How to Recognize Physical Beauty

Animatrix

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Animatrix - there is something to said about a lack of questions when it comes to research (which is what I'm interested in). The intensity of the eyes is a physical feature. If you don't believe Putin's eyes say "Pluto" even when he meets your criteria, we're operating on different standards. Mine being more consistent than yours. I don't compile information for fun I do it to hopefully distribute for blog discussions, and maybe even source/reference information if the data supports it.

Your aspects are showing up simultaneously with a different pattern, there is a question to be answered there. And you're contradicting yourself repeatedly. Meghan Foxx - Pluto Conjunction MC
Putin - Venus on the ASC
Charlize - Venus on the ASC
You mention the number of charts you've done but you aren't concerned with statistics?

I may peek back in but I think this discussion has served it's purpose.

I'm interested in statistics, but you have to look at the principles as well.
This is a thread about physical Beauty. I have shown a great deal of examples of a certain type of sexual charisma that is appealing to many. The biggest sex symbols have Plutonic aspects to their Sun/asc. I've clearly shown that. That there are exceptions, is not strange, because there are Always exceptions, and not everyone is receptive to Plutonic charm. I'm not particularly receptive to the Neptunian type of charm. Megan Fox is Beautiful, looks very Martian, but I don't find her nowhere near as attractive and sexually magnetic as Grace Kelly or Ingrid Bergman. A lot of people agrees with me, some don't.

Brad Pitt is known first and foremost because of his looks. "Brad Pitt" has become synonymous with being good looking. Errol Flynn was most noted for his sexual charisma as well. You cannot say that about Putin or Ben Stiller. Putin will be remembered as an aggressive politican, not a sex Icon. Putin is intense and mysterious, but he does not radiate sex like Elvis Presley or Brad Pitt. Ben Stiller will be known for his acting. And Sun-Pluto, Asc-Pluto, Asc-Venus aspects are so common, so not every person with them will be a sex symbol. We cannot have this discussion entirely on scientific and statistical terms since Beauty is to a certain degree, subjective. I see the Plutonic charm so clearly, and I've never seen it in a chart without an aspect of Pluto to Sun or the Ascendant. Never.
 

InfoOverload2

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I'm interested in statistics, but you have to look at the principles as well.
This is a thread about physical Beauty. I have shown a great deal of examples of a certain type of sexual charisma that is appealing to many. The biggest sex symbols have Plutonic aspects to their Sun/asc. I've clearly shown that. That there are exceptions, is not strange, because there are Always exceptions, and not everyone is receptive to Plutonic charm. I'm not particularly receptive to the Neptunian type of charm. Megan Fox is Beautiful, looks very Martian, but I don't find her nowhere near as attractive and sexually magnetic as Grace Kelly or Ingrid Bergman. A lot of people agrees with me, some don't.

Brad Pitt is known first and foremost because of his looks. "Brad Pitt" has become synonymous with being good looking. Errol Flynn was most noted for his sexual charisma as well. You cannot say that about Putin or Ben Stiller. Putin will be remembered as an aggressive politican, not a sex Icon. Putin is intense and mysterious, but he does not radiate sex like Elvis Presley or Brad Pitt. Ben Stiller will be known for his acting. And Sun-Pluto, Asc-Pluto, Asc-Venus aspects are so common, so not every person with them will be a sex symbol. We cannot have this discussion entirely on scientific and statistical terms since Beauty is to a certain degree, subjective. I see the Plutonic charm so clearly, and I've never seen it in a chart without an aspect of Pluto to Sun or the Ascendant. Never.

Okay my only point was that there are be more patterns to this besides the Sun/Pluto or ASC/Pluto..
Grace Kelly:
Pluto 19°32' Я Cancer
Venus Conjunction AS Orb 5°50'
Venus House 12
Mars Trine Pluto Orb 6°06'
Venus Sextile Neptune Orb 4°34'


Ingrid Bergman
Pluto 3°04' Cancer
Venus Conjunction AS Orb 9°08'
Venus 0°41' @ 0 degrees House 1
Mars Conjunction Pluto Orb 3°10'
Venus SemiSextile Neptune Orb 0°45'

Charlize
Venus Conjunction AS Orb 3°38'
Venus House 12
Venus Square Neptune Orb 2°36
Has Sun & Moon conjunct, Moon conjunct Pluto but not sun?

Not to mention Charlize, Ingrid and Grace all have Jupiter in the 8th.

Meghan
Neptune Sextile MC Orb 5°04'[/B] (Grace)
Neptune Sextile Pluto Orb 0°00' Charlize)
Neptune House 12 (Ingrid)
Pluto Conjunct MC - Your example



So your theory isn't wrong but I personally want to find out more about the 12th house, and I do believe you're casting to wide of a net with the sex symbol. I'm happy just looking at one physical feature
 

Animatrix

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Okay my only point was that there are be more patterns to this besides the Sun/Pluto or ASC/Pluto..
Grace Kelly:
Pluto 19°32' Я Cancer
Venus Conjunction AS Orb 5°50'
Venus House 12
Mars Trine Pluto Orb 6°06'
Venus Sextile Neptune Orb 4°34'


Ingrid Bergman
Pluto 3°04' Cancer
Venus Conjunction AS Orb 9°08'
Venus 0°41' @ 0 degrees House 1
Mars Conjunction Pluto Orb 3°10'
Venus SemiSextile Neptune Orb 0°45'

Charlize
Venus Conjunction AS Orb 3°38'
Venus House 12
Venus Square Neptune Orb 2°36
Has Sun & Moon conjunct, Moon conjunct Pluto but not sun?

Not to mention Charlize, Ingrid and Grace all have Jupiter in the 8th.

Meghan
Neptune Sextile MC Orb 5°04'[/B] (Grace)
Neptune Sextile Pluto Orb 0°00' Charlize)
Neptune House 12 (Ingrid)
Pluto Conjunct MC - Your example



So your theory isn't wrong but I personally want to find out more about the 12th house, and I do believe you're casting to wide of a net with the sex symbol. I'm happy just looking at one physical feature

The 12th house has nothing to do with appearance. The Ascendant and the rest of the 1st house, and the Sun and its aspects are what influences the appearance the most. It is well known and beyond discussion that planets influence the ascendant (the appearance, face and body), that Jupiter gives a joval touch to the face, that Sun makes it sunny, lighter and honorable, that Neptune softens features etc. My theory is not just statistical, it makes sense as well. Pluto (sex, power, magnetism) in Connection to the ascendant (the body, appearance and face in particular), or the Sun (the inner self, the Eyes, the ego and persona). Your 12th house theory needs a rationale. It is so common to find planets in the 12th house. I've never read anywhere that one should look to the 12th house to find out about appearances.

And Charlize is not plutonic, not at all.
 
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Animatrix

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Just Went through a top 25 list of models: http://list25.com/25-greatest-fashion-models-of-all-time/

It's not my list and I don't find many of them attractive, but obviously many people do. It turns out that the majority of them Venus and/or Pluto aspects to Sun and/or Ascendant. I included some others from Another list, and a few had not exact birth date. But there are only 1-2 exceptions.

Gia Carangi – Venus square Ascendant, Venus trine Pluto.
Cindy Crawford – Pluto sextile Ascendant, Venus opposition Ascendant.
Naomi Campbell – Pluto trine Ascendant, Sun trine Pluto, Venus square Pluto, Venus inconjunction Ascendant.
Tyra Banks – Sun sextile Pluto, Venus opposition Ascendant.
Linda Evangelista – Sun trine Pluto, Sun conjunction Venus (birth time unknown)
Kate Moss – Venus opposition Ascendant, Venus trine Pluto, Pluto sextile Ascendant.
Heidi Klum – Venus sextile Ascendant, Venus square Pluto.
Gisele Bündchen – Pluto square Ascendant, Venus trine Pluto.
Twiggy – Venus square Ascendant.
Claudia Schiffer – Pluto semi-square Ascendant (very tight orb)
Estelle Lefébure – Sun trine Pluto, Pluto sextile Ascendant, Venus bi-quintile Ascendant.
Helena Christensen – Venus trine Ascendant, Pluto semi-sextile Ascendant.
Laetitia Casta – Pluto conjunction Ascendant, Sun bi-quintile Pluto, Venus trine Pluto.
Elle MacPherson – Sun inconjunction Pluto, Pluto trine Ascendant
Stephanie Seymour – Pluto semi-sextile Ascendant, Sun conjunction Venus.
Adriana Lima – Pluto bi-quintile Ascendant, Venus trine Ascendant, Sun trine Pluto.
Christy Turlington – Pluto square Ascendant, Venus sextile Ascendant.
Cheryl Tiegs – Venus square Ascendant.
Paulina Porizkova – Sun bi-quintile Pluto, Sun conjunction Venus (unknown birth time)
Janice Dickinson – Sun opposition Pluto. (Unknown birth time)
Jean Shrimpton – Sun square Pluto, Venus square Pluto.
 

JUPITERASC

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Oh my!

How could I forget? ELVIS PRESLEY! Is there any star in the Music history who has so symbolized sex as he did? I do not Think so... let us look at his chart.

Elvis Presley has:
Sun opposite Pluto
Venus opposite Pluto
Ascendant sesqui-quadrate Pluto

Both Pluto and Venus are in aspect to his midheaven, his public, sexual persona.

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Classic Plutonic charisma. The characteristic half-open mouth, showing the teeth, and the intense, piercing and playful Eyes.

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InfoOverload2

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Just Went through a top 25 list of models: http://list25.com/25-greatest-fashion-models-of-all-time/

It's not my list and I don't find many of them attractive, but obviously many people do. It turns out that the majority of them Venus and/or Pluto aspects to Sun and/or Ascendant. I included some others from Another list, and a few had not exact birth date. But there are only 1-2 exceptions.

Gia Carangi – Venus square Ascendant, Venus trine Pluto.
Cindy Crawford – Pluto sextile Ascendant, Venus opposition Ascendant.
Naomi Campbell – Pluto trine Ascendant, Sun trine Pluto, Venus square Pluto, Venus inconjunction Ascendant.
Tyra Banks – Sun sextile Pluto, Venus opposition Ascendant.
Linda Evangelista – Sun trine Pluto, Sun conjunction Venus (birth time unknown)
Kate Moss – Venus opposition Ascendant, Venus trine Pluto, Pluto sextile Ascendant.
Heidi Klum – Venus sextile Ascendant, Venus square Pluto.
Gisele Bündchen – Pluto square Ascendant, Venus trine Pluto.
Twiggy – Venus square Ascendant.
Claudia Schiffer – Pluto semi-square Ascendant (very tight orb)
Estelle Lefébure – Sun trine Pluto, Pluto sextile Ascendant, Venus bi-quintile Ascendant.
Helena Christensen – Venus trine Ascendant, Pluto semi-sextile Ascendant.
Laetitia Casta – Pluto conjunction Ascendant, Sun bi-quintile Pluto, Venus trine Pluto.
Elle MacPherson – Sun inconjunction Pluto, Pluto trine Ascendant
Stephanie Seymour – Pluto semi-sextile Ascendant, Sun conjunction Venus.
Adriana Lima – Pluto bi-quintile Ascendant, Venus trine Ascendant, Sun trine Pluto.
Christy Turlington – Pluto square Ascendant, Venus sextile Ascendant.
Cheryl Tiegs – Venus square Ascendant.
Paulina Porizkova – Sun bi-quintile Pluto, Sun conjunction Venus (unknown birth time)
Janice Dickinson – Sun opposition Pluto. (Unknown birth time)
Jean Shrimpton – Sun square Pluto, Venus square Pluto.

I signed up for astrobank's raw data license so I'll send you the results from this. I'm NOT trying to prove you wrong I'm asking a question
 

Animatrix

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I signed up for astrobank's raw data license so I'll send you the results from this. I'm NOT trying to prove you wrong I'm asking a question

Alright, ja let's do it, I'm not offended by you in any way don't worry. But it is interesting because I Believe, that if science could once and for all prove that astrology is true and correct, and that it works, which I am sure to a 100% that it does - it will be done by this. In no other area is astrology so blatantly clear as it is in this - the question about Beauty and sex appeal. We could easily go through thousands of charts and put up statistics. I have honestly Went through so many charts I have lost the numbers. But if we could write down at least 250 people who are regarded mostly because of their sex appeal, and then find the Connection in their charts (which is what I Believe; Pluto and/or Venus aspecting Sun and/or ascendant), and then compare it to people who are regarded as "normal" then I am pretty sure that we will come up with numbers that will speak strongly in favor of "my" theory (I have seen maaaaaaaaaaaany astrologers claiming what I claim, and especially Venus-Ascendant is regarded in astrology literature as a Beauty aspect).
 

JUPITERASC

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Is it because of envy that you post Pictures of Elvis when he had destroyed himself?
Elvis was a sex symbol.
No one comes even Close to his level of stage charisma.
Nobody.
Clealy you misunderstood :smile:
Elvis
even when "destroyed"
increased his popularity
and so
transient physical beauty
is not the cause of Elvis popularity
 

Animatrix

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Clealy you misunderstood :smile:
Elvis
even when "destroyed"
increased his popularity
and so
transient physical beauty
is not the cause of Elvis popularity

My bad, sorry.

Errol Flynn was the same. He was totally broken in his late 40's but even at that Point he attracted women like a magnet. He never lost his innate charisma. Pluto aspecting the Sun also gives magnificent vitality, more than the Sun and Mars put together. So they have a lot of energy and this plays a huge part in their attractiveness. Always looking for new experiences, new things, new kicks.
 

Animatrix

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Monica Bellucci - Pluto trine Ascendant.
Audrey Hepburn - Venus sextile Ascendant, Sun sextile Pluto.
Brigitte Bardot - Venus square Ascendant.
Elizabeth Taylor - Venus trine Ascendant, Pluto bi-quintile Ascendant, Sun sesqui-quadrate Pluto.
Marilyn Monroe - Pluto semi-sextile Ascendant.
Sophia Loren - Venus trine Ascendant, Sun sextile Pluto.
Jessica Biel - Venus sextile Ascendant, Sun sesqui-quadrate Pluto.
Natalie Wood - Sun conjunct Pluto, Pluto quintile Ascendant.
Raquel Welch - Venus inconjunct Ascendant.
Kim Novak - Venus conjunct Ascendant, Sun inconjunct Pluto.
Elizabeth Hurley - Sun square Pluto, Pluto sextile Ascendant, Venus conjunct Ascendant.
Charlize Theron - Venus conjunct Ascendant.
Hedy Lamarr - Pluto conjunct Ascendant, Venus inconjunct Ascendant.
Rachel Weisz - Sun opposite Pluto (unknown birth time).
Rita Hayworth - Venus bi-quintile Ascendant, Pluto semi-square Ascendant.
Jane Seymour - Sun opposite Pluto (unknown birth time).
Rachel McAdams - Venus conjunct Ascendant.
Diane Lane - Sun sesqui-quadrate Pluto (unknown birth time).
Catherine Deneuve - Pluto inconjunct Ascendant, Venus trine Ascendant.
Ann-Margret - Venus semi-sextile Ascendant, Sun Square Pluto.
Ursula Andress - Pluto conjunct Ascendant, Venus bi-quintile Ascendant, Sun trine Pluto.
Sharon Stone - Pluto conjunct Ascendant.
Catherine Zeta-Jones - Pluto square Ascendant, Sun conjunct Pluto.
Madeleine Stowe - Sun conjunct Pluto (unknown birth time).
Kim Basinger - Venus sextile Ascendant.
Eva Green - Venus quintile Ascendant, Sun square Pluto.
Amy Adams - Pluto trine Ascendant, Venus sextile Ascendant.
Naomi Watts - Pluto sextile Ascendant.
Ava Gardner - Venus trine Ascendant, Sun opposite Pluto.
Lynda Carter - Pluto sextile Ascendant.
Sophie Marceau - Pluto conjunct Ascendant, Venus sextile Ascendant, Sun sextile Pluto.
Amber Heard - Sun opposite Pluto (unknown birth time).
Cybill Shepherd - Venus trine Ascendant.
Heather Locklear - Venus inconjunct Ascendant.
Liv Tyler - Pluto square Ascendant, Sun square Pluto.
Heather Graham - Venus opposite Ascendant, Sun sesqui-quadrate Pluto.
Ingrid Bergman - Venus conjunct Ascendant, Sun sextile Pluto.
Nathalie Portman - Venus trine Ascendant, Sun trine Pluto.
Brooke Shields - Venus conjunct Ascendant, Pluto conjunct Ascendant, Sun square Pluto.
Kate Beckinsale - Sun sextile Pluto (unknown birth time).

I Went through this list this time: https://www.ranker.com/crowdranked-list/most-beautiful-actresses-ever

The list goes on forever but I have checked now 50 more charts. The top50 I have checked. Only one in top10 lacked any aspect between Venus, Pluto and Sun/Ascendant and that was Michelle Pfeiffer. The other exceptions were far down the list; Jennifer Connelly lacks Sun-Pluto aspect, but her birth time is unknown, and she has Jupiter, Venus and Mars in Scorpio. Nicole Kidman lacks any aspect of Venus or Pluto to Sun and Ascendant. Her Venus is, however, conjunct her Midheaven and her Ascendant is Scorpio. Vivien Leigh is an exception, she is, however, a Scorpio Sun. Rebecca Romijn is an exception as well, but she is a Scorpio aswell... She has Venus conjunct Pluto also. It seems as if there is a strong link between sexual charisma and Venus-Pluto contacts as well. Her Sun, Moon and Midheaven are all in Scorpio.

Jacqueline Bisset is another exception; the only possible Pluto-sexual aspect she has is Venus sextile Pluto. No planets in Scorpio. It is however impossible to know if Pluto and/or Venus is making an aspect to her Ascendant, since her birth time is unknown.

Jaclyn Smith's Sun is in Scorpio. Her birth time is unknown. So one cannot know if Pluto and Venus aspects her Ascendant or not. Venus is making a sextile to Pluto in her chart.

Milla Jovovich is an exception, but her Venus is in Scorpio making a semi-sextile to her Pluto.

Scarlett Johansson is the last exception, but her Moon, POF, Saturn and Pluto are all in Scorpio. Her Venus is trine her Midheaven. I read a book written by an author who claimed that Midheaven also influences appearance to a certain extent, not as much as the Sun and Ascendant though, but since the MC is our public face it makes sense.

It's interesting because 50 supermodels voted by thousands of people to be the hottest actresses of all time, almost ALL had Venus/Pluto to Sun/Asc.

There were 9 exceptions to the rule, and birth time is unknown for 3 of them.
And the rest had other Scorpionic influences that possibly adds, no matter how small, a touch of sexiness to their looks and persona's.

It's pretty safe to assume that to be a sex symbol, one has to have Pluto and/or Venus aspecting Sun and/or Ascendant, or at least have some major Scorpionic influence in the chart, preferably to Venus and Venus-Pluto contacts. Sex appeal will probably not, however, be as strong as when Sun and Ascendant are aspected by Venus/Pluto. The most magnetic ones are those with Venus in aspect to the Ascendant and Sun in aspect to Pluto.
 
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InfoOverload2

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Alright, ja let's do it, I'm not offended by you in any way don't worry. But it is interesting because I Believe, that if science could once and for all prove that astrology is true and correct, and that it works, which I am sure to a 100% that it does - it will be done by this. In no other area is astrology so blatantly clear as it is in this - the question about Beauty and sex appeal. We could easily go through thousands of charts and put up statistics. I have honestly Went through so many charts I have lost the numbers. But if we could write down at least 250 people who are regarded mostly because of their sex appeal, and then find the Connection in their charts (which is what I Believe; Pluto and/or Venus aspecting Sun and/or ascendant), and then compare it to people who are regarded as "normal" then I am pretty sure that we will come up with numbers that will speak strongly in favor of "my" theory (I have seen maaaaaaaaaaaany astrologers claiming what I claim, and especially Venus-Ascendant is regarded in astrology literature as a Beauty aspect).

Exactly! It's not changing the world but it's something
 

InfoOverload2

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Monica Bellucci - Pluto trine Ascendant.
Audrey Hepburn - Venus sextile Ascendant, Sun sextile Pluto.
Brigitte Bardot - Venus square Ascendant.
Elizabeth Taylor - Venus trine Ascendant, Pluto bi-quintile Ascendant, Sun sesqui-quadrate Pluto.
Marilyn Monroe - Pluto semi-sextile Ascendant.
Sophia Loren - Venus trine Ascendant, Sun sextile Pluto.
Jessica Biel - Venus sextile Ascendant, Sun sesqui-quadrate Pluto.
Natalie Wood - Sun conjunct Pluto, Pluto quintile Ascendant.
Raquel Welch - Venus inconjunct Ascendant.
Kim Novak - Venus conjunct Ascendant, Sun inconjunct Pluto.
Elizabeth Hurley - Sun square Pluto, Pluto sextile Ascendant, Venus conjunct Ascendant.
Charlize Theron - Venus conjunct Ascendant.
Hedy Lamarr - Pluto conjunct Ascendant, Venus inconjunct Ascendant.
Rachel Weisz - Sun opposite Pluto (unknown birth time).
Rita Hayworth - Venus bi-quintile Ascendant, Pluto semi-square Ascendant.
Jane Seymour - Sun opposite Pluto (unknown birth time).
Rachel McAdams - Venus conjunct Ascendant.
Diane Lane - Sun sesqui-quadrate Pluto (unknown birth time).
Catherine Deneuve - Pluto inconjunct Ascendant, Venus trine Ascendant.
Ann-Margret - Venus semi-sextile Ascendant, Sun Square Pluto.
Ursula Andress - Pluto conjunct Ascendant, Venus bi-quintile Ascendant, Sun trine Pluto.
Sharon Stone - Pluto conjunct Ascendant.
Catherine Zeta-Jones - Pluto square Ascendant, Sun conjunct Pluto.
Madeleine Stowe - Sun conjunct Pluto (unknown birth time).
Kim Basinger - Venus sextile Ascendant.
Eva Green - Venus quintile Ascendant, Sun square Pluto.
Amy Adams - Pluto trine Ascendant, Venus sextile Ascendant.
Naomi Watts - Pluto sextile Ascendant.
Ava Gardner - Venus trine Ascendant, Sun opposite Pluto.
Lynda Carter - Pluto sextile Ascendant.
Sophie Marceau - Pluto conjunct Ascendant, Venus sextile Ascendant, Sun sextile Pluto.
Amber Heard - Sun opposite Pluto (unknown birth time).
Cybill Shepherd - Venus trine Ascendant.
Heather Locklear - Venus inconjunct Ascendant.
Liv Tyler - Pluto square Ascendant, Sun square Pluto.
Heather Graham - Venus opposite Ascendant, Sun sesqui-quadrate Pluto.
Ingrid Bergman - Venus conjunct Ascendant, Sun sextile Pluto.
Nathalie Portman - Venus trine Ascendant, Sun trine Pluto.
Brooke Shields - Venus conjunct Ascendant, Pluto conjunct Ascendant, Sun square Pluto.
Kate Beckinsale - Sun sextile Pluto (unknown birth time).

I Went through this list this time: https://www.ranker.com/crowdranked-list/most-beautiful-actresses-ever

The list goes on forever but I have checked now 50 more charts. The top50 I have checked. Only one in top10 lacked any aspect between Venus, Pluto and Sun/Ascendant and that was Michelle Pfeiffer. The other exceptions were far down the list; Jennifer Connelly lacks Sun-Pluto aspect, but her birth time is unknown, and she has Jupiter, Venus and Mars in Scorpio. Nicole Kidman lacks any aspect of Venus or Pluto to Sun and Ascendant. Her Venus is, however, conjunct her Midheaven and her Ascendant is Scorpio. Vivien Leigh is an exception, she is, however, a Scorpio Sun. Rebecca Romijn is an exception as well, but she is a Scorpio aswell... She has Venus conjunct Pluto also. It seems as if there is a strong link between sexual charisma and Venus-Pluto contacts as well. Her Sun, Moon and Midheaven are all in Scorpio.

Jacqueline Bisset is another exception; the only possible Pluto-sexual aspect she has is Venus sextile Pluto. No planets in Scorpio. It is however impossible to know if Pluto and/or Venus is making an aspect to her Ascendant, since her birth time is unknown.

Jaclyn Smith's Sun is in Scorpio. Her birth time is unknown. So one cannot know if Pluto and Venus aspects her Ascendant or not. Venus is making a sextile to Pluto in her chart.

Milla Jovovich is an exception, but her Venus is in Scorpio making a semi-sextile to her Pluto.

Scarlett Johansson is the last exception, but her Moon, POF, Saturn and Pluto are all in Scorpio. Her Venus is trine her Midheaven. I read a book written by an author who claimed that Midheaven also influences appearance to a certain extent, not as much as the Sun and Ascendant though, but since the MC is our public face it makes sense.

It's interesting because 50 supermodels voted by thousands of people to be the hottest actresses of all time, almost ALL had Venus/Pluto to Sun/Asc.

There were 9 exceptions to the rule, and birth time is unknown for 3 of them.
And the rest had other Scorpionic influences that possibly adds, no matter how small, a touch of sexiness to their looks and persona's.

It's pretty safe to assume that to be a sex symbol, one has to have Pluto and/or Venus aspecting Sun and/or Ascendant, or at least have some major Scorpionic influence in the chart, preferably to Venus and Venus-Pluto contacts. Sex appeal will probably not, however, be as strong as when Sun and Ascendant are aspected by Venus/Pluto. The most magnetic ones are those with Venus in aspect to the Ascendant and Sun in aspect to Pluto.

And I think our disconnect is my interest in the 12th house (since I started astrology) and you already have your connection. I can't say that you're wrong..it's showing up. But as I stated I know people who aren't considered physically stunning who have your aspects. They have the eyes though, which adds to sex appeal..and they have 12th house significance, 8th house very busy, or Pluto in 8th

So overall attraction..what makes someone a super model is in other aspects. If they have 12th house, 8th house, or Pluto in 8th..then they're a sex symbol (super attractive and sexual). << This is my hypothesis
 
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love-thinking

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If Pluto aspects the MC and mars without aspecting Sun or Ascendant I have not seen the plutonic charm. But I've met two people in my Life, a man who had all his personal planets aspected by Pluto, and a girl who had ALL her Points in the natal chart aspected to Pluto, and these two are the most attractive persons I've ever come across in real Life. Both had an unmistakable sexual aura. The man resembled Brad Pitt, and the woman slightly resembled Grace Kelly. The same type of charm and charisma. The man was Aries, the girl was Sagittarius.

My sister is very vain and loves her appearance, and Girls have bullied her for appearance I guess. She says that women hates her because of the appearance. My sister is not like Ingrid Bergman or so, she has a very childlike appearance. My sister is in her late 20's, but she pretty much looks like a teenager still. Soft features, very thin, pale, nervous and gives the impression of a fragile person. Men have Always liked her, especially older men, so she have received a lot of help from men in her Life. Women though seem to actually hate her really. But she is very egotistical herself, like passive-aggressive. My sister has a Libra ascendant. Her Sun is conjunct her Venus. Her Moon-Pluto opposition is almost exact if I remember correctly.

Brad Pitt for instance, has no major Plutonic influence in his chart. Pluto is Square his ascendant but that's about it. It does not aspect his Sun or Venus. But Uranus is conjunct his Pluto, and Mars is trine to Pluto. It might be as if Mars is adding fire to his Pluto, and Uranus is electrifying it with energy. But now I'm just speculating. His appearance doubtless made him the superstar he is today and his Venus is trine Midheaven, and Venus is conjunct Moon also. Venus-Moon Contacts denotes popularity in men I've read. But having said this, I'm pretty certain that it is Pluto in Square to his Ascendant that gives his sex appeal most Power. Why do I Think that? Because I'm highly analytical, and I can see his special charisma in others, and they all have Pluto to their Sun/Ascendant. The man I saw in real Life who had Pluto aspecting all his planets had the same small, blue, intense Eyes as Brad Pitt. The same gaze. Many Girls were obsessed with him. We were friends and I often praised his looks, but he didn't actually seem to care much about it.

One thing I do remember however, to tell an anecdote, is how he seduced Girls with such easiness. He wasn't self-conscious or acting, it all came very natural to him, difficult to explain if you've not seen it with your own Eyes. But I thought it was all pretty fascinating. He would stare and get Close without becoming creepy at all. When we were out I remember very clearly how nervous women became around him. He was not intimidating at all, because he was a nice guy, but not a wimp. He was not a fighter, and of a rather thin but well built body. He looked younger than his years, still people became very nervous and sometimes even pathetic around him. In spite of his rather boyish appearance, women became sort of submissive to him.

Your sister sounds like me minus the really thin part. Moon in Taurus, what can I say? I am very concious about my weight. I have had bulimic tendencies and I think it has to do with the moon Pluto opposition. I'm at a healthy weight. And I love older men! I also do think Ingrid can have tendencies to look plutonic because of her eyebrows. Thick eyebrows can lead one to look intense. Bushy or thick eye brows can give off a Scorpio or Virgo feel. Also I want to add Venus conjunct ascendent can easily give a Pluto feel or have the Pluto look because Taurus and Scorpio are opposite signs and a lot of the times those two signs are confused for one another. So Ingrid has a Virgo ascendent which is an earth sign with Venus conjunct it, this can easily give off the slightly intense look you're talking about. Earth signs are meloncholic and that's easily confused for scorpios sadness. Charlize theoron doesn't have that intense sophisticated look because her ascendent is a fire sign. Fire signs and air signs don't have intensity. Earth signs and Scorpio and even cancer to an extent tend to have that sad, yet classy gaze you find sexy.

I think you'll love Lana del Rey. She has everything you are talking about.

Also weight, and hair can drastically change a person's appearance and feel to their appearance. My uncle looked like a Capricorn when he was younger as he was stick skinny and now having aged he looks like a compassionate cancer. But I bet he's a Taurus because of his square head.
 

InfoOverload2

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Your sister sounds like me minus the really thin part. Moon in Taurus, what can I say? I am very concious about my weight. I have had bulimic tendencies and I think it has to do with the moon Pluto opposition. I'm at a healthy weight. And I love older men! I also do think Ingrid can have tendencies to look plutonic because of her eyebrows. Thick eyebrows can lead one to look intense. Bushy or thick eye brows can give off a Scorpio or Virgo feel. Also I want to add Venus conjunct ascendent can easily give a Pluto feel or have the Pluto look because Taurus and Scorpio are opposite signs and a lot of the times those two signs are confused for one another. So Ingrid has a Virgo ascendent which is an earth sign with Venus conjunct it, this can easily give off the slightly intense look you're talking about. Earth signs are meloncholic and that's easily confused for scorpios sadness. Charlize theoron doesn't have that intense sophisticated look because her ascendent is a fire sign. Fire signs and air signs don't have intensity. Earth signs and Scorpio and even cancer to an extent tend to have that sad, yet classy gaze you find sexy.

I think you'll love Lana del Rey. She has everything you are talking about.

Also weight, and hair can drastically change a person's appearance and feel to their appearance. My uncle looked like a Capricorn when he was younger as he was stick skinny and now having aged he looks like a compassionate cancer. But I bet he's a Taurus because of his square head.

If Venus is in the 12th house conjunct ASC
Or if Venus is conjunct ASC with major planets in the 12th
 

Animatrix

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And I think our disconnect is my interest in the 12th house (since I started astrology) and you already have your connection. I can't say that you're wrong..it's showing up. But as I stated I know people who aren't considered physically stunning who have your aspects. They have the eyes though, which adds to sex appeal..and they have 12th house significance, 8th house very busy, or Pluto in 8th

So overall attraction..what makes someone a super model is in other aspects. If they have 12th house, 8th house, or Pluto in 8th..then they're a sex symbol (super attractive and sexual). << This is my hypothesis

Yeah but Pluto's Power is not Always sexual Power. Tim Burton has Sun conjunct Ascendant and Pluto Square Ascendant and he has no sexual charisma (imo). In him Pluto manifested as a fascination with the dark and mysterious and oh my what good Movies he has made, in that typical plutonic fashion. His Movies are kind of occult.

My Point is that WHEN Pluto is manifested as sexual Power, it's invincible. I know a lot of people with Sun-Pluto Contacts who are absolutely dull to me, but they have still had Power at some Point in their lives, in some cases over a particular person, in other cases of several others. Venus in conjunction to Ascendant does not make a woman automatically a Beauty Queen, but it is a fact that many Beauty Queens got this particular aspect. In the same way, not every person with a strong Martian influence is a professional athlete, or a Soldier. Everything must be taken into consideration.

But sure you can look at the 12th and 8th houses for sex appeal :) Let me know your results. You can find charts of most celebrities on astrotheme or astro.com.
 

love-thinking

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If Venus is in the 12th house conjunct ASC
Or if Venus is conjunct ASC with major planets in the 12th

It can give that melocholic sexy gaze he likes if the ascendent is already in an earth sign, Scorpio or even cancer conjunct ascendent. The girl may not have the Pluto charm Astromix is talking about. But yes planets in the 12 house within 8 to 10 degrees of the ascendent point does influence appearance.
 

Animatrix

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Your sister sounds like me minus the really thin part. Moon in Taurus, what can I say? I am very concious about my weight. I have had bulimic tendencies and I think it has to do with the moon Pluto opposition. I'm at a healthy weight. And I love older men! I also do think Ingrid can have tendencies to look plutonic because of her eyebrows. Thick eyebrows can lead one to look intense. Bushy or thick eye brows can give off a Scorpio or Virgo feel. Also I want to add Venus conjunct ascendent can easily give a Pluto feel or have the Pluto look because Taurus and Scorpio are opposite signs and a lot of the times those two signs are confused for one another. So Ingrid has a Virgo ascendent which is an earth sign with Venus conjunct it, this can easily give off the slightly intense look you're talking about. Earth signs are meloncholic and that's easily confused for scorpios sadness. Charlize theoron doesn't have that intense sophisticated look because her ascendent is a fire sign. Fire signs and air signs don't have intensity. Earth signs and Scorpio and even cancer to an extent tend to have that sad, yet classy gaze you find sexy.

I think you'll love Lana del Rey. She has everything you are talking about.

Also weight, and hair can drastically change a person's appearance and feel to their appearance. My uncle looked like a Capricorn when he was younger as he was stick skinny and now having aged he looks like a compassionate cancer. But I bet he's a Taurus because of his square head.

I find fiery people very intense, but how do you define intensity? I see a lot of energy in the Eyes of Ingrid Bergman. And she was a very energetic, highly adventurous woman in real Life - I have seen the documentary about her and read her book. She was constantly restless, but sometimes melancholic yes.

Lana Del Rey was absolutely gorgeous!!!! :love:

And guess what? SHE HAS VENUS CONJUNCT ASCENDANT, AND SUN TRINE PLUTO! :D Hahaha.
 

InfoOverload2

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Lana Del Ray is my fav - Part of fortune in 12th/ venus is conjunct asc, neptune & uranus in 8th house

There's some recurring neptune aspects too

I think there may be a away to compile a list of aspects that give sexual allure/intensity..the more the better. But there are so many aspects..getting the information in excel is gonna help. I'll give it some time but if it starts to feel like a wild goose chase I'm stopping lol & Venus/Pluto Sun aspects will have to do. It's prominent
 

InfoOverload2

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I find fiery people very intense, but how do you define intensity? I see a lot of energy in the Eyes of Ingrid Bergman. And she was a very energetic, highly adventurous woman in real Life - I have seen the documentary about her and read her book. She was constantly restless, but sometimes melancholic yes.

Lana Del Rey was absolutely gorgeous!!!! :love:

And guess what? SHE HAS VENUS CONJUNCT ASCENDANT, AND SUN TRINE PLUTO! :D Hahaha.

Lana Del ray was in the collage I posted where you said Muhammad Ali was the most attractive
 
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