I am worried, very worried.

theV

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The Solar Return doesn't seem very promising. My birthday falls on the 2nd of sept with Mars/Saturn being conjunct at that period of time. The malefic combo square my New Moon in the SR. It conjunct my Moon/Jupiter in the natal. Adds to that Neptune opposite the Sun square Mars/Saturn. I'm afraid, could someone look at it and reassure me safety? :crying:
 

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Blaze

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Calm, friend. The chart doesn't look too bad. In fact, I can see good in it.

It seems as though this year, for you, is about focusing on you. The location of the Moon in a SR chart seems to be where we, the native, is emotionally invested for the year. Your focus on you is challenged by your roots, where you live, home. Would you say that home life is challenging right now? With the malefic duo sitting in the forth, I can only imagine.

I'll revisit this thread later when I've more time.
 

theV

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Calm, friend. The chart doesn't look too bad. In fact, I can see good in it.

It seems as though this year, for you, is about focusing on you. The location of the Moon in a SR chart seems to be where we, the native, is emotionally invested for the year. Your focus on you is challenged by your roots, where you live, home. Would you say that home life is challenging right now? With the malefic duo sitting in the forth, I can only imagine.

I'll revisit this thread later when I've more time.

Thank you. I am trying to stay calm.

I could see what are you talking about. Uranus 26 aries conjunct the Midheaven opposite Node/Mars/IC might lead to sudden in change in family affairs or possible re location.
 

brightceci

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May I ask do you have a family, or children where you are? You got it, Uranus in Aries conj MC signified a relocation, with Mars and Saturn in the 5th, the cause of relocation could be an explosive one if not for yourself maybe with your children if you have any. In the positive, Pluto with the grand trine with Jupiter and MC in your SR, in relation to your Natal in the 4th, you will find luck in terms of immigration or relocation with government or authorities. I wish I can be more optimistic but the fact with your chart in relation to your location is just an heated one now.
 

theV

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May I ask do you have a family, or children where you are? You got it, Uranus in Aries conj MC signified a relocation, with Mars and Saturn in the 5th, the cause of relocation could be an explosive one if not for yourself maybe with your children if you have any. In the positive, Pluto with the grand trine with Jupiter and MC in your SR, in relation to your Natal in the 4th, you will find luck in terms of immigration or relocation with government or authorities. I wish I can be more optimistic but the fact with your chart in relation to your location is just an heated one now.

I don't have children. I'm only 21, didn't have time to make children I was maturing. My dad works for the government, and there is constant relocation every 5 or 8 years. We've been in my current living for 8 years so there is great possibility relocating will happen this year. Or my father might retire and we retreat to our stable location-we never lived it- I hate our stable location. I've never lived in it, but the location is bad and the people are too.

I am crossing my finger for Immigration. God let it be immigration, but with the world hating on immigrants. I am hesitating about going abroad.

Thank you very much :joyful:.
 

Osamenor

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I'm trying to figure out that Mars/Saturn conjunction myself. Because of how long they stay conjunct, everyone with a birthday between early August and mid September will have it in their solar return chart this year. Surely it doesn't have the exact same meaning for all of us.

Two years ago, I had Mars and Saturn applying conjunction in my SR chart, and I had it read by a professional astrologer. She interpreted it as a sign that I would be putting in a lot of groundwork toward where I was going in the long run (the conjunction was in my natal eleventh house), but seeing little result during that year. This year, I have that conjunction right on my SR AC, still natal eleventh house, but whole sign twelfth. If Mars conjunct Saturn equals that kind of delay, every time, I'll really be tearing my hair out! I thought I was getting somewhere with my life, too.

I would like to know what range of meanings that Mars/Saturn conjunction could have in SR charts. That would be helpful to everyone who's experiencing it.
 

Oddity

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Again, it's going to depend on the chart. You're correct in stating that not everybody has that kind of frustration, even though pretty much everyone who's an adult has had a Mars/Saturn conjunction in a solar return. Given how slowly the planets move, probably more than once.

My experiences have depended on where it falls, but I have a Saturn-Antares conjunction on the ascendant to start with, Mars utterly corrupted and in exact sextile to and received by Saturn.

I haven't been having a good year at all with this one, mostly serious health stuff (hospitals, surgeries) and money stuff. It is unlikely in the extreme my experience will be yours. What are Saturn and Mars doing in your natal chart? What houses are they in? What houses do they rule?
 

brightceci

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It's funny Osamenor mentioned the SR Mars/Saturn conj for people in Aug to Sep, I am one of them. If you look at the threats posted lately asking for help, a lot of them are in this time frame. In the grand scheme of things (countries and us collectively), Mars/Saturn definitely bring out the aggressiveness.

Mar/Saturn energy can be good with starting projects, career, give us the drive and discipline to finally move forward with things that we weren't 'discipline' enough to do before.

If any of us remember the last few months when pretty much every planets were in reverse! Mars going direct with Saturn energy can bring good or evil imho.
 

theV

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It's funny Osamenor mentioned the SR Mars/Saturn conj for people in Aug to Sep, I am one of them. If you look at the threats posted lately asking for help, a lot of them are in this time frame. In the grand scheme of things (countries and us collectively), Mars/Saturn definitely bring out the aggressiveness.

Mar/Saturn energy can be good with starting projects, career, give us the drive and discipline to finally move forward with things that we weren't 'discipline' enough to do before.

If any of us remember the last few months when pretty much every planets were in reverse! Mars going direct with Saturn energy can bring good or evil imho.

Mars is currently in Parallel with Saturn and Pluto, so!
 

Osamenor

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It's funny Osamenor mentioned the SR Mars/Saturn conj for people in Aug to Sep, I am one of them. If you look at the threats posted lately asking for help, a lot of them are in this time frame. In the grand scheme of things (countries and us collectively), Mars/Saturn definitely bring out the aggressiveness.
Mars is currently in Parallel with Saturn and Pluto, so!
If any of us remember the last few months when pretty much every planets were in reverse! Mars going direct with Saturn energy can bring good or evil imho.

And there's been just an explosion of high profile acts of violence directed at masses of people over the last few months.

Masses of people makes me think Uranus. Uranus is squaring Pluto from Aries. Mars is transiting its other domicile, Scorpio.

Just today, a guy in Baton Rouge shot several police officers and got killed himself when they fired back. It was his 29th birthday. The Mars/Saturn conjunction isn't within orb yet, but I just wonder what trigger points he was having hit, on his solar return and right up against his Saturn return.

But, how people respond to their charts and transits is a matter of choice. We Leos and Virgos who are getting that conjunction for our solar returns can choose what to do with it.

Mar/Saturn energy can be good with starting projects, career, give us the drive and discipline to finally move forward with things that we weren't 'discipline' enough to do before.
I saw the horary you posted, expressing an interest in acting. I think that fits very well with this solar return conjunction of yours. It's in your natal fifth house, indicating, probably, something you like to do. Fifth house = hobbies. Mars is drive and passion, while Saturn is hard work and limitations. Together, they could frustrate you, or could work together, if you put hard work into your passion and are willing to give yourself over to the process without necessarily worrying about how soon you see results.

I've reflected some on the last time I had Mars and Saturn approaching each other in my solar return, and it dawned on me that it actually worked out very well for me. That was the year I took up astrology for myself, and I really dove into it a month or two after my birthday. The conjunction was in my SR fifth house/natal eleventh. I began working at astrology as a hobby. The rest of my life didn't seem to have quite enough forward motion in it, which was what the astrologer had warned me about, but now that I think about it, I was moving forward very quickly with astrology. Now, it's still a hobby but getting woven into my long range plans.

Uranus transiting your natal midheaven from the ninth house could indicate a career shift--more accurately, shift in career plans, since you're still in school (the still in school part could be represented by Uranus being on the ninth house side of your MC) and haven't established a career yet. Mars rules its current sign... so maybe your efforts in acting will lead to a new career plan.
 

theV

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And there's been just an explosion of high profile acts of violence directed at masses of people over the last few months.

Masses of people makes me think Uranus. Uranus is squaring Pluto from Aries. Mars is transiting its other domicile, Scorpio.

Just today, a guy in Baton Rouge shot several police officers and got killed himself when they fired back. It was his 29th birthday. The Mars/Saturn conjunction isn't within orb yet, but I just wonder what trigger points he was having hit, on his solar return and right up against his Saturn return.

But, how people respond to their charts and transits is a matter of choice. We Leos and Virgos who are getting that conjunction for our solar returns can choose what to do with it.

Yes, Uranus square Pluto is what triggered the rebellion of Turkish military. I gave my interpretation on that matter, here it is if you didn't stumble upon it already:

Uranus is rising in the birth chart represent period of sudden change, calls for reformation of the country's personal image (1st house). Rebellion and revolt. Uranus is in Aries and so is the Asc, Mars ruled chart-the military- Mars is in aspect with Uranus also indicates sudden revolt, acts of violence, shoking and unexpected event or movement. Uranus is strong in the chart and Uranus is the planet of breaking status quo through unexpected, sudden change. Uranus square Pluto by signs radical transformation, and violence.

Uranus/Pluto midpoint= Uranus/MC midpoint= Pluto/Asc= ASC/MC "Pluto relates to political power. When these planets are in contact with each other, political structures will be shaken and disturbed in order to allow new methods of government regulatory principles to emerge." the influence of this combo affect ASC (country personal image) and MC ( politics) .

Pluto sitting on the 10th house indicates shifts in power and government. violence acts on the street (10th house), power struggle within the government.

Sun Contra Parallel Pluto
Mars Parallel Pluto/ Saturn contra parallel Sun.

Saturn/Pluto is another combo of violence and power struggle.

The Mars/Saturn are not in orb yet, but as I said they are in Parallel aspect. At the time of rebellion in turkey, the malefic combo parallel Pluto and together they made a contra parallel aspect to the Sun. When Mars/Saturn finally comes together in aug/sept, the energy will be a lot stronger. People who have mutable signs strong in their chart are likely to be affected more. But how person handle this transit has to do with his chart (personality, will power and patience).

In 2013 or 14, Saturn conjunct my Mars. During that period, I gained a lot of self control and discipline, but when Neptune start to transit, I lost it.

I've reflected some on the last time I had Mars and Saturn approaching each other in my solar return, and it dawned on me that it actually worked out very well for me. That was the year I took up astrology for myself, and I really dove into it a month or two after my birthday. The conjunction was in my SR fifth house/natal eleventh. I began working at astrology as a hobby. The rest of my life didn't seem to have quite enough forward motion in it, which was what the astrologer had warned me about, but now that I think about it, I was moving forward very quickly with astrology. Now, it's still a hobby but getting woven into my long range plans.

In 2013 or 14, Saturn conjunct my Mars. During that period, I gained a lot of self control and discipline. The Saturn/Pluto periods are quite transformative. During the movement of this two planet to my chart, Pluto trine the Sun, Natal Mars conjunct Transit Saturn, A lot of personal crisis happened, but they were rewarding. Also during these two periods, I started learning astrology like you.

I saw the horary you posted, expressing an interest in acting. I think that fits very well with this solar return conjunction of yours. It's in your natal fifth house, indicating, probably, something you like to do. Fifth house = hobbies. Mars is drive and passion, while Saturn is hard work and limitations. Together, they could frustrate you, or could work together, if you put hard work into your passion and are willing to give yourself over to the process without necessarily worrying about how soon you see results.

Uranus transiting your natal midheaven from the ninth house could indicate a career shift--more accurately, shift in career plans, since you're still in school (the still in school part could be represented by Uranus being on the ninth house side of your MC) and haven't established a career yet. Mars rules its current sign... so maybe your efforts in acting will lead to a new career plan.

Well my dream is to pursue higher studies (9thouse) in art abroad (9th house/MC). My Solar Return 9th house 26° Aries conjunct Natal MC is the possibility of going abroad, but also the possibility of shifting higher studies/career plans. Sudden changes (Uranus) in higher studies are possibilities, so I'm waiting to see how it works out.

I'm currently in a teacher training college which seems more like a stable job than a career in art. However, teaching and art the same. Teachers and actors live on the stage. They animate, allure and captivate. Acting might help me conquer that stage fear I have.
 

theV

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Where do you live now and what is the source of your time of birth?

I live in Djendel,ain defla, Algeria but born in sidi Ladjel,djelfa,algeria. I've taken it from my birth certification.

Sidi Ladjel: 35n26 2e30

Djendel 36n17 2e24
 
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unique_astrology

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I use the Fagan-Bradley SVP to cast solar and lunar returns then express the charts in the Tropical zodiac.

Your 2015 solar return and it's progression to Aug 30 reveals the astrology connected to your heightened sense of worry through the year and it's excruciating culmination as the eclipse and your 2016 approached and transiting Saturn and Neptune aspected your progressed SR Sun and secondary progressed natal Moon.

Both events have come and gone and you are still here in 1 piece without any of your worst fears materializing. As your secondary progressed Moon moves on your apprehension should subside.

You should keep a close eye on your health as the t-square is in your solar return and the progressing angles will eventually sweep various elements of it possibly coinciding with an issue to be dealt with at those times. Least physical manifestation: worry; most physical manifestation: discovery of health problem or injury.
 

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