How to find your career in a chart

I've had the most success with healing arts-like spa work and massage. I have Taurus MC and Chiron in 10th.

I also get the best opportunities through partnerships or people I know. For instance, I was with someone for about a decade whom owns a business and he's always been quite fruitful. I have Aquarius 7th. Venus and Mercury in Aquarius. He's a Capricorn (actually more like on the cusp of cap/sag) and he owns an electrical supply business! How cool is that...totally fits in with the Aquarius.
 

JUPITERASC

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QUOTE
the following is in the public domain

THE dominion of the employment, or profession, is claimed in two quarters;
viz. by the Sun,
and
by the sign on the mid-heaven.

It is, therefore, necessary to observe
whether any planet may be making its oriental appearance nearest to the Sun, 1
and whether any be posited in the mid-heaven;
especially, when also receiving the application of the Moon :smile:

And if one and the same planet possess both these qualifications, that is to say,
make its nearest appearance to the Sun,
and be also in the mid-heaven,
that one alone must be elected to determine the present inquiry:
and, likewise,
though the planet should not be thus doubly qualified, but only singly, in whichever respect,
even then that planet alone must still be elected provided itself alone should possess such single qualification.

If, however, there should be one planet presenting its nearest appearance,
and another in the mid-heaven conciliating the Moon,
both must then be noticed;
and whichever of two may have greater sway,
and possess greater rights of dominion, that one must be preferred.

But where not any planet may be found so situated,
neither making its appearance as above described,
nor being in the mid-heaven,
then that one, possessing the dominion of the mid-heaven, 2
is to be considered as lord of the employment


THE QUALITY OF EMPLOYMENT http://www.sacred-texts.com/astro/ptb/ptb67.htm
 

JUPITERASC

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GOOD GOD! Traditional Astrologer :eek::eek::eek::eek:
please don't ever insult me in this way ever, ever again.

On most forums I am the bane of so called "Traditional Astrologers".
Interesting that to be referred to as "a Traditional Astrologer"
may be considered "insulting
" :smile:
I started learning astrology in the late 60's and so called 'Traditional Astrology' wasn't even a gleam in the astrological community's eye.
It wasn't born until a few years after Project Hindsight started in the late 80's.
Traditional Astrology precedes so-called modern astrology
Modern Astrology is based on Traditional Astrology

As far as I know, most astrologers of my era are quite comfortable with these concepts.
For example, Noel Tyl, who can only be described as a modern, psychologically oriented astrologer, uses oriental planets in all of his work.

Decans, duads, oriental planets, the first planet the Moon crossed over after birth,
were all part of my beginners reading materials, with the first book I read on Duads
'The 144 Doors of the Zodiac' by Thyrza Escobar being published in 1974 and another
'The Zodiac Within Each Sign' by Frances Sakoian and Louise Acker published in 1975.
I have worked with duads ever since, run workshops on these techniques and taught them to my pupils.
During these years I discovered duad degrees and have been working with this technique for a number of years as well.

None of my pupils have ever complained about being overwhelmed with these concepts - nor was I when I started learning astrology.
Interesting article on DODEKATEMORIA aka Twelve Parts aka Duads aka Dwads et al http://www.sevenstarsastrology.com/?tag=dodekatemoria

I must admit I am shocked and saddened that, along with horary astrology,
these normal astrological techniques have now been annexed into the 'traditional astrologers' kitbag as part of their 'tradition'
and ignored by modern astrologers.
to be fair, dodekatemoria, duads, dwads, twelve parts et al are definitely ancient and traditional techniques
and if modern astrologers prefer to not utilise them
then that is their choice
It is beneficial for astrology in fact to have these ancient methodologies in translation
for example those available from BEN DYKES
http://bendykes.com/
Unfortunately, through the thuggish and bullying behaviour of many 'traditional astrologers'
the astrological community has become so divisive
that certain techniques are only used by specific groups of astrologers.
This can only be harmful to astrology as a whole.

Alice
I'm certain there is no unwritten astrological law preventing modern astrologers from using these "certain techniques" alluded to
unless of course to use those techniques would mean that those astrologers would no longer be considered modern astrologers
But then that is personal individual choice

 

Dubyadude1986

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QUOTE
the following is in the public domain

THE dominion of the employment, or profession, is claimed in two quarters;
viz. by the Sun,
and
by the sign on the mid-heaven.

It is, therefore, necessary to observe
whether any planet may be making its oriental appearance nearest to the Sun, 1
and whether any be posited in the mid-heaven;
especially, when also receiving the application of the Moon :smile:


I have to say that based on the research I have done on my own chart (best way to learn they say), this looks to be accurate. There may be more, but these two definitely check out a lot.

Props Jupiter. ;)
 

ukdesifem

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I've had the most success with healing arts-like spa work and massage. I have Taurus MC and Chiron in 10th.

I also get the best opportunities through partnerships or people I know. For instance, I was with someone for about a decade whom owns a business and he's always been quite fruitful. I have Aquarius 7th. Venus and Mercury in Aquarius. He's a Capricorn (actually more like on the cusp of cap/sag) and he owns an electrical supply business! How cool is that...totally fits in with the Aquarius.
That makes sense with Taurus MC.

Cap also means structure and building stuff, he may like wiring and building junction boxes and switches. Anything construction related is Cap.
 

Claire19

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career belongs with the 10th house planets and ruler. Aspects elsewhere especially to 2nd house of personal income and finances. the 6th house also to be looked at for everyday bread and butter work and to find a theme of more than two aspects that support each other.
 

Claire19

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That makes sense with Taurus MC.

Cap also means structure and building stuff, he may like wiring and building junction boxes and switches. Anything construction related is Cap.

Taurus is about the physical pleasures and comforts. So massage is apt. Also being an Earth sign they can be interested in horticulture, pottery as the artistic expression and buying and selling beautiful objects that can be used. They are finance conscious and make good investment bankers, financiers and economists. Taurus rules the throat area so an artistic career with singing and
may be involved in creating beautiful scarves and pendants. They like the sensuality of things such as soft clothing and the colours are emerald green, pinks and blues.
 

Claire19

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Roughly 1/12 of the planet will have Libra rising, Aries on the DC, &c. It doesn't confer any particular hardship.

Venus ruling with Libra on the ascendant will be different for everyone, different sign and house and aspects. This is the heart of astrology. it is complex, generalisations are just that.
 
FF, this isn't a sticky, but basically I would recommend this protocol:

1. Get a good grasp of the person's chart so that you have a sense of what this person is like. Even if s/he has talent in a particular area, if it doesn't meet the individual's core personality needs, s/he won't be happy in it.

2. Get a good sense of the different planet, sign, and house rulerships. What does each of these entities cover? A good desk reference is: Rex E. Bills, The Rulership Book, published by the American Federation of Astrologers. Although it is arguably out-of-date for the IT age, it is still in print and otherwise very comprehensive. Most job titles will be listed here. For example, surgeons, soldiers, and athletes are ruled by Mars. Higher education is a 9th house matter. So is overseas travel.

3. The 10th house and MC indicate career in the sense of a vocation, public image, or even destiny. This is not the "just a job" house: that would be the 6th house. If the person needs to live on the income from the job (and who doesn't) then also look at the 2nd and 8th houses.

3. What planets--if any-- are in the 10th house, and what are their aspects like? These tell you that the career is a particular focus for the individual, and the aspects tell you whether the individual is likely to experience them as stressful or harmonious. For example, if Saturn in the 10th is well aspected, the person probably has administrative ability. If Saturn in the 10th is stressed, the person probably feels frustration and inadequacy in his career. This doesn't mean s/he cannot be successful at it; merely that the career will probably be a stressor.

4. What is the ruler of the sign on the house cusp? If there are two, I would suggest looking at both the traditional and modern ruler. Then what is this planet doing by house and aspects? For example, if someone has the ruler of the 10th in the 5th, there are several options. (1) The career has to be fun for the person and a source of creative expression. (2) The person may not be best suited to a career, because the core meaning of the 5th is leisure-time activities and children. If this is a parent of small children, maybe s/he would be happiest staying at home with them--hopefully with the other parent bringing home the income. Recall that one meaning of the 10th is "public image" so this parent may be well known in the local PTA or scout troop as a super parent, not as a CEO or foreman. (3) The person might be good at a 5th house type of career, such as working in a municipal recreation program, the theatre, a gambling casino, or pre-school.

So for example, we could imagine someone with the sun in Leo in the 11th, with Cancer on the cusp of the MC. The ruler of the 10th house, the moon (in Pisces), is located in the 5th house. This person might make a good teacher because the Leo sun likes to be on-stage unless afflicted--and in a classroom the teacher always has an audience. The 11th house deals with friends and hopes for the future. An organization like a school offers friendships with co-workers and hopes for the students' futures. (We note also, that theatre is a 5th house matter.) Then Cancer and the moon have a parental or even nurturing quality, and this moon is located in the house of children.

4. Do the same thing with the 6th house of work and service, and the 2nd and 8th houses of money (the individual's plus "shared resources.") The 8th would be especially important if somebody was interested in an 8th house career like financial advisor. If the ruler of the 2nd is in the 4th house, for example, perhaps this person would prefer to earn money from home, or perhaps have a career in real estate or in an industry dealing with accommodations such as hotels.

It is kind of a separate topic, but if someone's money house looks stressed (for example, Saturn in the 2nd square Pluto and the ruler of the 2nd,) they really need to develop some personal finance management skills.

5. It is a big help to (a) know what careers are out there, and (b) what the day-to-day work is like. Also, it is hard to tell from a chart unless you are a better astrologer than I am whether someone has been to university or has the financial means to go if it is a younger person. Then some careers require advanced degrees, which might be difficult for an older person with stressed 9th and 2nd houses. Sometimes people are motivated to be spiritual teachers or tarot card readers, but they would usually need some other day-job to pay the rent. It is always OK to ask the person what education and job experience they have to date, and how happy they were with them.

6. There are a few wild cards in the deck. If people have artistic talent, they often want to express it regardless of whether it seems like their dream career to an astrologer. If someone has a "splash" type of chart without a discernable focus, they would probably do best in a job that has a lot of diversity and requires a "jack of all trades." If someone has a big focus on just a few signs and houses, they would probably be most motivated in these areas, even if his MC says something else. Also, squares are stressors, but they indicate areas of life that the individual is forced to develop, and an ambitious person may even select a job that accentuates her squares. People with watery charts might look super at working with prisoners or autistic children, but sometimes they will tell you no--they are so sensitive that their nervous energy would just get overloaded in absorbing these people's energy. If someone has the sun in an intercepted sign, Neptune in the first house squaring the MC, or other indicators of difficulties in developing a clear sense of identity, these people may feel they will never find a fulfilling career.

Some careers are really difficult to see in a natal chart. The Astro-DataBank at www.astro.com is full of actors' charts. There does not seem to be much commonality between them.

7. Let your mind be open to different unusual combinations. If someone has strong 10th, 9th, and 8th houses that are not too airy, he might be good at a career in international trade. For an airy person with this combo, however, they might enjoy working in a university, even as an academic support staff member working in the financial aid (8th house) department or with administrators. A psychologist dealing with clients on a one-on-one basis might be good with Pluto, Mercury, and the moon on her AC/DC axis.

We can also look to the north node of the moon, to see where the individual's growth lies.

Would you help me with my career path identification? Sun, Mercury and Venus in Cancer in X house (so all of these conjunct my MC in Cancer). Moon in Capricorn in fourth house and Rising in Libra. Mars in Virgo (I'm very meticulous!) And Saturn in Pisces in sixth house. Second house in Libra as well. Thank you!!
 

socrates

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Are you able to tell from my chart why i gave up drawing comics in my teens?
After much travel I decided to join university at age 29 in order to teach english/german,but i interrupted my studies in 1996 cause i inherited from my dad`s side,and went on a trip to Oceânia. When I came back i didnt feel like continue my studies. But in 2009 i began to teach courtesy of a TEFL,but work is irregular-I teach the jobless,not at schools. My other interest is music.I started a band in 2013 but after a few gigs in 2014 we broke up and i`m trying to form a new band,but it`s been difficult.
Regarding teaching,I seem to lack the discipline and patience to be a teacher(too much Moon and Júpiter?), Saturn the MC ruler is in 9th but combust,but the 10th ruler Júpiter is not,and im too childlike for someone who is supposed to be a role model for students.
The Moon out of sect seems to be the reason i had problems with a few female bosses
Univesities seem to bring trouble.I wanted to finish my course at the open university this year,but delays from my previous university led to my giving up at least for this semester,but the open university want me to pay the semester cause i didnt call off my subscription in time. I seem to have a hard time getting the needed info from all universities,and that has been a nuisance. I also struggle with the local mentality,as we are supposed to work in groups,but im an individualist
All in all I feel more comfortable with music than teaching and speaking, but music is risky in a small country.There`s little support for bands.
Then of course,I love astrology but I only had a few clientes in 18 years.
 

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Culpeper

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The word "career" is not defined in traditional astrology so we have to translate into something else such as occupation, profession etc. Many people do not have anything and have to do whatever menial tasks modern society offers them. The planets rule various occupations with Mercury, Venus and Mars being very important, and the 10th, 6th and 2nd houses are consulted as well.

In your chart Mercury rules the first house. It is rather weak in the 9th house, but is in a fortunate position and has a trine aspect to the first house. The first house rules creativity, and you say you first considered drawing comics which is a very creative occupation. That is a possibility, but Mercury was not strong enough to keep you at it. Academic occupations are not indicated due to weak rulers.

The Moon in the 10th house is your strongest planet. It rules silversmiths, jewelers, bankers and perhaps accountants. It dominates the 10th since Jupiter is weak. The Moon also rules the 2nd house which indicates you have the ability to make or get money by some means: perhaps inheritance, investments, commodities, marriage etc.

Good luck with your search as you appear to have it.
 

socrates

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The word "career" is not defined in traditional astrology so we have to translate into something else such as occupation, profession etc. Many people do not have anything and have to do whatever menial tasks modern society offers them. The planets rule various occupations with Mercury, Venus and Mars being very important, and the 10th, 6th and 2nd houses are consulted as well.

In your chart Mercury rules the first house. It is rather weak in the 9th house, but is in a fortunate position and has a trine aspect to the first house. The first house rules creativity, and you say you first considered drawing comics which is a very creative occupation. That is a possibility, but Mercury was not strong enough to keep you at it. Academic occupations are not indicated due to weak rulers.

The Moon in the 10th house is your strongest planet. It rules silversmiths, jewelers, bankers and perhaps accountants. It dominates the 10th since Jupiter is weak. The Moon also rules the 2nd house which indicates you have the ability to make or get money by some means: perhaps inheritance, investments, commodities, marriage etc.

Good luck with your search as you appear to have it.

First house rules creativity??
Moon is the public,emotions,I think any job dealing with public,like performing,teaching is ok,but it is out of sect. Anyway most of my activities are 9th house,except music
 

waybread

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Socrates, can you attach a more legible version of your chart? Try the free charts pages at www.astro.com . I'm having trouble reading the degrees on your planets. If I enlarge this chart, I lose the resolution.

Thanks.
 

waybread

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Socrates, I just realized that, if your birth date is correct, you are a man in his late 50s. What is it that you want out of a career reading at this point? You've explained all of the reasons why different types of work and education didn't work out for you. Are you looking for a new vocation now?? Which is fine, but if your chart shouted out a particular career, would you even be inclined to follow it? Also, your "teenage years" cover a 7 year span, so it would be helpful if you really wanted an answer that you didn't already know, if you posted transits for the time when you decided to give up cartoon drawing.

Your exact opposition between your 10th house moon (emotions) and Uranus (sudden change) can make it very hard for you to stick with one thing. Now you feel like something, now you don't. Then Jupiter square Neptune isn't the most realistic placement on the planet. (I know, because I have this aspect as well.)

Note that Uranus is the modern ruler of your midheaven.

As you've figured out by now, success in any career or educational program does require sticking with it even during those times when you don't feel like working at it, or when something else seems more appealing.

Also, roughly half the world's population will have the moon out-of-sect. (I'ts either day or night, right?) Where I think the trouble might come is with your moon conjunct Chiron and opposite Pluto. Kind of a Big Momma issue?

As you seem to enjoy travel and your sun is in the 9th house, have you thought of earning money through the travel industry?
 

socrates

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Socrates, I just realized that, if your birth date is correct, you are a man in his late 50s. What is it that you want out of a career reading at this point? You've explained all of the reasons why different types of work and education didn't work out for you. Are you looking for a new vocation now?? Which is fine, but if your chart shouted out a particular career, would you even be inclined to follow it? Also, your "teenage years" cover a 7 year span, so it would be helpful if you really wanted an answer that you didn't already know, if you posted transits for the time when you decided to give up cartoon drawing.

Your exact opposition between your 10th house moon (emotions) and Uranus (sudden change) can make it very hard for you to stick with one thing. Now you feel like something, now you don't. Then Jupiter square Neptune isn't the most realistic placement on the planet. (I know, because I have this aspect as well.)

Note that Uranus is the modern ruler of your midheaven.

As you've figured out by now, success in any career or educational program does require sticking with it even during those times when you don't feel like working at it, or when something else seems more appealing.

Also, roughly half the world's population will have the moon out-of-sect. (I'ts either day or night, right?) Where I think the trouble might come is with your moon conjunct Chiron and opposite Pluto. Kind of a Big Momma issue?

As you seem to enjoy travel and your sun is in the 9th house, have you thought of earning money through the travel industry?

when it comes to comics i think it was my perfectionism,and anyway i got interested in music, but outsider the anglo worls,living off pop music can be tough, i think any job that requires discipline doesnt suit me,but youre right,i no longer have the same drive. From what I see musical talent can come from oriental Venus and its conjunction with Veja,and maybe gemini asc and pisces moon as well,drawing must be venus or Mercury.I`m thinking of moving abroad for artistic purposes,but in june,when I was planning to do it,Mars will be hovering my 9th house and ntil september
 

dheerpat

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I would like to know the combination or triggers (transit, progression etc) responsible when a person switches to a different career line altogether.
 

JUPITERASC

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I would like to know the combination or triggers (transit, progression etc)

responsible when a person switches to a different career line altogether.
That's entirely dependent on individual astrological opinion :smile:
Modernist astrologers and Traditional astrologers differ
and Vedic and Chinese astrology have their own methods as well
 

JUPITERASC

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Oh do you see any such happening in my chart in near times.

Anyway, there are like some 50+ surviving manuscripts of Ptolemy's work,
and no, Ptolemy did not write them,
rather other people copied them from other manuscripts, including the original manuscript.
All manuscripts have variations and deviations from one extent to another,
including the chapters being arranged out of order and amendations and deletions to the text
.


So, now we can see how doctrines and concepts get messed up in translation and misunderstanding over the centuries (and even recent days apparently).

As I mentioned on another thread
Ptolemy retells a method of calculating a Conception Chart
and from this Conception Chart, Ptolemy claimed one could determine the Native's future rank or station in life, whether the birth would be a single birth, or a multiple birth (like twins) and whether the child would be born deformed or have birth defects.


Someone copying Ptolemy's manuscript re-arranged the order of the chapters to make it appear that Ptolemy was using the Natal Chart to determine the Native's rank and station in life....instead of the Conception Chart.

Fast forward a few centuries, and you have Jewish and Arab astrologers pulling out their hair....or maybe their beards...trying to figure out why they keep failing when using Ptolemy's...on a Natal Chart....because they don't understand that Ptolemy was using a Conception Chart.....

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.......So here we all are.....centuries later.....still trying to figure out how to determine a person's rank and fame in life....

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......From 1900 BCE to 1700 CE, the Human Race actually got really dumb before they started to get smart (or I suppose less dumb), and they still ain't really all that....

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.....Like Math and Science, in Astrology, you can get the right result for the wrong reasons.
I have...issues with the conception chart. Because I don't think, based on personal experience, that it actually works. I tested it with all three, and I'd have to go back a couple of years to my arguments with JUPITERASC about the prenatal Epoch to find my replies...

But it worked in none of the times.

My third was conceived on Dec. 25th 2004. If I remember correctly, her "conception chart" was off by at least a month.
Good idea to read Abu Bakr and then deduce as to whether the techniques he describes
to find the time of projection of seed into the womb aka Pre-Natal Epoch aka Conception Chart
are applicable or not - in particular to the charts you are studying

i.e.

PERSIAN NATIVITIES
Vol II Ben Dykes Translation

ABU BAKR
On Nativities :smile:
page 85
Chapter 1.2 On the projection of seed into the womb.

Page 89
Chapter 1.3 On the native's stay in the mother's womb

page 91
Chapter 1.4 On knowing the namudar and the hour of the projection of seed into the womb

    1. First Method
    2. Second Method
    3. Another way concerning the native's stay in the mother's belly [Ben Dykes notes that '….This seems to be a way of determining whether the birth was premature or not, to help in judging the date of conception. See Appendix C....']

page 93 to page 101
Chapter 1.5 Detailed planetary disposition of the months
[Ben Dykes notes that:

'...Here we see more clearly that this is the astrological equivalent of genetics, since the native's attitudes and abilities will be signified while already in the womb and not through teaching or experience after birth. This must be why Abu Bakr reports that these months are considered by some to be more important than the nativity – at least in terms of the native's behavior and character....']
 
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