How to find your career in a chart

Taurusgemini

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Are you able to tell from my chart why i gave up drawing comics in my teens?
After much travel I decided to join university at age 29 in order to teach english/german,but i interrupted my studies in 1996 cause i inherited from my dad`s side,and went on a trip to Oceânia. When I came back i didnt feel like continue my studies. But in 2009 i began to teach courtesy of a TEFL,but work is irregular-I teach the jobless,not at schools. My other interest is music.I started a band in 2013 but after a few gigs in 2014 we broke up and i`m trying to form a new band,but it`s been difficult.
Regarding teaching,I seem to lack the discipline and patience to be a teacher(too much Moon and Júpiter?), Saturn the MC ruler is in 9th but combust,but the 10th ruler Júpiter is not,and im too childlike for someone who is supposed to be a role model for students.
The Moon out of sect seems to be the reason i had problems with a few female bosses
Univesities seem to bring trouble.I wanted to finish my course at the open university this year,but delays from my previous university led to my giving up at least for this semester,but the open university want me to pay the semester cause i didnt call off my subscription in time. I seem to have a hard time getting the needed info from all universities,and that has been a nuisance. I also struggle with the local mentality,as we are supposed to work in groups,but im an individualist
All in all I feel more comfortable with music than teaching and speaking, but music is risky in a small country.There`s little support for bands.
Then of course,I love astrology but I only had a few clientes in 18 years.

I have the same "problem", Gemini rising, Pisces Mc. Is that your north node in the 4th? To me the issue is that the Focus should be directed to the the 4th and not the 10th. Maybe w Gemini rising it's not so important that u "finish" anything, that's capricorn talking, part of the matrix you need to trascend . I'd Say you keep your creative side alive. And let it flow. Work on your nurturing side maybe.
 

Harmelia

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Re: No vocational stickies?

FF, this isn't a sticky, but basically I would recommend this protocol:

1. Get a good grasp of the person's chart so that you have a sense of what this person is like. Even if s/he has talent in a particular area, if it doesn't meet the individual's core personality needs, s/he won't be happy in it.

2. Get a good sense of the different planet, sign, and house rulerships. What does each of these entities cover? A good desk reference is: Rex E. Bills, The Rulership Book, published by the American Federation of Astrologers. Although it is arguably out-of-date for the IT age, it is still in print and otherwise very comprehensive. Most job titles will be listed here. For example, surgeons, soldiers, and athletes are ruled by Mars. Higher education is a 9th house matter. So is overseas travel.

3. The 10th house and MC indicate career in the sense of a vocation, public image, or even destiny. This is not the "just a job" house: that would be the 6th house. If the person needs to live on the income from the job (and who doesn't) then also look at the 2nd and 8th houses.

3. What planets--if any-- are in the 10th house, and what are their aspects like? These tell you that the career is a particular focus for the individual, and the aspects tell you whether the individual is likely to experience them as stressful or harmonious. For example, if Saturn in the 10th is well aspected, the person probably has administrative ability. If Saturn in the 10th is stressed, the person probably feels frustration and inadequacy in his career. This doesn't mean s/he cannot be successful at it; merely that the career will probably be a stressor.

4. What is the ruler of the sign on the house cusp? If there are two, I would suggest looking at both the traditional and modern ruler. Then what is this planet doing by house and aspects? For example, if someone has the ruler of the 10th in the 5th, there are several options. (1) The career has to be fun for the person and a source of creative expression. (2) The person may not be best suited to a career, because the core meaning of the 5th is leisure-time activities and children. If this is a parent of small children, maybe s/he would be happiest staying at home with them--hopefully with the other parent bringing home the income. Recall that one meaning of the 10th is "public image" so this parent may be well known in the local PTA or scout troop as a super parent, not as a CEO or foreman. (3) The person might be good at a 5th house type of career, such as working in a municipal recreation program, the theatre, a gambling casino, or pre-school.

So for example, we could imagine someone with the sun in Leo in the 11th, with Cancer on the cusp of the MC. The ruler of the 10th house, the moon (in Pisces), is located in the 5th house. This person might make a good teacher because the Leo sun likes to be on-stage unless afflicted--and in a classroom the teacher always has an audience. The 11th house deals with friends and hopes for the future. An organization like a school offers friendships with co-workers and hopes for the students' futures. (We note also, that theatre is a 5th house matter.) Then Cancer and the moon have a parental or even nurturing quality, and this moon is located in the house of children.

4. Do the same thing with the 6th house of work and service, and the 2nd and 8th houses of money (the individual's plus "shared resources.") The 8th would be especially important if somebody was interested in an 8th house career like financial advisor. If the ruler of the 2nd is in the 4th house, for example, perhaps this person would prefer to earn money from home, or perhaps have a career in real estate or in an industry dealing with accommodations such as hotels.

It is kind of a separate topic, but if someone's money house looks stressed (for example, Saturn in the 2nd square Pluto and the ruler of the 2nd,) they really need to develop some personal finance management skills.

5. It is a big help to (a) know what careers are out there, and (b) what the day-to-day work is like. Also, it is hard to tell from a chart unless you are a better astrologer than I am whether someone has been to university or has the financial means to go if it is a younger person. Then some careers require advanced degrees, which might be difficult for an older person with stressed 9th and 2nd houses. Sometimes people are motivated to be spiritual teachers or tarot card readers, but they would usually need some other day-job to pay the rent. It is always OK to ask the person what education and job experience they have to date, and how happy they were with them.

6. There are a few wild cards in the deck. If people have artistic talent, they often want to express it regardless of whether it seems like their dream career to an astrologer. If someone has a "splash" type of chart without a discernable focus, they would probably do best in a job that has a lot of diversity and requires a "jack of all trades." If someone has a big focus on just a few signs and houses, they would probably be most motivated in these areas, even if his MC says something else. Also, squares are stressors, but they indicate areas of life that the individual is forced to develop, and an ambitious person may even select a job that accentuates her squares. People with watery charts might look super at working with prisoners or autistic children, but sometimes they will tell you no--they are so sensitive that their nervous energy would just get overloaded in absorbing these people's energy. If someone has the sun in an intercepted sign, Neptune in the first house squaring the MC, or other indicators of difficulties in developing a clear sense of identity, these people may feel they will never find a fulfilling career.

Some careers are really difficult to see in a natal chart. The Astro-DataBank at www.astro.com is full of actors' charts. There does not seem to be much commonality between them.

7. Let your mind be open to different unusual combinations. If someone has strong 10th, 9th, and 8th houses that are not too airy, he might be good at a career in international trade. For an airy person with this combo, however, they might enjoy working in a university, even as an academic support staff member working in the financial aid (8th house) department or with administrators. A psychologist dealing with clients on a one-on-one basis might be good with Pluto, Mercury, and the moon on her AC/DC axis.

We can also look to the north node of the moon, to see where the individual's growth lies.


This is really a good and helpful post, Waybread. It's pretty much what I think. I use Rex Bill's Rulership book a lot - it's a wonderful reference book!
 

JUPITERASC

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https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=264990&postcount=8

In traditional astrology, we use Mercury, Venus and Mars to determine someone's career or profession. The Midheaven in traditional astrology represents the Native's Dignity, Honor and Preferments.

In modern English, the MC is the Native's ego, status, ability to lead or command, the potential for advancement and promotion, and recognition or awards. So the MC only plays a role in one's career by setting the parameters.

As an example, someone's chart might have a heavy Mars influence, and so we might conclude (along with other factors) that the person is a leader, and then we look to the MC to tell us if this person will be the Chief Executive Officer of a major corporation or merely a low level floor manager at a restaurant or retail store, or perhaps a shop foreperson in an manufacturing facility.

It allows us to distinguish between a teacher, a headmaster and a university professor; between an amateur athlete, an Olympic athlete, a mediocre professional athlete and a professional athlete who receives top pay and many awards; between a street player, a musician in a local band, a studio musician, a mediocre professional musician and a musician who is nationally or world renown and has gold and platinum records/CDs.

After we make a determination for the Significator of Profession, which could be Mercury, Venus or Mars alone, or two of the three together, or even all three could be the Significators of Profession, we look so if we blend that with other Planets who are in aspect with the Significator, and then look to the MC.

One of the things you'll learn is that not everyone was intended to have a career or profession, and you can see that in the chart. What are those people to do? Well, the chart will tell you that too, meaning whether they're "homeless" or drift from menial job to menial job, or they're criminals or "professional students" or they don't have to work because they already have wealth or maybe they're house-wives/house-husbands or something like that.


We direct the MC using Right Ascension by Primary or Converse Motion (clock-wise/counter-clockwise) to see what happens. The aspects made to other Planets and Chart Points tells the story. You might get fired, laid off, promoted, get a new job, get huge raise, receive an award for something you did (and it may or may not be job-related -- it could be a civic award or something as part of social group you belong to).

There's another method popularized by modern astrologer Noel Tyl, called the Midheaven Extension Method, but it requires sound knowledge of traditional astrology concepts, because it is heavily dependent on things like Dispositors, Peregrine Planets, Mutual Reception, Reception, Oriental/Occidental Planets etc. There is no way to use his method without understanding those things. He uses modern concepts like the Aries/Libra Points and Midpoints as well. It also poses some problems for the reincarnation/past-life/karma/soul-mate/alien/channeling/astral body crowd, because if they cannot divorce themselves from that kind of bizarre thinking they'll never interpret the Nodes correctly (and the Nodes are important).

It'll take me a while, but I'll try to post some charts using the traditional methods and maybe try to get into Noel Tyl's method (I think he charges $400 or Euros or whatever).
 

Harmelia

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You have a good idea. As many times as I've looked in this forum I didn't notice that.

In traditional astrology, we use Mercury, Venus and Mars to determine someone's career or profession. The Midheaven in traditional astrology represents the Native's Dignity, Honor and Preferments.

In modern English, the MC is the Native's ego, status, ability to lead or command, the potential for advancement and promotion, and recognition or awards. So the MC only plays a role in one's career by setting the parameters.

As an example, someone's chart might have a heavy Mars influence, and so we might conclude (along with other factors) that the person is a leader, and then we look to the MC to tell us if this person will be the Chief Executive Officer of a major corporation or merely a low level floor manager at a restaurant or retail store, or perhaps a shop foreperson in an manufacturing facility.

It allows us to distinguish between a teacher, a headmaster and a university professor; between an amateur athlete, an Olympic athlete, a mediocre professional athlete and a professional athlete who receives top pay and many awards; between a street player, a musician in a local band, a studio musician, a mediocre professional musician and a musician who is nationally or world renown and has gold and platinum records/CDs.

After we make a determination for the Significator of Profession, which could be Mercury, Venus or Mars alone, or two of the three together, or even all three could be the Significators of Profession, we look so if we blend that with other Planets who are in aspect with the Significator, and then look to the MC.

One of the things you'll learn is that not everyone was intended to have a career or profession, and you can see that in the chart. What are those people to do? Well, the chart will tell you that too, meaning whether they're "homeless" or drift from menial job to menial job, or they're criminals or "professional students" or they don't have to work because they already have wealth or maybe they're house-wives/house-husbands or something like that.

We direct the MC using Right Ascension by Primary or Converse Motion (clock-wise/counter-clockwise) to see what happens. The aspects made to other Planets and Chart Points tells the story. You might get fired, laid off, promoted, get a new job, get huge raise, receive an award for something you did (and it may or may not be job-related -- it could be a civic award or something as part of social group you belong to).

There's another method popularized by modern astrologer Noel Tyl, called the Midheaven Extension Method, but it requires sound knowledge of traditional astrology concepts, because it is heavily dependent on things like Dispositors, Peregrine Planets, Mutual Reception, Reception, Oriental/Occidental Planets etc. There is no way to use his method without understanding those things. He uses modern concepts like the Aries/Libra Points and Midpoints as well. It also poses some problems for the reincarnation/past-life/karma/soul-mate/alien/channeling/astral body crowd, because if they cannot divorce themselves from that kind of bizarre thinking they'll never interpret the Nodes correctly (and the Nodes are important).

It'll take me a while, but I'll try to post some charts using the traditional methods and maybe try to get into Noel Tyl's method (I think he charges $400 or Euros or whatever).


Great post. Thank you! Some of this is new to me. I'm going to test it out!
 

JUPITERASC

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Great post. Thank you!
Some of this is new to me.
I'm going to test it out!
another delineation of profession that may be of interest :smile:

https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=377797&postcount=3


Lets now look at this person's chart.
Lets first examine her profession.

We will start from examining the 1st (as Ascendant shows the Primal Motivation of the person) and 10th. Then we'll look at some Lots.

Almuten of the Ascendant is Venus in 6th in Leo which first suggest that the person is lining toward performance (Leo).
Jupiter is the domicile ruler of the 1st and 10th (also Almuten of the 10th).
Jupiter is in the 2nd Aries with the Moon. Moon is giving an emotional (the Pisces Ascendant too) note to that Jupiter's functioning.
Moon's last aspect was trine with Sun in Leo in 6th and the next aspect is conjunction with the 1st-10th ruler Jupiter.
Jupiter and Moon are making Trine with the MC which suggests that the career of this person would be of high importance for her.
From the other side Sun and Venus are also giving trine to the MC.

Pars Hyleg is showing the Life Purpose of the person and in this chart it is in 13 Taurus which would suggest that the person is probably musician (because of Venus) and probably Singer (because Taurus = throat).
Venus is domicile ruler and Almuten of the Pars Hyleg and being in Venus is leaning toward performance again. Venus is seen the Pars Hyleg by square signs which is good (the seeing!) for the pars.

The triplicity rulers are all afflicted.
Jupiter by Retrogradation (and Saturn too plus being cadent). Sun is cadent in 6th.
But the term ruler Mercury (the Divisor of the MC) is quite strong in 7th in its own domicile which would also suggest that the person would be famous and related to the public.

Part of Fortune is in the 5th (performance, entertainment?), the ruler Mars is in the 4th (angular) from Fortune which is strong placement.

Lot of Exaltation is at 25Pisces in 1st. Strong placement, angular and Jupiter being its Lord, Venus its Almuten.

To summarize, we would say that this person is high performer, probably singer and musician, and is very good at it, popular but maybe having problems with career in the later years suggested by Retrograde/Cadent Saturn in 12th participating ruler of the MC.

Remember, we are looking at the profession of this person not her whole life.
Well, this person is Whitney Houston. So, can the chart show success and profession type beforehand? I think it can.
 

Claire19

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Re: No vocational stickies?

Career options are assessed by MC any planets conjunct, where the ruler of MC is placed, it’s aspects, then 2nd house ‘how you earn your money’ and planets there, ruler of cusp and where it’s placed, then 6th house of ‘type of work you do’ any planets there and how they are aspected.

Researching rulers of houses will help you understand more where I joining the dots so to speak
http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/rulersofhousesinhouses.html
http://www.trans4mind.com/personal_development/astrology/LearningAstrology/housesDerived.htm
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/houserulerships.htm

Money & you
http://www.astrotheme.com/files/money_and_you.php
http://www.cafeastrology.com/astrologytopics/astrology_of_money_wealth.html
career significators
http://www.librarising.com/astrology/misc/significators.html
Professional & Destiny
http://www.astrotheme.com/files/astrology_professional_destiny.php
http://www.librarising.com/astrology/misc/significators.html

perhaps this thread could be made into a sticky??
this is very good and encompassing the 6th and 2nd houses for everyday work and income etc..not everyone has their daily bread work as a career and the two can be very different..
 

JUPITERASC

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Does the part of fortune have any merit in vocation?
Definitely :)

The Author Antoine Garth, clearly states that this interesting technique is ancient
derived from THE ANTHOLOGY of Vettius Valens
a 1st Century working astrologer and researcher some two thousand years ago
:smile:

by the way Valens entire ANTHOLOGY is available FREE online, translated from the Ancient Greek
by Professor Riley CSU at
http://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/Vettius Valens entire.pdf

FROM PAGE ONE OF THE FIVE HIDDEN PILLARS OF FATE: by ANTOINE GARTH
SCHOLAR OF VETTIUS VALENS, FIRST CENTURY ASTROLOGER, RESEARCHER, INSTRUCTOR

'...The study of fortune and destiny in the chart has been recovered from the works of Vettius Valens.
In this study we consult the second century astrologer to return to an astrology not known since his time.
This will force three major traumas upon us as astrologers:
First, we are working within a deterministic system wherein we are seeking

to be privy to the inscrutable workings of Fate.
Modern thinkers may protest such a domination of symbol over lifestyle, and may wish to reject this idea
as insufficiently allowing us to properly assign "...Free Will..." to our ego nature.....'

.
 

waybread

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Does the part of fortune have any merit in vocation?
I'd say so, if it's in a house or conjunct a planet instrumental in your career. The P of F shows what goes well for you. Because it's just a point calculated arithmetically, it doesn't operate like a planet. It casts no orb. I wouldn't use it with minor aspects, or try to spin it out too much.
 

socrates

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Another thing about my chart. I have 3 planets in the idle 8th house and the ones in the 9th are weakened by the south node. Only the Moon is free but out of sect. Which do you think is the most favourable or helpful planet in my chart?
Note that I' m more into traditional astrology than modern

Thanks

Heres the chart
 

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LostNOzarks

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Another thing about my chart. I have 3 planets in the idle 8th house and the ones in the 9th are weakened by the south node. Only the Moon is free but out of sect. Which do you think is the most favourable or helpful planet in my chart?
Note that I' m more into traditional astrology than modern

Thanks

Heres the chart
saturn is disposited in 5 signs. Saturn.
 
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