Have all the planets ever being in their own signs @ same time?

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Inside Out Orange

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Caprising said:
Yes , before Uranus and Neptune were discovered the astrologers of the day had to find rulers of Aquarius and Pisces, isn't it amazing that they chose planets that were very well placed in these 2 signs!
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I thought it was because it makes for good 'symmetry' particularly on a wheel ....

Sun - Leo ........ Cancer - Moon
Mercury - Virgo ...... Gemini
Venus - Libra ...... Taurus
Mars - Scorpio ... Aries
Jupiter - Sag ........ Pisces
Saturn - Cap ........ Aqu
 
BOOGY99

BOOGY99

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i have a few planets in their own sign.

not sure what happends re the houses they are in.

eg.

sun 1 deg virgo...cusp of leo ???

moon in cancer, but 10th house ??

mercury in virgo 1st house

venus in libra 2nd house

mars in cancer but 10th house

jupiter in pisces but in 6th house

saturn in aqa but in 5th house

wonder if they canx out the positive placement of the planets in detriment houses??

my chart
 
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Claire19

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BOOGY99 said:
i have a few planets in their own sign.

not sure what happends re the houses they are in.

eg.

sun 1 deg virgo...cusp of leo ???

moon in cancer, but 10th house ??

mercury in virgo 1st house

venus in libra 2nd house

mars in cancer but 10th house

jupiter in pisces but in 6th house

saturn in aqa but in 5th house

wonder if they canx out the positive placement of the planets in detriment houses??

my chart
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I would count Moon in Cancer, Venus in Libra and MErcury in Virgo only,
 
Ataraxy

Ataraxy

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Hi,

It's also an old astrological myth. The astrologers Firmicus Maternus, Manilius and Paul of Alexandria tell us about a secret shared by Hermes with Egyptian priests. Hermes told them about the positions of the planets when world was "born". So the priests got the chart of the world : the "Thema Mundi", world theme. In that chart Sun is in Leo 15°, Moon in Cancer 15°, Mercury in Virgo 15°, Venus in Libra 15°, Mars in Scorpio 15°, Jupiter in Sagittarius 15° and Saturn in Capricorn 15°. Those positions can't be real. It's a fictitious justification for the dignities : "Sun rules Leo because it was in Leo when world was born..."

I think the original latin version of the text can be found on the internet : in Matheseos, book III, chap I, written by Firmicus Maternus.
 
Frank

Frank

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Ataraxy said:
Hi,

It's also an old astrological myth. The astrologers Firmicus Maternus, Manilius and Paul of Alexandria tell us about a secret shared by Hermes with Egyptian priests. Hermes told them about the positions of the planets when world was "born". So the priests got the chart of the world : the "Thema Mundi", world theme. In that chart Sun is in Leo 15°, Moon in Cancer 15°, Mercury in Virgo 15°, Venus in Libra 15°, Mars in Scorpio 15°, Jupiter in Sagittarius 15° and Saturn in Capricorn 15°. Those positions can't be real. It's a fictitious justification for the dignities : "Sun rules Leo because it was in Leo when world was born..."

I think the original latin version of the text can be found on the internet : in Matheseos, book III, chap I, written by Firmicus Maternus.
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By current researchers, the Thema Mundi is considered to be used more as a learning tool back then than be thought of as an actual chart. There was an interesting talk on this by Chris Brennan at the NCGR conference this past Sunday, just prior to my lecture. He lined out the way that the Thema Mundi also can show one the relationships amongst Sect, Exaltation, and Benefic/Malefic came to be determined.
 
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kennedyrosewhith

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It would be a lot of searching, especially when you need Pluto in Scorpio, Neptune in Pisces, and Uranus in Aquarius. The last time Pluto was in Scorpio (80s-90s, I think?), this line-up didn't exist. You'd have to go back a couple hundred years or so for another chance, unless you aren't considering outer planets, in which case the chart has already been found.
 
Frank

Frank

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It's not that difficult for me, really, because I only use the Classical Planrets in rulership schemes. I have had issues with the length of time it takes the software to calculate these times, however. Thus far, I've only been able to find the 1903 date.

This weekend, I'm going to break it into much smaller chunks by frist search for those periods when Jupiter and Saturn where in Domicile, then searching within those times for all in Domicile.
 
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eternalautumn

Frank, I want to apologize. I did not mean to steal your thunder on this thread, and I hope no one else thinks that. It just so happened that I had found that chart a few weeks ago, and upon seeing this thread figured I might add to it. Please do not take my participation as an attack on you or anything like that.
 
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dr. farr

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(Disclaimer: the following is presented as a curious item of general information ONLY)


Regarding the Thema Mundi (and its legends), certain esotericists* in the latter part of the 1800's stated that the origin of planetary rulership is from the actual (ie astronomical) order of planets in a loop from the Sun out to Saturn and then "falling" on the end of the return loop, just before returning to the Sun, down to what they called "the final creation", ie, the Moon. Starting with Leo and the Sun (Leo the beginning of the creation circle because, as the Thema Mundi states, the earth was created when the Sun was in Leo), this loop (or as those esotericists called it, "the creation circle") goes like this:
Leo: Sun ---Virgo:Mercury (astronomically 1st from Sun)---Libra:Venus---Scorpio:Mars---Sagittarius:Jupiter---Capricorn:Saturn (end of loop, circle curves back heading back toward Sun), thus: Aquarius:Saturn (start of return loop at the "farthest extremity" from Sun)---Pisces:Jupiter (astronomically 1st planet "back" from Saturn)---Aries:Mars---Taurus:Venus---Gemini:Mercury---(then the "circle" or "loop" falls to the "last creation")---Cancer:Moon (and from the Moon, falls to the earth)
Another term for this circle or loop was "the path of the creative arrow", shot from the Sun, "bouncing" and turned by Saturn (double rulerships of Capricorn and Aquarius), returning toward the Sun, then "falling" to the Moon(Cancer) and landing with its creational input, upon the earth.






*I won't mention them because of the problems which arose on another Forum when I began elaborating about this subject.
 
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