I have an strange, clustered Midheaven

Amit89

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Dear fellow astrology members,

I have a heavily aspected midheaven. My sun is in opposition with saturn. Chiron, the wounded healer is also situated there. These are two negatives, however, I have dignified mercury conjuct the midheaven cusp and the great benefic jupiter conjuct the midheaven too and trining the true node. The part of fortune is also situated in 10th house.

The reason why I state this chart is strange since I suffer from a speech impediment and there is mercury-jupite conjuction in gemini and the whole chart seems to put emphasis on communication!

My mars is sextiling the midheaven, venus semi-square and pluto, saturn, neptune and uranus quincunx the midheaven!

So I do not know what to make of it. I was always a below average student at school and have failed my first year at university. I've always wanted to be someone, which I have to thank my sun and mars in leo sextiling the mc for. I've been through a lot, which could be told by my exalted moon in opposition with pluto. I've noticed I write a lot and I've written a lot on what I've been through and self-improvement. So maybe the keys to my life is writing and anything analytical?

Amit
 

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I have a similar chart to yours with 4 planets in the 10th house.

I am also a sun in cancer. I am Libra, Cancer and Capricorn dominant. I can see you are cancer and capricorn dominant as well.


I think it's too much cardinal energy in your chart. people who are cardinal dominant make for poor students. they want to do their own thing...

I dropped out of my first year and started working at various gigs. Looking back I don't regret a bit.

Those 3-4 years in college/university I spent rackig up a ton of corporate experience by the time most of the people left college/university applying for entry level/internship roles I was already in management.


there will be struggles in your career because there's too much action in the 10th just like mine. I think they will ultimately lead to success if you harness the energy positively. I look at a loaded 10th house as a good thing.
 
Dear fellow astrology members,

I have a heavily aspected midheaven. My sun is in opposition with saturn. Chiron, the wounded healer is also situated there. These are two negatives, however, I have dignified mercury conjuct the midheaven cusp and the great benefic jupiter conjuct the midheaven too and trining the true node. The part of fortune is also situated in 10th house.

My mars is sextiling the midheaven,[this mars is a 'singleton' ie: lacks fire energy/impetus at starting things] venus semi-square and pluto, saturn, neptune and uranus quincunx the midheaven! [I don't use minor aspects like semi-square]

So I do not know what to make of it. I was always a below average student at school and have failed my first year at university. I've always wanted to be someone, which I have to thank my sun and mars in leo sextiling the mc for. I've been through a lot, which could be told by my exalted moon in opposition with pluto. I've noticed I write a lot and I've written a lot on what I've been through and self-improvement. So maybe the keys to my life is writing and anything analytical?

Amit
there is nothing *strange* in your chart, in fact it's as individual as a
'fingerprint'

Singleton planets
“If a planet happens to be the only one in an element, quality, or house type, that planet is a Singleton and it can funnel all of the “energy” of the horoscope. This planet is often the most important one in the horoscope. In other words, if you just interpret the position of this one planet by sign, house, and aspect, you will get to the “heart of the horoscope”. The effect is the same as if that planet were the only one on one side of the chart.”
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/13.0Singletons.htm
http://www.astrologyclub.org
http://en.mimi.hu/astrology/singleton.html
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-2334.html
(There is a book out by Shirley Lyons Meier, "Elemental Voids, More than Meets the Eye", which gives a good discussion of missing elements.) The Inferior Function can be a source of great motivation and creative expression.
http://www.astrologyclub.org/articles/singletons/intro/singleton_intro.htm

Lack of elements
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18077
http://www.astrology-numerology.com/elements.html
http://www.astrology.aryabhatt.com/Astrology_Elements.asp
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/EmptyElement12.1.htm
http://www.astrologyclub.org/article.../inferior2.htm


Your are mutuable on Angles ie: Asc/MC which suggests you are very changelable and adaptable, but poss spread yourself too thinly..

Yours is a see-saw chart, which tends to stay down one end and try to ignore the other, or swing the other end, when the lesson is really about *balance*


See-saw chart
http://www.myastrologybook.com/hourglass-see-saw-planetary-pattern-astrology.htm
http://moonvalleyastrologer.com/tutorial2.htm
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/aspects2.html
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=PjU1ZNw93JsC&pg=PT28&lpg=PT28&dq=astrology+see+saw+pattern&source=bl&ots=eAynpIbJV2&sig=y4WltImKK07p9WsWtb52MEe7u74&hl=en&ei=nosHTI2uGouI0wTD7p1w&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CDwQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q&f=false

those three in Cappi in 4th are challenging/angular and suggest a fear of the unknown, saturn/neptune. saturn/uranus hard work, structure (saturn) v freedom and independence (uranus)

when Saturn and Uranus fall in the same sign or house we get caught in a cleft stick, wanting to make changes but fearing to let go of the old.

Mystic Rectangle also know as Grand Rectangle
http://www.astro.com/mtp/mtpt82_e.htm
http://www.lunarliving.org/astrology/mysticrectangle_wedge.shtml
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/aspects2.html
http://www.therealastrology.com/HTML/FAQS/AspectPatterns.html#Mystic Rectangle
http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/aspect-patterns2.html

mercury conj MC also being chart ruler, suggests communications will play a major role in career. mercury conj jupiter tends to overtalk when it should be quiet and undertalk when it should be talking.

cancer/moon ruling 11th hopes and wishes and placed in 8th involved in mystic rectangle suggests that poss mother/women will be instrumental in your hopes and wishes. having venus and mars in 11th is where (venus) you get pleasure with friends, groups activity, large organisations

Saturn Quincunx to Midheaven
You can lead people because you have an aura of authority and responsibility that others pick up on and your advice is often sought. Saturn aspecting your career cusp demands a kind of perfection and those who have it are often successful after deciding to persevere no matter what, through trying times and obstacles. Suitable career options may include: politician, government worker, manager, accountant, corporate executive, construction and building worker, chiropractor, doctor, or dentist. Wherever precision combines with form, or reliable leadership qualities can be brought into play, you have a career possibility.
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/aspectssaturn.htm


 
Neptune Quincunx to Midheaven
Without a firm sense of who you are and where you're headed, you may be subject to more than your share of downtime career-wise. You may find yourself a target for deceptive career schemes and false promises. Some of this can be avoided by getting into some serious career counselling and making whatever effort necessary to become knowledgeable in your chosen field. Your biggest challenge may be to avoid getting sidetracked by doubts about your choices. You don't have to compromise your search for your ideal life's work. You'll just have to make some focused efforts

http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/aspectsneptune.htm

Consider some of the following career potentials: acting, any of the helping professions, working as a healer, undercover agent, psychologist, or in the arts (music, singing, dancing, painting), psychic channeling, anything connected to the sea, writing novels, or working in the field of chemistry and pharmaceuticals.
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/aspectsneptune.htm
Money & you
http://www.astrotheme.com/files/money_and_you.php
http://www.cafeastrology.com/astrologytopics/astrology_of_money_wealth.html
career significators
http://www.librarising.com/astrology/misc/significators.html
http://www.janetboyer.com/Midheaven_in_Sagittarius.html
planets conj MC
http://rugdeeaustralia.tripod.com/id18.html
http://www.skyviewzone.com/articles/asrticle3sc.htm

Professional & Destiny
http://www.astrotheme.com/files/astrology_professional_destiny.php
sticky in vocational astrology forum
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32775
Astro’s vocation section
http://www.babybirthchart.com/zodiac-signs/midheaven/
http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_vocation2_n.htm?lang=z

My thoughts and links on vocation
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=264759&postcount=7
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12398&postcount=1

Waybread’s thoughts on Vocation
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=264335&postcount=2

Career options are assessed by MC any planets conjunct, where the ruler of MC is placed, it’s aspects, then 2nd house ‘how you earn your money’ and planets there, ruler of cusp and where it’s placed, then 6th house of ‘type of work you do’ any planets there and how they are aspected.

Researching rulers of houses will help you understand more where I joining the dots so to speak
http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/rulersofhousesinhouses.html
http://www.trans4mind.com/personal_development/astrology/LearningAstrology/housesDerived.htm
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/houserulerships.htm

Pluto Quincunx to Midheaven
Don't be surprised if you have your share of power struggles with authority figures. This aspect suggests domination and control. You can rise to a position of important influence over the lives of others. All efforts to climb to the top should be kept completely honest and aboveboard.
Consider some of the following career potentials: archaeology, espionage, psychiatry, mortuary science, the secret service, banking, or the medical profession--especially surgery.
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/aspectspluto.htm
 

Amit89

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Thank you very much for your reply's Don.Johnson and astrologer50!

I guess I was very under-motivated while at school and even at first year at university, hence I got poor results.

I'm looking to go into writing and also looking to become an entrepreneur in the near future, which I feel is my natural talents. I'm a bit fearful about my sun-saturn opposition, hopefully my jupiter can mitigate the sun-saturn effects.

Amit
 
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JUPITERASC

Well-known member
Dear fellow astrology members, I have a heavily aspected midheaven. My sun is in opposition with saturn. Chiron, the wounded healer is also situated there. These are two negatives, however, I have dignified mercury conjuct the midheaven cusp and the great benefic jupiter conjuct the midheaven too and trining the true node. The part of fortune is also situated in 10th house. The reason why I state this chart is strange since I suffer from a speech impediment and there is mercury-jupite conjuction in gemini and the whole chart seems to put emphasis on communication! My mars is sextiling the midheaven, venus semi-square and pluto, saturn, neptune and uranus quincunx the midheaven! So I do not know what to make of it. I was always a below average student at school and have failed my first year at university. I've always wanted to be someone, which I have to thank my sun and mars in leo sextiling the mc for. I've been through a lot, which could be told by my exalted moon in opposition with pluto. I've noticed I write a lot and I've written a lot on what I've been through and self-improvement. So maybe the keys to my life is writing and anything analytical? Amit

here's a link to some free astrological chart interpretation advice that could be helpful to you - when you have completed a lesson you find a link to the next http://wilsontc.stormloader.com/Step_1_Inner_and_outer_focus.htm#continue :smile:
 
Thank you very much for your reply's Don.Johnson and astrologer50!

I guess I was very under-motivated while at school and even at first year at university, hence I got poor results.

I'm looking to go into writing and also looking to become an entrepreneur in the near future, which I feel is my natural talents. I'm a bit fearful about my sun-saturn opposition, hopefully my jupiter can mitigate the sun-saturn effects.

Amit
but it's not just opp saturn, it's opposite uranus and neptune to. that's why you need to learn the basics, step by step. We are all multi faceted human beings and you simply do not 'act out' just one aspect in your natal chart. Remember planets are modified by signs, where they express are houses and how they express are *aspects*
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
but it's not just opp saturn, it's opposite uranus and neptune to. that's why you need to learn the basics, step by step. We are all multi faceted human beings and you simply do not 'act out' just one aspect in your natal chart. Remember planets are modified by signs, where they express are houses and how they express are *aspects*

Uranus and Neptune are generational influences

It is important to remember that Uranus takes 84 years and 118 days to orbit the sun! Mercury takes just 88 days! Venus takes 255 days, Mars approx two years, Jupiter takes twelve years
and so:


QUOTE
In an astrology chart, the energy of Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto is expressed on a generational, rather than a personal level because each of these three 'outer planets' takes several years to pass through a single sign and so their influence affects entire generations. In astrology, Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto are therefore known as generational planets. This should be considered in interpreting their placement during an astrology chart reading.

how each planet’s energy is expressed is the zodiac sign and where planetary influence manifests depends on the astrological houses...everyone born within a span of several years shares the same expression...
http://www.suite101.com/content/generational-astrological-planets-a174981
:smile:

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JUPITERASC

Well-known member
AND???? just because they are generational planets does NOT negate their influences in the natal chart or personality :bandit: Modern astrologers like myself do use and appreciate their significance, even if Trads don't!

Obviously - the influence of the outer planets is generational rather than personal and Modern Astrology owes a great debt to Traditional Astrology upon which it is founded and without which it could not even exist. :smile:
 
Obviously - the influence of the outer planets is generational rather than personal and Modern Astrology owes a great debt to Traditional Astrology upon which it is founded and without which it could not even exist. :smile:
aren't you never ever going to let us forget...

Well I strongly disagree, the outer planets are extremely relevant like I said earlier and make a huge influence in interpreting the natal chart aspects.
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
aren't you never ever going to let us forget...
Well I strongly disagree, the outer planets are extremely relevant like I said earlier and make a huge influence in interpreting the natal chart aspects.

Disagree strongly with what? I have not questioned the relevance of Uranus, Neptune or Pluto. On the contrary :smile: I have simply stated the following:
Obviously - the influence of the outer planets is generational rather than personal and Modern Astrology owes a great debt to Traditional Astrology upon which it is founded and without which it could not even exist. :smile:
 
Disagree strongly with what? I have not questioned the relevance of Uranus, Neptune or Pluto. On the contrary :smile: I have simply stated the following:


Originally Posted by JUPITERASC
Obviously - the influence of the outer planets is generational rather than personal and Modern Astrology owes a great debt to Traditional Astrology upon which it is founded and without which it could not even exist. :smile:

Well I strongly disagree, the outer planets are extremely relevant like I said earlier and make a huge influence in interpreting the natal chart aspects.
 

wilsontc

Staff member
personal influence of outer planets, to Jupiter

Jupiter,

You said:
the influence of the outer planets is generational rather than personal

This is a debated point with modern astrologers. While some modern astrologers see the outer planets as only applying to generations, some modern astrologers argue that, since the planets are in a person's chart, they have a personal effect. It is also important to note that if outer planets are conjunct (energy is combined with) the four major points of the chart (Ascendant, Descendant, Midheaven, and Descendant), they can have a very personal effect on the chart owner. In addition, if personal planets aspect outer planets, this can also cause the outer planets to take on a "personal" feel with the chart owner.

Looking into personal possibilities,

Tim
 
Re: personal influence of outer planets, to Jupiter

Jupiter,

You said:


This is a debated point with modern astrologers. While some modern astrologers see the outer planets as only applying to generations, some modern astrologers argue that, since the planets are in a person's chart, they have a personal effect. It is also important to note that if outer planets are conjunct (energy is combined with) the four major points of the chart (Ascendant, Descendant, Midheaven, and Descendant), they can have a very personal effect on the chart owner. In addition, if personal planets aspect outer planets, this can also cause the outer planets to take on a "personal" feel with the chart owner.

Looking into personal possibilities,

Tim

Personally, I don't know of ANY modern astrologers (on AW) that don't associate outers, to personal effect.

I would also add that if any of the 'outers' are conjunct someone's sun for example, that sun (whatever sign) would be strongly influenced or even overshadowed by that outer, thereby becoming an honorary Saturnian, Uranian, Neptunian and Plutonain
 
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wilsontc

Staff member
astrologers off the AW forum, to a50

a50,

You said:
Personally, I don't know of ANY modern astrologers (on AW) that don't associate outers, to personal effect.

You know of at least one: me! :biggrin: What I'm saying is that sweeping generalizations about planets don't always work. Outer planets can have a personal effect OR an impersonal effect. As always, the entire chart has to be taken into consideration. Similarly, the personal planets can have an IMpersonal effect. Personal planets focused in the Universal houses are used for Universal purposes (purposes beyond the personal and sociable).

That said, I think we have strayed far enough from the original poster's question. Please get back on subject and if you want to discuss outer planets vs. inner planets please go to this thread:
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39021

I will move any more off-subject postings about outer vs. inner planets.

Back on subject,

Tim
 
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Rian

New member
I have read a few spiritual books on astrology, and I feel like the influences on your midheaven are meant for you to strive to become them. The midheaven is where your head is and how you see the world, and this is our viewpoint on how to 'fit into' the world. So I feel like these influences on your midheaven are meant to draw you into that direction.

You mentioned that you have a speech impediment, these things are often karmic. So maybe we can assume that in a last lifetime, you didn't speak much, or didn't use your brain much, or something. So in this lifetime, with mercury and jupiter aspecting your midheaven, it's clearly pointing towards seeing the world as heavily mind based. And in order to fit in, you're gonna want to be the same way. So, after a string of past lives in which you may have effectively neglected this area, this may have been deemed the best way for you to develop more of your mental abilities.

That's my 2 cents.
 
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