Humaniatarian Success??

99LoveStars

99LoveStars

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Humanitarian?? Success??

Greetings~!

I've been looking at my natal chart and I'm rather curious of my future vocational success. I'm torn between my interests and my strive for practical success. You see, I want to start off in the fashion industry, however, I want to branch out from that, and somehow achieve a powerful name (like oprah, angelina jolie, etc.) because I have this humanitarian desire to change the world in some shape or form; I want to be known...

Basically, I feel like I need the reassurance that my decision to start off in fashion design would be a good starting point. Why fashion design? Because I am VERY talented in the Arts and it would give me good recognition, BUT I feel that it's not my true desire...

(I already know most components to my chart, but I would appreciate some perspective. I also know that my personal calling would be occult, metaphysics, psychology, but it's something I'd rather use to my personal knowledge.)

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/16/natalchart.gif/ - Natal Chart
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queeny

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Hey there 99, I can see from you Pluto on your MC that you will indeed be obsessed or have a strong desire to be well known and powerful or famous in some way. However i can tell you from personal exprerience that just because you have a talent in something it doesnt mean you should follow it. Thats just my opinion. I too have Pluto in the 10th and have always obsessed about finding my true vocation in life and wanting to be successful and well known. My problem was i had a million talents and people were always ready to tell me what I should be doing and not to waste those talents. Thing is i was always miserable. Untl that is i realized what made my heart fly, what gave me joy. It took me ages to find the courage to follow that but it is only now that i feel truly happy. There is no longer any doubt about what i 'should' be doing. Thats how you know. Mind you theres no harm (if you really have no idea) to make a start in something and open a few doors, what youre really meant for may come through that way. But be careful making your primary motivation 'wanting to be known' - try following the heart instead. You have Saturn in conjunction to Venus and Mars in the 1st house, so there is definitely some life lesson that needs to be addressed about wanting to be 'seen' in a certain way -( Venus can be a little sef obsessed) before you can freely act (mars) and gain pleasure (Venus) from who you are in the world. Theres more in your chart but i dont have it in front of me right now. Ill get back to you if you think any of this is helping at all. queeny :)
 
queeny

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Also your north node (destiny) is in the 9th house (philosophy, spiritual values) right near Pluto and Jupiter - so you're definitely on track in terms of feeling you have some humanitarian destiny. Pluto is all about transformation and healing and power and right on your career angle, so youre probably intuiting this with you big dreams of transforming peoples lives somehow. With this placement comes learning to be responsible with power as well. Jupiter is right here too so you'll be lucky with this and also gain a lot of pleasure from it. If you open your heart and make your intention pure, i dont see why the right connections shouldnt come to you easily in fulfilling this. North Node and these other 2 planets are all in Scorpio which further emphasises an importance in heading towards a deeper evaluation of the psyche and spirituality. Digging deep is what you're here for as far i can see
 
astrologer50

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Re: Humanitarian?? Success??

99LoveStars said:
Greetings~!

I've been looking at my natal chart and I'm rather curious about my future vocational success. I'm torn between my eliptical interests and my strive for practical success (I can thank Mercury/Mars in Pisces for that :unsure:) You see, I want to start off in the fashion industry, however, I want to branch out from that, and somehow achieve a powerful name (like oprah, angelina jolie, etc.) because I have this humanitarian desire to change the world in some form or fashion & I want to be known (Aquarius Asc)...

Basically, I feel like I need the reassurance that my decision to start off in fashion design would be a good starting point. Why fashion design? Because I am VERY talented in the Arts and it would give me good recognition, BUT I feel that it's not my true desire...

(I already know most components to my chart, but I would appreciate some perspective. I also know that my personal calling would be occult, metaphysics, psychology, but it's something I'd rather use to my personal knowledge.)
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I agree Pluto conj MC shows you absolutely want the control of your career and destiny.
Did anyone die age 5?
You have calculated your chart using the default on astro.com of placidus and I use Equal House system and am a modern astrologer. Lots of people that come into Astrology get their free charts calculated at www.astro.com and the default ‘house system’ used is Placidus and think that’s just the norm and all that there is……..BUT that is just the tip of the iceberg. You can change the default on astro.com in Extended Chart selection to Equal house and a few more.

Throughout the forums but mainly in natal astrology there are two main branches Placidus (unequal size houses) v Equal House (whereby each house is same size) but lots more……. For more information on these go here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_house_system#Equal_House
http://www.astrolozy.com/article19.asp
http://www.skyviewzone.com/birthinfoforms2/housesexplained.htm
For further research try here...
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3280&highlight=placidus+equal
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=638&highlight=house+system
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=152849#post152849
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=189223#post189223

It's only with study and research will you be able to assess where your planets are deposited and in which houses... thus see which 'glove fits'

Your Jupiter would be 9th conj 10th so The law, travel, journalism etc.
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/temples/h9.html


Money & you
http://www.astrotheme.com/files/money_and_you.php
http://www.cafeastrology.com/astrologytopics/astrology_of_money_wealth.html
career significators
http://www.librarising.com/astrology/misc/significators.html
http://www.janetboyer.com/Midheaven_in_Sagittarius.html

Professional & Destiny
http://www.astrotheme.com/files/astrology_professional_destiny.php
sticky in vocational astrology forum
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32775
Astro’s vocation section
http://www.babybirthchart.com/zodiac-signs/midheaven/
http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_vocation2_n.htm?lang=z

My thoughts and links on vocation
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=264759&postcount=7
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12398&postcount=1

Waybread’s thoughts on Vocation
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=264335&postcount=2


Career options are assessed by MC any planets conjunct, where the ruler of MC is placed, it’s aspects, then 2nd house ‘how you earn your money’ and planets there, ruler of cusp and where it’s placed, then 6th house of ‘type of work you do’ any planets there and how they are aspected.

Researching rulers of houses will help you understand more where I joining the dots so to speak
http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/rulersofhousesinhouses.html
http://www.trans4mind.com/personal_development/astrology/LearningAstrology/housesDerived.htm
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/houserulerships.htm

MC ruler Jupiter in 9th and retrograde although well aspected shows a more inwards journey of expansion into 9th house matters. Sun in 2nd house and venus in 3rd. Your chart shows lack of air or planets in air houses except venus in 3rd (Equal house) this tends to be sweeping statements syndrome without enough thought put behind speech.

Ruler of 2nd Pisces/neptune has opposition to Cancer/moon 6th house cusp and this shows emotions can sometimes be confusing and you probably won't be able to work in nasty, bitchy environments. Some connection is better than none here..

Venus apex for T Square with neptune and moon shows challenges with 'rose tinted glasses' (venus square Neptune) illusions, confusions and delusions
venus square moon
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24933&highlight=venus+square+moon
Saturn conj mars shows a cautious approach with stop/go situations and frustrations of actions.
6planets in water can suggest the 'caring professions' and Pisces is known for working in hospitals, care homes and the disadvantaged.



I'm 1' Aquarius rising with Saggi MC, I am trained legal secretary. Having a Sagittarius MC which is the sign of the teacher and I do indeed teach astrology. I also have N Node in scorpio 10th house and this can suggest you want to become known for something in the public, but it can suggest links to Police, law and research/detective kinda things...

 
99LoveStars

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queeny said:
Hey there 99, I can see from you Pluto on your MC that you will indeed be obsessed or have a strong desire to be well known and powerful or famous in some way. However i can tell you from personal exprerience that just because you have a talent in something it doesnt mean you should follow it. Thats just my opinion. I too have Pluto in the 10th and have always obsessed about finding my true vocation in life and wanting to be successful and well known. My problem was i had a million talents and people were always ready to tell me what I should be doing and not to waste those talents. Thing is i was always miserable. Untl that is i realized what made my heart fly, what gave me joy. It took me ages to find the courage to follow that but it is only now that i feel truly happy. There is no longer any doubt about what i 'should' be doing. Thats how you know. Mind you theres no harm (if you really have no idea) to make a start in something and open a few doors, what youre really meant for may come through that way. But be careful making your primary motivation 'wanting to be known' - try following the heart instead. You have Saturn in conjunction to Venus and Mars in the 1st house, so there is definitely some life lesson that needs to be addressed about wanting to be 'seen' in a certain way -( Venus can be a little sef obsessed) before you can freely act (mars) and gain pleasure (Venus) from who you are in the world. Theres more in your chart but i dont have it in front of me right now. Ill get back to you if you think any of this is helping at all. queeny :)
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Queeny,
:sideways: Thanks for offering me your time and wisdom- I will absolutely take your advice into consideration! Although, trust me, I am approaching my future through deep intentions of the heart and not for the sake of image. And yes, I've been acknowledging that Pluto was responsible for this weird obsession, but I was quick to deny it intuitively. Hahahaa, I'm always at war with my logic and emotions! :wink: However, I'm very glad that I can get another point of view on this.
 
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99LoveStars

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I agree Pluto conj MC shows you absolutely want the control of your career and destiny.
Did anyone die age 5?
You have calculated your chart using the default on astro.com of placidus and I use Equal House system and am a modern astrologer. Lots of people that come into Astrology get their free charts calculated at www.astro.com and the default ‘house system’ used is Placidus and think that’s just the norm and all that there is……..BUT that is just the tip of the iceberg. You can change the default on astro.com in Extended Chart selection to Equal house and a few more.
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Astrology50, no one exactly died- I was in a rather fatal incident that nearly took my life at age 5. :whistling:

I never really looked into extended charts, but thanks- it's been proven to be quite convenient! & I already have acknowledged the basic aspects regarding to cusps but I appreciate you providing me some additional links and information :biggrin:

Ruler of 2nd Pisces/neptune has opposition to Cancer/moon 6th house cusp and this shows emotions can sometimes be confusing and you probably won't be able to work in nasty, bitchy environments. Some connection is better than none here..
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Hahaha, I doubt anyone would! In this case, being involved in criminology and law wouldn't cut it either...
 
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powerion

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I'm no astrologer! I don't really understand my own chart! but having said..I think you forsure will have Humaniatarian success! Maybe your humaniatarian success starts with helping out someone you have never met, or someone you have known your whole life. You have strong beliefs which gladly are positive, to see your 9th house is inspiring. I feel like you can really help people out with just talking to them.
 
99LoveStars

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@powerion

Neither am I :whistling: But I really appreciate your input!
I know 9th House will give me "intuitive" feelings about success, but I'm not sure if it goes beyond that. However, if what you mentioned were true, my big mouth would finally be put to good use :)
 
astrologer50

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bluesage said:
Born under Jupiter and Pluto - eventual success and satisfaction.
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with pluto AND jupiter retrograde it does suggest delays, prob til mid life :unsure:

Saturn in Square to Midheaven
"You can lead people because you have an aura of authority and responsibility that others pick up on and your advice is often sought out by those who need what they perceive to be a reliable source of input. Saturn aspecting your career cusp demands a kind of perfection and those who have it are often successful after deciding to persevere no matter what, through trying times and obstacles. Suitable career options may include: politician, government worker, manager, accountant, corporate executive, construction and building worker, chiropractor, doctor, or dentist. Wherever precision combines with form, or reliable leadership qualities can be brought into play, you have a career possibility"
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/aspectssaturn.htm​

also mars and mercury square midheaven and you can read about those here...http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/aspectsmars.htm

"Saturn’s" influence seems to be more obvious in the houses than in the signs ‑ can rule the life with an iron rod, although invisible, by undermining the sense of ­self‑worth and making it difficult for the individual to permit any close emotional contacts.

Saturn's sign indicates what you find uncomfortable and must learn to manage.

Where and how you feel a lack of confidence -- the house position of Saturn defines where
you need to establish your skills, an issue you worry about and wish you could depend on !

Lovely anecdote about Saturn from member mahaira,
There's an interesting thing I read somewhere, which I would never take as a rule as it oversimplifies matters - we can guess where someone's Saturn is placed, broadly speaking, by asking him/her "What do you want (or did want) but don't have?"
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Saturn in the 1st house
· Gives the willpower to finish off jobs. You may take life and yourself seriously, but with dignity. Good sense of justice and will be able to lead others and make plans for them.
· You will seldom speak or act without a definite purpose.
· You make a loyal friend. Always want value for money.
· Never get fat or drunk because of pride.
· Don't like throwing things away. May well be a horder
· If Saturn is conjunct the Ascendant the birth could have been difficult one: the soul was reluctant to come in. This position gives early maturity: the person is born "old" and gets younger in attitude as he grows older.
· Shy and introverted. Makes an early start in life.
· Needs to cultivate self confidence and a sense of their own worth.
· Ability to work hard and through determination, persistence and self-control can achieve success in life.
· Early life was probably austere and disciplined and not apt to have a feeling of being loved in the early part of life.
· There can be great deal of selfishness and self-centredness if Saturn is afflicted.
· Instinctively conservative and sensitive to the restrictions of authority and their environment.
· Some meet failure at every turn, while others achieve success by sheer hard work and dedication. To succeed they need to develop a sense of inner authority and ­self‑discipline.

mercury in pisces is in 'detriment' and afflicted by conjunction to saturn, which will never be a great orator,as this shows mental lack of confidence..
I would discount mercury trine jupiter as 10' approaching is too wide, I tend to reduce the orb ratio on astro down to 85% to bring it more in line with mainstream views...

however, have you researched your kite?

Moon square venus
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24933&page=1

6out of 10 planets in water can make you rather emotional, sensitive and psychic..

to me, the whole chart shows someone more introvert than extrovert and to conquer the whole or change the world, you will need to develop a very thick skin, good oral speech that function on logic rather then emotions..

having your chart ruler stuck in 12th is not great as this suggests you need time alone to commune. only one planet elevated the majority below shows that you are more concerned with your ow 'inner' life rather than being out there...

Hemispheres and quadrants
http://wilsontc.stormloader.com/Step_2_Self_and_other_focus.htm#continue
http://www.astrotheme.com/planets-distribution.php
http://www.lunarliving.org/astrology/hemispheres_quadrants1.shtml
http://www.cafeastrology.com/articles/hemisphereemphasis.html
 
99LoveStars

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with pluto AND jupiter retrograde it does suggest delays, prob til mid life :unsure:

Saturn in Square to Midheaven
"You can lead people because you have an aura of authority and responsibility that others pick up on and your advice is often sought out by those who need what they perceive to be a reliable source of input. Saturn aspecting your career cusp demands a kind of perfection and those who have it are often successful after deciding to persevere no matter what, through trying times and obstacles. Suitable career options may include: politician, government worker, manager, accountant, corporate executive, construction and building worker, chiropractor, doctor, or dentist. Wherever precision combines with form, or reliable leadership qualities can be brought into play, you have a career possibility"
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/aspectssaturn.htm​
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Hm.. I learned quite a lot! You are indeed very correct!

I've been studying up other types of astrology recently, and I noticed Western astrology is quite different. Even though it shows my many disadvantages, I guess it fails to address the ones I'll eventually overcome at certain points of my life, because these characteristics were more apparent when I was younger. However, regardless of my dominating water influences, I guarantee that at this point in my life, I'm not as introverted, and my skin is thicker than it should get get :joyful: I guess destiny is really what you make of your shortcomings!

May I ask, what do you mean by "kite"?

Thank You, Astrology50 for your time! Your interpretations have been really helpful- it has really opened my eyes!
 
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astrologer50

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Kite
http://www.cafeastrology.com/articles/aspectpatterns.html
“Whenever a person has a kite in his chart, he is considered to be more likely to be successful in his endeavours because the opposition will give him the push to go out and conquer the obstacles that are presented to him, and the sextiles will give him a little bit more harmony once he has achieved his goals.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kite_aspect
http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/aspect-patterns2.html
http://www.evolvingdoor.ca/glossary/glossary_k.htm
 
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