astrology. (within reason of course) Some things are simply choice while others are well tested theories. Tests may make all the difference.