How we will all be spied upon by CIA and others

tsmall

Premium Member
Interesting thread, though I am a latecomer to it. My unacedemic, intelligent and informed opinion is that governments have been spying on and trying to control populations for...as long as there have been governments. Governing is about power. Who has it, who can keep it, and who is willing to do anything to get it.

I do find it surprising that though the idea has been briefly skirted here, no one has really come right out and said that while the CIA, FBI, whatever their equivalents might be in other countries, have the ability (and yes, they have used it) to spy on citizens, the real concern is how Corporations are using the information they have about us. Now, I'm no conspiracy theorist, but isn't anyone else alarmed at how insidious Corporate America has become in trying to assume control of the masses? Targeted advertising, they say. To me, the most upsetting policy-type decision since the first passage of the Patriot Act was the January 2010 decision by the Supreme Court that Corporations had first amendment rights, the same as private individuals. I guess you could say that I'm more concerned about the "others" part of the thread title.
 

Zonark

Well-known member
Interesting thread, though I am a latecomer to it. My unacedemic, intelligent and informed opinion is that governments have been spying on and trying to control populations for...as long as there have been governments. Governing is about power. Who has it, who can keep it, and who is willing to do anything to get it.

I do find it surprising that though the idea has been briefly skirted here, no one has really come right out and said that while the CIA, FBI, whatever their equivalents might be in other countries, have the ability (and yes, they have used it) to spy on citizens, the real concern is how Corporations are using the information they have about us. Now, I'm no conspiracy theorist, but isn't anyone else alarmed at how insidious Corporate America has become in trying to assume control of the masses? Targeted advertising, they say. To me, the most upsetting policy-type decision since the first passage of the Patriot Act was the January 2010 decision by the Supreme Court that Corporations had first amendment rights, the same as private individuals. I guess you could say that I'm more concerned about the "others" part of the thread title.

Trying to assume control is an understatement. They've got the masses dancing like marionettes. It is a rare person indeed who does not sway to the tune of the almighty dollar.
 

waybread

Staff member
Interesting thread, though I am a latecomer to it. My unacedemic, intelligent and informed opinion is that governments have been spying on and trying to control populations for...as long as there have been governments. Governing is about power. Who has it, who can keep it, and who is willing to do anything to get it.

I do find it surprising that though the idea has been briefly skirted here, no one has really come right out and said that while the CIA, FBI, whatever their equivalents might be in other countries, have the ability (and yes, they have used it) to spy on citizens, the real concern is how Corporations are using the information they have about us. Now, I'm no conspiracy theorist, but isn't anyone else alarmed at how insidious Corporate America has become in trying to assume control of the masses? Targeted advertising, they say. To me, the most upsetting policy-type decision since the first passage of the Patriot Act was the January 2010 decision by the Supreme Court that Corporations had first amendment rights, the same as private individuals. I guess you could say that I'm more concerned about the "others" part of the thread title.

Gosh, tsmall-- I thought I had brought this point up several times. The example I've mentioned most is Google. If you have an account with them via gmail, YouTube, Google books, or you use Google as your primary search engine, you essentially signed away your privacy rights as of March 1 of this year. Google Earth also photographs your house occasionally. Facebook isn't much better.

This is why I don't participate on social networking sites or have a Google account.

Monk, thanks for your reply. Those obelisks have been around since the days of the ancient Egyptians, and well-- they did have their symbolism.:wink: Nothing conspiratorial about it.

Zonark, are you a fan of the Dan Brown novels?

MaeMae, since you aren't simply ignoring my posts as I suggested-- just out of curiosity, which of your Constitutional rights do you feel are being violated? The first amendment? The 4th? 9th? The Constitution gives both the federal and state governments the authority to enact laws not expressly unconstitutional.
 

Monk

Premium Member
Yes, Dan Brown does trip over the furniture somewhat, he writes fiction, but lets play!

He mentions Vatican Obelisk!

Link below:-

http://www.lhl.lib.mo.us/events_exhib/exhibit/exhibits/civil/vatican.shtml

Put in place on 28th September 1586, by Pope Sixtus V, any idea how many died in wars between protestants and catholics? Great shame, however it would be funny if it was a secret religion unconnected, woundn't it?

So Waybread be more careful of saying "NO CONSPIRACY"!

By Accurate astronomy on 28th September 1586 in Rome, as Sun rose, Sirius and Isis star culminated, it was electional astrology, very Egyptian isn't it, never heard of Christians having link to Sirius!

Graph below:-

http://2012forum.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4895&mode=view
 
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Monk

Premium Member
Dan Brown writes fiction, but he did write about "The House of the Temple", most powerful masonic temple in the world!

Any idea how it is aligned?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_the_Temple

This is always linked to sunrise, sunset or midnight, with either Sirius or Alnilam on one of the four angles.

Cornerstone was laid on 18th Oct. 1911 and dedicated on 18th Oct. 1915, both dates are aligned to midnight day marker in Washington D.C., SIRIUS rising in East!

Groundbreaking Ceremony took place on 31st May 1911, ancient Greek alignment on previous day at sunset on 30th May 1911, as Sun set in Washington D.C. SO DOES SIRIUS, graphs on link:-

http://2012forum.com/forum/download/file.php?id=5186&mode=view
 
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Monk

Premium Member
Lets see what was rising with Sun on 4th July 1776 at right location...it was Alnilam, Osiris star, although some links will argue that Sirius was involved, but they are using inaccurate Projected measure, i'm an Astronomer!

No doubt JupiterAsc will be interested how far Sirius was from rising Sun on date, it is shown on link, hell does it matter, Alnilam was rising!

http://2012forum.com/forum/download/file.php?id=5088&mode=view
 

Monk

Premium Member
Bad move mentioning Dan Brown, Waybread!

Yes he trips over furniture, and he writes fiction, but love the Abino SILAS, that was always flogging himself, so he should, oops member of Opus Dei, ha ha!

Hi JupiterAsc, WHEN WAS OPUS DEI ESTABLISHED, they say in Madrid it was a vision, i can say it wasn't, and show it, perhaps they should whip themselves more ha ha!
 

Monk

Premium Member
Moderator may find last statement on the line, but Opus Dei do whip themselves, please wait for us to establish date of Opus Dei, before you whip me!
 

Monk

Premium Member
Even to get to the truth with Gregorian Calendar, we must note summer time now in Southern Hemisphere, only put in place in early years of 20th Century, long after Pope Gregory XIII, this is Winter months (Summer Time in Southern Hemisphere).

But Trains changed everything from local time to Greenwich Mean Time, in London Suburbs...everything now is rounded off to the hour, thus you may not understand link below, but i could explain as an astronomer!

Lovely aligned to Sirius!

http://earthsky.org/tonight/star-sirius-torchbearer-of-the-new-year
 

MaeMae

Banned
beware the directions prodded toward ruin.
or something like that.
i hope to inspire others to think for themselves.
to speak for themselves.
to act for themselves.
if other people believe the same, i will support them.
any entity/person who wants to convince others it can't happen, when it already has, again and again, has a much different agenda than mine.
watership down ~ the death lair poet carrot~riddled sanctuary from the rain.

i am the u.s. government's enemy.
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
Bad move mentioning Dan Brown, Waybread!

Yes he trips over furniture, and he writes fiction, but love the Abino SILAS, that was always flogging himself, so he should, oops member of Opus Dei, ha ha!


Hi JupiterAsc, WHEN WAS OPUS DEI ESTABLISHED, they say in Madrid it was a vision, i can say it wasn't, and show it, perhaps they should whip themselves more ha ha!
You sound remarkably Sirius Monk - here's something Dan Brown tripped over, yet did not discover in that mysterious, murky, unreliable junkyard of "Official History":smile:

QUOTE FROM http://www.ewtn.com/library/curia/cbisutsi.htm

"UT SIT" THE APOSTOLIC CONSTITUTION
Pope John Paul II
Erecting Opus Dei as the first Personal Prelature of the Catholic Church
For A Permanent Record Of The Matter

With very great hope, the Church directs its attention and maternal care to Opus Dei, which—by divine inspiration—the Servant of God Josemaria Escriva de Balaguer founded in Madrid on October 2, 1928, so that it may always be an apt and effective instrument of the salvific mission which the Church carries out for the life of the world.
 

waybread

Staff member
Monk, I was thinking about Dan Brown's thriller, The Lost Symbol. Lots of conspiracies in the government there. It reads better and is more ingenious than a lot of conspiracy blogs.
 

Zonark

Well-known member
Monk, I was thinking about Dan Brown's thriller, The Lost Symbol. Lots of conspiracies in the government there. It reads better and is more ingenious than a lot of conspiracy blogs.

Well it is a work of fiction! Have you ever read Robert Anton Wilson's conspiracy fiction? The Illuminatus! trilogy has been referred to as "a fairy tale for paranoids" :lol:
 

waybread

Staff member
I haven't read this, Zonark. Do you recommend it? Just because men in black suits are following me, and my movements are being monitored through my smallpox vaccination, doesn't mean I'm paranoid, however.
 

Zonark

Well-known member
I haven't read this, Zonark. Do you recommend it? Just because men in black suits are following me, and my movements are being monitored through my smallpox vaccination, doesn't mean I'm paranoid, however.

The Illuminatus! Trilogy is recognized as the seminal work that spawned the conspiracy theory fiction genre.

It's a bit over the top with the sex and violence and definitely very zany in how it's presented but what I find most enjoyable about it, is that it never takes itself too seriously (as was Wilson's style). It makes so many references to actual conspiracy theories and occult mysteries that I've probably only sussed out less than half of them and it weaves them all together brilliantly in a most bizarre, contradictory, humorous and subjective way. I read it as a teenager and it had an unhealthily significant impact on my thinking :w00t:

Wilson is the original conspiracy fantasy author. He certainly doesn't get the appreciation or credit he deserves for it. He's also written a bit of philosophy and psychology at a time when his thoughts on such things as quantum discoveries impacts on the psyche where absolute genius, far before these watered down, cult fueled documentaries and New Age books like What The Bleep Do We Know? and The Secret. I haven't read Dan Brown's books, but I'm confident that he's got nothing on Wilson. I'm even more confident he's simply not as funny.

The humor is at times very self referential too, for instance within the book there is a review lambasting it;

"It's a dreadfully long monster of a book, [...] and I certainly won't have time to read it, but I'm giving it a thorough skimming. The authors are utterly incompetent—no sense of style or structure at all. It starts out as a detective story, switches to science-fiction, then goes off into the supernatural, and is full of the most detailed information of dozens of ghastly boring subjects. And the time sequence is all out of order in a very pretentious imitation of Faulkner and Joyce. Worst yet, it has the most raunchy sex scenes, thrown in just to make it sell, I'm sure, and the authors—whom I've never heard of—have the supreme bad taste to introduce real political figures into this mishmash and pretend to be exposing a real conspiracy. You can be sure I won't waste time reading such rubbish."
 
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Monk

Premium Member
Each thread section is for a different member, we will start with information that JupiterAsc has produced, thank you!

Opus Dei was established on 2nd October 1928 in Madrid, Spain, i will show astronomy pictures, Madrid is in Northern Hemisphere, thus if i wanted to show the middle of sky as Sun rises, you must draw a straight line up from South!

Rather than a vision, i would say this is Sun and Sirius worship, i don't have anything against Sun and Sirius worship, as long as religions are honest, also politics shouldn't be connected to religion, many wars have similiar alignments!

Please scroll down link below to "History" that will give date, please note dispute about Opus Dei, many feel it is "Christian Masonry!"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opus_Dei

Graph on attachment, you may have to left click on image several times to make larger and clearer:-
 

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Monk

Premium Member
Hi Waybread,

Sorry i didn't know you wanted areas mentioned just in "The Lost Symbol", i must admit i did include icons from "The Da Vinci Code" by same author.

The Washington Monument had its "Cornerstone" on 4th July 1848, we can look at that if you wish, please indicate if you want to go further with the Washington Monument, link below:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Monument
 

Monk

Premium Member
Hi Zonark,

Yes, i did find the Illuminatus Trilogy funny, however in 1995 Steve Jackson made a card game out of Robert Anton Wilson's books...i must admit i didn't find the cards funny at all, it is well documented that "Two Towers Card" and "Pentagon Card" was produced in 1995, six years before 9/11, indeed it has cult following, today the cards are not in newer packs, however you can buy 1995 pack on Ebay for a price!

Thats not so funny! link below:-

http://www.rinf.com/news/jun-05/16b.html
 
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