Help - I am a beginner - Horary Astrology

Question - will my son be a doctor (his words to me - where - what are the odds?)

I don't have a good feel for horary astrology - I cast the chart for the time he asked me the question - I tried to limit the angles and take only very tight orbs. I used whole sign houses. Ascendant in Scorpio - trines Mars (traditional ruler of Scorpio) seems very interesting. The fact that this is in conjunction with Neptune (rules the 12th house is interesting). I read the threads but I thought it was interest that for this query sun opposes the ascendant and conjuncts the true node - this seemed to be more than coincidence. The ruler of the 9th is the moon - in the 12th house (medical care) in a trine with Saturn. Saturn (4th) squares the sun in the 7th - I assume - this won't be easy. I am not sure what to think about the square between the moon and mercury.

Any thoughts?

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Venusinlibra

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Hi Claudiasan

I´m not so skilled in horary, but I believe in this chart you should look for the 5th house ruler - your son ascendent - and the 6th and 10th houses from the 5th rulers, which rule your son employment and career. You should look also his 9th, of high studies, and maybe his 12th, which rules hospitals...
 
I thought you had to start by determining if the chart is readable - if the Asc is early in the sign (e.g. 0 degrees - its too early to answer this question) or late (29 degrees) its too late to answer this question things have already been decided. You then look at the Lord of the hour and establish if the lord of the hours "jives" with the lord of the Asc. In this case the Lord of the Hour was Jupiter - Lord of the Asc is Mars in Pisces does not really Jive with Jupiter in Aries. You then make sure the moon is not void of course (not making any aspects) - there are other exceptions which may not allow you to answer the question but I cant remember them. The only thing I can say here is that Jupiter is a benefic and it rules Pisces - this means Jupiter and Mars are in each others signs - mutual reception - this may good. I am not sure.

If you determine that you can analyze the chart - that is: you don't have any exceptions - you look at the querant (always the lord of the ascendant as per horary chart) - in this case its Mars - and the lord of the house that most represents the query - in this case sun - since Leo is in the 10th. It is a question about career. You can then look at the FIRST aspect the querant will make (future) i.e. conjunction with Jupiter (conjunctions - I have read some of the posts here and there is a debate as to whether its good or bad). The Moon should always be taken into account and it can represent a secondary querant - in this case its in the 12th house (never very good - but this question is about medicine which is very much a topic for the 12th house) trine saturn (any aspect to a malefic is presumably 'bad' - so not sure how to interpret that). the other thing I found interesting is that - in Chaldean planetary ordering system Mars rules the 10th - and here it is also the querant. I dont know - that is why I posted the question ;)

Anyone knows if this is the way to go about it?

I listened to Chris Brennan's podcasts on horary astrology and that is what I took away from it - it is really great - on spotify
 

dr. farr

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Using my method, since your son asked the question he = querant = 1st house = Scorpio = mars.
Now, quesite\d here can be;
-medical education= 9th house = cancer = moon
-career = 10th house = Leo = sun
-his ideals = 11th house = Virgo = mercury

Moon flows to mars = + testimony for medical education
Sun flows away from mars = - testimony for medical career
Mercury flows away from mars = -te\stimony re to his ideal of becoming a doctor

So, 1 + and 2 - testimonies regarding this matter; best I can estimate at this time is: maybe yes, maybe no
 

mercuryforward

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It’s really confusing that you started 2 separate threads about the same chart. Now I can’t find the other one anymore that has the house system that’s NOT whole sign. That’s what I based my analysis on.
 

waybread

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Horary works best with Regiomontanus houses: it's not about what house system you normally use in natal astrology, but what experts over the centuries thought worked best for horary. You can find a Regiomontanus option at Astrodienst. Part of the problem with whole signs is that we lose a lot of information with that system.

It's possible that Chris Brennan recommends whole signs: I've not heard his podcast. He is primarily a Hellenistic astrologer, however; so he may well use the house system that was generally used before the other ones were invented.

The rule is that you can ask a question only once, by any system of divination. So please keep the same time as with your initial question time.

Is this basically your son's question through you, or your own question? It matters which house we use for him.

Mars in Pisces and Jupiter in Aries are in mutual reception, which is beneficial.

Also the south node in the first house is a negative testimony so we want to make sure we get this one right.
 
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sinhtheslumberingdragon

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I will try WSH houses

Since you asked about your son, he is 5th house ruler Jupiter

Doctor is a profession, so MC lord Mercury
Mercury will turn back retro and sextile Jupiter, however its deeply combust and will be retro - looks like a reach

I would say that its possible but only with great effort
 

JUPITERASC

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I thought you had to start by determining if the chart is readable - if the Asc is early in the sign (e.g. 0 degrees - its too early to answer this question) or late (29 degrees) its too late to answer this question things have already been decided. You then look at the Lord of the hour and establish if the lord of the hours "jives" with the lord of the Asc. In this case the Lord of the Hour was Jupiter - Lord of the Asc is Mars in Pisces does not really Jive with Jupiter in Aries. You then make sure the moon is not void of course (not making any aspects) - there are other exceptions which may not allow you to answer the question but I cant remember them. The only thing I can say here is that Jupiter is a benefic and it rules Pisces - this means Jupiter and Mars are in each others signs - mutual reception - this may good. I am not sure.

If you determine that you can analyze the chart - that is: you don't have any exceptions - you look at the querant (always the lord of the ascendant as per horary chart) - in this case its Mars - and the lord of the house that most represents the query - in this case sun - since Leo is in the 10th. It is a question about career. You can then look at the FIRST aspect the querant will make (future) i.e. conjunction with Jupiter (conjunctions - I have read some of the posts here and there is a debate as to whether its good or bad). The Moon should always be taken into account and it can represent a secondary querant - in this case its in the 12th house (never very good - but this question is about medicine which is very much a topic for the 12th house) trine saturn (any aspect to a malefic is presumably 'bad' - so not sure how to interpret that). the other thing I found interesting is that - in Chaldean planetary ordering system Mars rules the 10th - and here it is also the querant. I dont know - that is why I posted the question ;)

Anyone knows if this is the way to go about it?

I listened to Chris Brennan's podcasts on horary astrology and that is what I took away from it - it is really great - on spotify
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The theory behind Horary is very simple:
1) there is a Question that weighs very heavily on your mind.
2) when you have a clear understanding of what it is that you really want to know, you cast a chart or an astrologer casts one for you
3) That freezes the Planets as they transit the heavens at that moment (hence: Horary)
4) the Rising Sign and Planet that rules the Rising Sign represents you

5) the House, or often more correctly, the Sign that represents the Matter you're asking about and the Planet that rules that Sign represents the Matter. The Matter can be a person or a thing or an idea (like a rumor or a dream).
6) the relationship between those two rulers tells you what has happened, and what is yet to come. That relationship is in the form of aspects. If there are no aspects, then there is nothing to come.
7) the Moon plays a special dual-role signifying the State of Mind of the Querent and also how things play out, how they happen, and when they happen. When there are no aspects formed by the Moon (ie it is Void of Course) then nothing will happen. Note that there are a handful of certain special select Horary Questions where a Void of Course Moon is not relevant. Those are often war, conflict or legal questions, or Questions related to Career.

8) in addition to forming aspects, those Planets must also have Perfect Reception, as opposed to simple Reception. Reception is about "allowing." For example if Mars is applying in aspect to Jupiter, and Jupiter receives Mars then Jupiter is allowing Mars to act. Jupiter is effectively saying, "Go ahead and do that thing that you do." If Jupiter does not receive Mars, then Jupiter is effectively saying, "Go away and leave me alone. Go. Get out of here." If it is a Sign of Enmity, like Mars in Capricorn (the Fall of Jupiter) then Jupiter is effectively saying, "Cease and Desist. I will stop you from doing anything. If necessary, I may even get violent to stop you." And that just might be the case if Jupiter were also in a Violent Sign, otherwise Jupiter would just keep slamming doors in your face.

9) How things actually play out depends a lot on the "strength" of the Planets involved. The strength of the Planets indicates their ability to do act and do things and carry out plans and make things happen. A Planet that is not just in its own Sign, but also in its Triplicity or Term, and is Direct in Motion, Fast in Speed, Angular or Succedent, in Hayz, in a trine aspect with Venus/Jupiter/Sun is very powerful. That's a person with a purpose in life who has both the will and ability to act and make things happen.

A Planet that is Slow in Speed, Retrograde, in Fall/Detriment, Cadent, and not in Sect or worse is Out-of Sect isn't going to be able to do anything, even when there is Perfect Reception in the chart, this person is going to botch every thing up and turn a dream about ponies and gum-drops into a nightmare, because they don't have the strength or will to make things happen.

10) when charts have early/late Ascendants, Void of Course Moons, Moon via Combusta, Saturn in the 1st or 7th House (when not a significator) you can look at the chart for reasons why you are getting those warnings.

Often a non-significator Planet is making an aspect to one of the primary significators. Sextiles and trines usually indicate on-going events which first must be completed before anything can happen. Conjunctions, squares and opposition usually indicate obstacles that are preventing things from happening, and with the "hard" aspects sometimes things can still happen if those obstacles can be overcome.

The condition and placement of the Moon/Ascendant Ruler will tell you the State of Mind and what kind of person the Querent is; good-hearted, or ambivalent, or in sheer terror, in a total panic, has the "stink of desperation" or is immature and selfish, looking do to harm, or is someone you wouldn't let your dog go near. The Planet that is the Quesited/Matter will tell you about them, but not with the same clarity as the Querent. A poorly placed 10th House Ruler might be a job you really don't want, because it ain't all that or isn't what you think it is. A poorly placed 7th House Ruler is someone you might not really want to be with, or something you don't really want to buy and so on.

For a Planet (like the Ascendant Ruler) in Detriment, it is important that it make an aspect to the 1st House (ie it is not inconjunct in the 2nd, 6th, 8th or 12th Houses), and for other significators that it aspect the House it rules. A Planet that is inconjunct to the House it rules can't witness or give testimony to the affairs of that House. That means it cannot control those events, and being weak in Detriment has even less control and less ability to effect outcomes.
 
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