General questions about charts and relationships

[Nof]

Hello dears,

I have 2 general questions... from your astrological experience:
1.
What has more influence on \"whether or not a relationship will develop and last...\"

An event chart of the moment of introduction between the man and the woman?
Or their couple charts (synastry and composite)?

Meaning, if for example a negative event chart, but a very romantic and intense synastry... (or the opposite)
What will influence and determine more?

2.
Have you come across cases where a synastry chart was excellent, a composite was excellent...
But in reality nothing happened between the man and the woman?

I mean, could it be that despite the positive dynamic between the planets, they didn´t feel the same towards each other?

many thanks for everyone

 

[IleneK]

Would you want to put up the chart for us to see?

 

[ElenaJ]

Thanks guys for your comments.

I would love to hear more opinions on this chart, an event chart of a first meeting between a man and a woman.

What are you referring to here? Am I missing something?

1.
What has more influence on \"whether or not a relationship will develop and last...\"

An event chart of the moment of introduction between the man and the woman?
Or their couple charts (synastry and composite)?

What I have come across with various charts is that the event chart is not a reliable indicator of how things will develop.

2.
Have you come across cases where a synastry chart was excellent, a composite was excellent...
But in reality nothing happened between the man and the woman?

Sometimes the timing just isn't right, or for example one or both might be in a relationship or married.
The progressed chart of each person can give an indication of whether they are at a moment in time that is "ripe" for a new relationship or love interest in their life.

 

[Outlook]

1. neither. one or you both could be perfectly matched but going through difficult times and its a case of right people wrong time.

2. again…. neither. see above.

 

[Nof]

Thank you for your response 🙏
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this is the synastry chart (he is the outer circle)

 

[Nof]

This is the composite chart

 

[Nof]

This is the event chart of the first physical meeting between us

 

[Nof]

Would you want to put up the chart for us to see?

I added, thank you 😊

 

[ElenaJ]

Thank you for your response 🙏
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this is the synastry chart (he is the outer circle)

Nof, could you re-post the synastry chart without all the asteroids inserted?
The degree table becomes illegible with so many entries.

 

[Nof]

Sy

Nof, could you re-post the synastry chart without all the asteroids inserted?
The degree table becomes illegible with so many entries.

Synastry chart (he is the outer circle)

 

[waybread]

Hello dears,

I have 2 general questions... from your astrological experience:
1.
What has more influence on \"whether or not a relationship will develop and last...\"

An event chart of the moment of introduction between the man and the woman?
Or their couple charts (synastry and composite)?

Meaning, if for example a negative event chart, but a very romantic and intense synastry... (or the opposite)
What will influence and determine more?

2.
Have you come across cases where a synastry chart was excellent, a composite was excellent...
But in reality nothing happened between the man and the woman?

I mean, could it be that despite the positive dynamic between the planets, they didn´t feel the same towards each other?

many thanks for everyone

I would look first at the synastry and composite charts. They will indicate the level of two people's compatibility.

But there is no guarantee of a lasting relationship. Obviously one person might be unavailable for various reasons, no matter how well two people get along.

You might also ask a horary question about a relationship, such as, "Will we marry?"

Also look at each chart individually. Are both people actually good relationship material?

 

[waybread]

Nof, when you post charts, please make sure the degrees are legible. We need to see if relationships between planets are in-orb. I couldn't enlarge the aspectarian without losing the resolution.

 

[ElenaJ]

Sy

Synastry chart (he is the outer circle)

Before looking at the aspects, just a quick visual of the chart tells us quite a lot.
Everything in the synastry and composite charts is so compact! They are both "bottom heavy" charts.
In general terms, this isn't necessarily a negative, but consider that when any difficult transits are active, there will not be any balance to counter the heaviness of those transits.
For example, transiting Saturn now is in early pisces, but as it progresses and passes through aires, taurus, gemini, etc on its pathway, the synastry planets will all be receiving that energy, but because they are so concentrated, it will be felt more strongly creating more stress on the relationship. It will be one down followed by another down as it activates each planet by turn.
In an ideal situation when one of the partners is passing through a difficult period, the other one will be able to bolster them because they are not negatively caught up in the aspect that causes the stress, or they are in a positive aspect with that planet.
In this case, it is only your Jupiter that is separated from the heavy cluster of energy, which will place a heavy burden on you to hold things together. It can be done, but it is not at all easy.
However, on the positive side your Jupiter is in an exact sextile with his mars, and this is very important because Jupiter is your descendent ruler and mars is his, so your descendents (sense of relationship) are linked together and favour a commitment.
The synastry has conjunctions of sun/pluto, moon/pluto, moon/neptune, Neptune/SN, all very compelling but also controlling aspects.
They pull you together but also separate once the first poetic and romantic illusion fades.
Notice also your mars, off by itself and not part of the general structure of the relationship, except for a very wide (so quite weak) square to his sun. Which is another difficult aspect to handle.
Negative aspects in a relationship can be active in a relationship, and it will work if there are positive aspects to counter-balance them.
Finally, his Uranus on your 4th cusp is unsettling at the best, but conducive to unexpected changes and separation, which doesn't make for a long term solid relationship.
In the event chart, in fact, moon approaches a square to Uranus. Sudden fascination, just as sudden separation.
This really looks like a relationship to be lived for the hare's breath that it might last, and it can be one of the most influential and memorable contacts of your lives.

 

[Nof]

Before looking at the aspects, just a quick visual of the chart tells us quite a lot.
Everything in the synastry and composite charts is so compact! They are both "bottom heavy" charts.
In general terms, this isn't necessarily a negative, but consider that when any difficult transits are active, there will not be any balance to counter the heaviness of those transits.
For example, transiting Saturn now is in early pisces, but as it progresses and passes through aires, taurus, gemini, etc on its pathway, the synastry planets will all be receiving that energy, but because they are so concentrated, it will be felt more strongly creating more stress on the relationship. It will be one down followed by another down as it activates each planet by turn.
In an ideal situation when one of the partners is passing through a difficult period, the other one will be able to bolster them because they are not negatively caught up in the aspect that causes the stress, or they are in a positive aspect with that planet.
In this case, it is only your Jupiter that is separated from the heavy cluster of energy, which will place a heavy burden on you to hold things together. It can be done, but it is not at all easy.
However, on the positive side your Jupiter is in an exact sextile with his mars, and this is very important because Jupiter is your descendent ruler and mars is his, so your descendents (sense of relationship) are linked together and favour a commitment.
The synastry has conjunctions of sun/pluto, moon/pluto, moon/neptune, Neptune/SN, all very compelling but also controlling aspects.
They pull you together but also separate once the first poetic and romantic illusion fades.
Notice also your mars, off by itself and not part of the general structure of the relationship, except for a very wide (so quite weak) square to his sun. Which is another difficult aspect to handle.
Negative aspects in a relationship can be active in a relationship, and it will work if there are positive aspects to counter-balance them.
Finally, his Uranus on your 4th cusp is unsettling at the best, but conducive to unexpected changes and separation, which doesn't make for a long term solid relationship.
In the event chart, in fact, moon approaches a square to Uranus. Sudden fascination, just as sudden separation.
This really looks like a relationship to be lived for the hare's breath that it might last, and it can be one of the most influential and memorable contacts of your lives.

Thank you dear for your time and help.

I thought Pluto-Sun conjunctions don't count because Pluto is in Libra and the Sun is in Scorpio.

But I did think that the very close Saturn Sun conjunction would help stability despite Uranus.

And by the way, are the feelings mutual here? Can you see what the man (Scorpio Moon) feels towards the woman (Scorpio Sun)?

Many thanks again 🙏❤️

 

[ElenaJ]

I thought Pluto-Sun conjunctions don't count because Pluto is in Libra and the Sun is in Scorpio.

Can you explain this a bit? Not following you.

the very close Saturn Sun conjunction

This is stabile. But it is also suffocating. Not easy to live with someone who weighs down on you.
It could work if the person receiving the Saturn aspect has a lot of Saturn in their chart, for example Capricorn, or Saturn aspects, in which case they are accustomed to that type of energy, so they would more easily accept it from a partner.
In fact, he is a sun Capricorn, with a natal Saturn/moon conjunction, and Saturn square mercury.

However, you don't have that in your chart.
So his Saturn on your sun/mercury/pluto can over time become very heavy for you.
Your sagittarius moon/uranus might not put up with it for long.

Can you see what the man (Scorpio Moon) feels towards the woman (Scorpio Sun)?

This might depend on a lot of factors, but the sun/moon contact is certainly a strong draw between two persons.
The ideal situation would be the male sun and the female moon, so in this case it is reversed.
There is a lot of empathy between you, but a scorpio sun woman usually wants a strong male,.
You would be drawing out his emotional side, and while it is certainly attractive, you may feel it's too soft as male energy.

Your moon/jupiter trine tends to be optimistic and generous and hopeful.
His very active Saturn will keep him grounded and serious and even pessimistic in general.
That can grind you down day in and day out, and you will find yourself rebelling against it.
Which will call into play the Pluto contacts... each of you working to change the other to be more like your own perfect image of them.

 

[Outlook]

honestly, i wouldnt look at any of above. its a case of first look at each individual and their inclinations. if a person is a problem there is no genuine possibility of relationship.

it then is role playing. Like two dancers on a stage who dance around each other but not ever together.

if its role playing level relationship, anyone who is also only capable of role playing and not integrating, will do.

all thise intense feelings if created by inherited genetic memory, will only trigger resurgence of doom and gloom without really understanding what and why. pluto isnt good with relationships. anything centered on this wont be comfortable around being triggered anf losing control, its then a battleground of attract repel. thats not a relationship. its war.

 

[Nof]

honestly, i wouldnt look at any of above. its a case of first look at each individual and their inclinations. if a person is a problem there is no genuine possibility of relationship.

it then is role playing. Like two dancers on a stage who dance around each other but not ever together.

if its role playing level relationship, anyone who is also only capable of role playing and not integrating, will do.

all thise intense feelings if created by inherited genetic memory, will only trigger resurgence of doom and gloom without really understanding what and why. pluto isnt good with relationships. anything centered on this wont be comfortable around being triggered anf losing control, its then a battleground of attract repel. thats not a relationship. its war.

Hello dear,
Thanks for your time and help 🙏

I'm not sure if I'm really understand what do you mean (my English is not so good)

So can you please explain yourself more?

 

[Nof]

, בדיוק כמו פרידה פתאומית.
זה באמת נראה כמו מערכת יחסים שיש לחיות בשביל הנשימה של הארנבת שתחזיק מעמד, וזה יכול להיות אחד מאנשי הקשר המשפיעים והבלתי נשכחים בחייכם.

Hey dear,
Thanks for your time and help. I'm really appreciate it 🙏

My English is not so good... so I'm not sure if I'm understand the meaning of that sentence (with a rabit)

And why do you think that - "it can be one of the most influential and memorable contacts of my lives."? (I'm a woman's scorpion sun)

And what do you think, it mutual?
I mean, does he feel that way too? affected like that?
How does he feel/experience/see this relationship?

A lot of thanks again ❤️🙏