Gemini curse?

crispycritter71

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Just to make this clear, I am not a believer. However, I also do not take part in dismissing others beliefs either, that is why I am here.

I have a woman friend who seemed to be very interested in me romantically until she found out my birthday May 30th. She was horrified because she has had terrible luck with past relationships with men who were Gemini. (She is Virgo Sept 15th)

She said it was a Gemini curse and she can only be "friends" with a Gemini. She seemed honestly upset and disappointed when I told her my birthday, so I do not think this is just an excuse.

Any advice would be appreciated on how to proceed, but please keep it simple. My eyes start to cross and bug out when I hear all the zodiac jargon, sorry.. :)

Thanks,

Crispycritter
 

ALRESCHA

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Just to make this clear, I am not a believer. However, I also do not take part in dismissing others beliefs either, that is why I am here.

I have a woman friend who seemed to be very interested in me romantically until she found out my birthday May 30th. She was horrified because she has had terrible luck with past relationships with men who were Gemini. (She is Virgo Sept 15th)

She said it was a Gemini curse and she can only be "friends" with a Gemini. She seemed honestly upset and disappointed when I told her my birthday, so I do not think this is just an excuse.

Any advice would be appreciated on how to proceed, but please keep it simple. My eyes start to cross and bug out when I hear all the zodiac jargon, sorry.. :)

Thanks,

Crispycritter

Hello, Gemini :lol:

The lady is talking about the Sun sign compatibility. Virgo and Gemini fields are 90 degrees apart in the circle that is represented by the 12 fields, and that makes their interaction difficult like riding a bike with square wheels, if you will.

Luckily, that is no biggie, because what everyone is is not their Sun sign alone. Please let her know that you have read online that one should look to their rising sign and its opposite sign too to see a relationship potential, for start.

You can also be romantic and say that the square would be a divine trine, flowing naturally like water, if it didn't lack 30 more degrees of love and forgivence. That, fortunately isn't impossible to build despite the circumstances you are in.

But do wait until the middle of October to clear that up and be patient :joyful:

I hope you decide to stay and learn :happy:
 

Osamenor

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That "Gemini curse" is of her own making. If she was interested in you romantically at first, she's obviously not incapable of being more than friends with anyone born in the last week and a half of May or first three weeks of June. That she "can't be more than friends" with Geminis is her own personal decision to consider certain birthdates a deal breaker.

She must be basing that assumption on sun sign astrology, which is half baked at best. Sun sign astrology equates your sun sign with you. Real astrology acknowledges that we all have all the signs in us. Sun sign is one of the signs that's highlighted--your sun sign represents the kind of personal growth you need over your lifetime--but any other sign where you have planets, or the moon, or your ascendant, is also highlighted. Signs are archetypes that we all carry within us. Highlighted signs, including the sun's sign, are the archetypes we express the most and respond to the most.

The next bit of information your "lady friend" has apparently garbled is aspects. Simply put, aspects are geometric angles between planets, and they depend on sign placements. Some aspects are considered harmonious, while others are considered challenging. It might be summed up as saying the planets "get along" or "don't get along." Gemini and Virgo are 90 degrees apart, so if planets in them form an aspect, it's a square, which is one of the challenging aspects. Hence the myth that Geminis and Virgos are incompatible. The truth is much more complex.

Gemini and Virgo are archetypes that act in very different ways and "want" different things. In that respect, they're at odds. But that being at odds doesn't play out between people with those sun signs so much as between the Gemini and Virgo in an individual birth chart.

If your birth chart has a planet in Gemini and a planet in Virgo (for astrology purposes, the sun and moon are also planets), and they're within 5-10 degrees of forming a 90 degree angle, that's a square. That means the parts of your own psyche represented by those planets "want" very different things. You might experience that as a battle within yourself, between competing desires. You might try to quash one of those desires in favor of the other. You might get stuck between those competing desires and not be able to do anything. Or, if you respond in a healthy way, you might find both of those desires sharpened and strengthened, each in their own different way.

If your sun and your friend's sun form a square, all that means is that your core personalities want very different things and need to grow in very different ways. That doesn't make you incompatible with each other. It's certainly possible for couples to both be developing their personalities in very different ways, while supporting each other's growth and harmoniously sharing other parts of their lives.

If your birthday is May 30th and hers is September 15th, your suns are square by sign, but they don't form an actual square because the orb (distance between them) is too wide. May 30th is early Gemini and September 15th is late Virgo. Those dates would put your suns about 20 degrees away from a 90 degree angle. That would serve to lessen the friction. However, you could have a perfect square between your suns and still be a good couple (if not for her decision not to consider Geminis!) because in that case, the square might be what provides the spark to keep the relationship alive, especially if you have lots of harmonious aspects in other parts of your charts.

I have a prime example of that in my own family: my parents. Mom's an Aries, Dad's a Cancer--square by sign--and they both have their suns in the same degree of their signs, so their suns form a perfect square. They've been pretty harmoniously married for 43 years and counting. I did realize, though, after taking up astrology, that my parents do have very different personalities from each other--rather a shock for a daughter who always thought of them as a unit, just mom-and-dad!--and yes, they pursue very different interests day to day, and always have. But they also have a few shared interests, which is how they spend time together, and they get along well when it comes to living together. So, in their case, the sun square is probably the spark that keeps the marriage alive.
 

CapAquaPis

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Gemini and Virgo are ruled by Mercury...there could be an effect Mercury has on Geminis' ability to relate to each other. Virgos have a reputation as the least likable sign in astrology. Not many people in most signs it seems can relate positively to a Virgo and they complain how Virgos are to them. I'm certain Gemini and Virgo have separate other co-ruling planets: Virgo has Ceres, Gemini has Eris. Not all astrologers agree with my views on it, but to combine dwarf planets with Mercury doesn't seem to come out good. I thought Geminis would find it more difficult to relate to Sagittarius and Virgo with Pisces, which are opposite signs. Gemini-Pisces and Virgo-Sagittarius (square sign chart alignment) won't be good matches either.

And about astrological curses, KRSone made a YT video on the curses of Scorpio and Aquarius. Scorpio has a strong negative omen to it and Aquarius' symbol of loss of wealth and luck. I never knew one about Gemini prevented them from having good romantic relationships with their fellow astrological kin. My ability as an Aquarius to relate perfectly with another Aquarian has to do with their individual moon signs, ascendants and placements of "romantic" Venus (if in Aquarius, not going to work out). I thought having a decan of Libra as a Late Aquarius (Feb. 15th) would indicate compatibility with a Libra or my birthdate planet Venus (15 is the numerological #6) can gravitate me to Libras, as well to Taurus.

Scorpio and Aquarius are square (about 90 degrees) to each other, so there will be an issue when the two attempt to form a relationship. I can't stand Scorpios and Aries, both ruled by Mars and/or Pluto. Can't stand Scorpio (and Aries) anger, rage, being controlled or dominated, and OH LORD: their tempers. Another squaring sign to Aquarius is Taurus and I find them stubborn, standoffish, rough, tough and only care about themselves, or doesn't care about anything "hasn't to do with them". Hard to make friends, fall in love or have something in common with a Taurus in my experiences. My Mom (Apr 29, 1951) and brother (Apr 23, 1981) are Taurus and they find astrology to be dumb, pity, fictitious or unrealistic.
 

Oddity

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As you can see from this thread, there are indeed people who believe in sun-sign astrology. And a lot who don't.

Your lady friend might, or she might just be trying to let you down easy. 'Our love is cursed' sounds so much nicer than 'I think I made a mistake, really, I don't like you.'

Possible?
 

dhundhun

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Just to make this clear, I am not a believer. However, I also do not take part in dismissing others beliefs either, that is why I am here.

I have a woman friend who seemed to be very interested in me romantically until she found out my birthday May 30th. She was horrified because she has had terrible luck with past relationships with men who were Gemini. (She is Virgo Sept 15th)

She said it was a Gemini curse and she can only be "friends" with a Gemini. She seemed honestly upset and disappointed when I told her my birthday, so I do not think this is just an excuse.

Any advice would be appreciated on how to proceed, but please keep it simple. My eyes start to cross and bug out when I hear all the zodiac jargon, sorry.. :)

Thanks,

Crispycritter

Gemini can flirt and give false signal in matter related to love. For many people love is serious matter. If it is so in her case (I mean serious matter), she will always feel betrayed by flirting. You have to prove that you lack flirting quality of Gemini and in matters related to love you are serious.

Good luck.
 
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crispycritter71

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From the way she talks, she segregates everyone according to their birth sign and that predetermines her opinion of what kind of a person they are. It's like a Christian having a predetermined opinion about a Jewish person being greedy before they even meet them.

She doesn't mention sun signs, or planets, or anything else. She said she has a bunch of books for reference though that she goes by.

Her Gemini curse is simply based on the fact that she dated 4 men who were Gemini and all ended very badly compared to any other relationships she has had. So she will not date a Gemini but will be friends with them.

So basically is she just nuts or misinformed about astrology?
 

Osamenor

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Her Gemini curse is simply based on the fact that she dated 4 men who were Gemini and all ended very badly compared to any other relationships she has had. So she will not date a Gemini but will be friends with them.
And yet all of her relationships ended. And the only common factor in all of her relationships is her.

That sun sign astrology simplistic thinking sounds like something a young person would do. If she's older than her early/mid twenties and still thinks that way, she's quite immature--and if she's younger and has had that many relationships, it sounds like an inability to sustain any real longterm relationship. Or, maybe a young woman playing the field and not wanting to get seriously involved with anyone.

If that's the case with her, I'd suspect she might have Gemini descending. That would give her, probably, a very impulsive style of relating to people romantically and possibly a need for multiple partners. It would also mean that she's strongly attracted to people who show very Gemini-like characteristics. That wouldn't necessarily mean Gemini sun sign people, but it likely would mean that most of the people she gets interested in have Gemini highlighted in some way.

So basically is she just nuts or misinformed about astrology?
Sounds like she's both.
 

ALRESCHA

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From the way she talks, she segregates everyone according to their birth sign and that predetermines her opinion of what kind of a person they are. It's like a Christian having a predetermined opinion about a Jewish person being greedy before they even meet them.

She doesn't mention sun signs, or planets, or anything else. She said she has a bunch of books for reference though that she goes by.

Her Gemini curse is simply based on the fact that she dated 4 men who were Gemini and all ended very badly compared to any other relationships she has had. So she will not date a Gemini but will be friends with them.

So basically is she just nuts or misinformed about astrology?

Strong Virgo placement often makes people criticize and discriminate... But her assumptions about Gemini men are obviously based on bad personal experiences. The woman might have a Gemini Mars... Seems to me like she only doesn't want to suffer again.

She is obviously reading girls' magazines astrology sections only, but, how is that a reason to hate on a person? She is yet to become familiar with astrology, that is no reason to call a person nuts and she didn't do anything bad either.

Since you would make her being nuts an option before taking her perspective into consideration, I think it's best to stay away from her.

dhundhun explained why she's right about giving you the cold shoulder.
 

Fay

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Gemini and Virgo are ruled by Mercury...there could be an effect Mercury has on Geminis' ability to relate to each other. Virgos have a reputation as the least likable sign in astrology. Not many people in most signs it seems can relate positively to a Virgo and they complain how Virgos are to them. I'm certain Gemini and Virgo have separate other co-ruling planets: Virgo has Ceres, Gemini has Eris. Not all astrologers agree with my views on it, but to combine dwarf planets with Mercury doesn't seem to come out good. I thought Geminis would find it more difficult to relate to Sagittarius and Virgo with Pisces, which are opposite signs. Gemini-Pisces and Virgo-Sagittarius (square sign chart alignment) won't be good matches either.

And about astrological curses, KRSone made a YT video on the curses of Scorpio and Aquarius. Scorpio has a strong negative omen to it and Aquarius' symbol of loss of wealth and luck. I never knew one about Gemini prevented them from having good romantic relationships with their fellow astrological kin. My ability as an Aquarius to relate perfectly with another Aquarian has to do with their individual moon signs, ascendants and placements of "romantic" Venus (if in Aquarius, not going to work out). I thought having a decan of Libra as a Late Aquarius (Feb. 15th) would indicate compatibility with a Libra or my birthdate planet Venus (15 is the numerological #6) can gravitate me to Libras, as well to Taurus.

Scorpio and Aquarius are square (about 90 degrees) to each other, so there will be an issue when the two attempt to form a relationship. I can't stand Scorpios and Aries, both ruled by Mars and/or Pluto. Can't stand Scorpio (and Aries) anger, rage, being controlled or dominated, and OH LORD: their tempers. Another squaring sign to Aquarius is Taurus and I find them stubborn, standoffish, rough, tough and only care about themselves, or doesn't care about anything "hasn't to do with them". Hard to make friends, fall in love or have something in common with a Taurus in my experiences. My Mom (Apr 29, 1951) and brother (Apr 23, 1981) are Taurus and they find astrology to be dumb, pity, fictitious or unrealistic.

You probably wouldn't like me too much then...I am a Virgo Sun with Mars in Scorpio...oops!:whistling:
 

Fay

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I have to add that my Mom, brother, daughter and most of my friends are all Aquarians though!:wink:

I was married to one once too....hmmm, was being the key word, lol.
 

junoisuppose

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This is interesting. I kind of have the same opinion as this lady, although I'm a cancer (virgo rising though). & before everyone accuses me of only knowing my sun signs I assure them I have studied astrology for the last 20+ years, but still feel this way about geminis. I've had 4 failed relationships with geminis, along with 1 with a virgo & 1 with a cancer. But I keep attracting them because my moon is in gemini, along with my eros (the asteroid that makes us googly eyed over people) and the ruler of my 7th house is in my 3rd house. My best friend, who I have known since nursery, is a gemini, because she amuses me and doesn't take life seriously, but I don't think I would ever want to be romantically involved with someone like her.
Perhaps this lady also has something similar in her chart which is why she keeps falling for geminis even though they cause her pain, and she needs to learn to integrate that gemini part of her personality.
If you're seriously interested in pursuing a relationship with this person, and didn't only like her because she initially showed interest in you, then I'd suggest asking her what it is about geminis that she finds difficult and see if that is something that you can compromise on with her.
Both virgo and gemini are mutable signs so the fickleness of gemini, where they change their opinions and likes frequently, wouldn't be so much of a problem for a virgo as for some other signs, also virgo and gemini are both ruled by mercury so she shouldn't feel intimidated by gemini's quick wit and gift of the gab as some signs do. For water signs (& this is my own experience talking) it is that geminis (generally) don't understand our feelings or display empathy for our feelings, preferring instead to talk about some movie they've seen, to talk about some art critic's ideas they've read in the paper or some obscure new musician they've discovered. These things add interest to life but are not much use when your feelings are overwhelming you and need to be listened to and understood.
You said that this lady initially liked you but now doesn't, but how about you? How do you feel about her? Do you enjoy her company? Do you like being around her? Are you genuinely interested in her?
As has already been mentioned virgos like stability and are (generally speaking) loyal in their relationships, whereas gemini will at least talk to everyone, if not outright flirt with them, even explore whether there could be any possibility of a relationship with others. This could be a point of contention between you. However you may have many other positive aspects between the other planets in your charts and that may be sufficient to overcome this difficulty.
Also, as you probably already know, just because this particular virgo lady doesn't like geminis, or more specifically some gemini traits since she did like you, doesn't mean that all virgos will feel this way, and others may have planets such as the moon in gemini which will draw them to you.
 
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ALRESCHA

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If you're seriously interested in pursuing a relationship with this person, and didn't only like her because she initially showed interest in you, then I'd suggest asking her what it is about geminis that she finds difficult and see if that is something that you can compromise on with her.
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You said that this lady initially liked you but now doesn't, but how about you? How do you feel about her? Do you enjoy her company? Do you like being around her? Are you genuinely interested in her?

If we analyze his attitude, we can easily see that he isn't seriously interested because you don't call a person nuts, you try to understand them if you are. I sometimes feel that no mater what, they can never go as deep as the water Suns.

He could have bought her a book where she could read about a chart and understand that they still have a chance or ask anyone here to read their synastry.

My Sun's in Scorpio, my rising sign is Virgo too and nearly all my best friends are Gemini Suns. I am a Gemini and I know it! :lol:
 

david starling

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Speaking of Sun-sign astrology, a young woman overheard me talking to a client about the likely effect of Saturn reentering Sagittarius in regard to the client's chart (mostly positive in this case); she declared she didn't believe in astrology because she had been told by someone (?) that Scorpio Suns don't make good marriage partners (whereas she and her husband have a wonderful married relationship). I've never heard of that one. She also complained about astrology being used to put people in "boxes"--I've noticed that myself! Sun-sign astrology is fun though, and most people do display some of those traits. How many of us became interested in astrology because we could identify with our Sun-sign? I grew up in a solidly Taurian family. Having Sun and Asc. in Pisces, and with Moon in Aquarius and no planets in any Earth sign, much less Taurus, I felt like a fish out of water. Just knowing my Sun-sign helped. I came to astrology late, at age 18. My family derided my interest in it, in a very Taurian way--made believing in it even easier!
 
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ALRESCHA

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Speaking of Sun-sign astrology, a young woman overheard me talking to a client about the likely effect of Saturn reentering Sagittarius in regard to the client's chart (mostly positive in this case); she declared she didn't believe in astrology because she had been told by someone (?) that Scorpio Suns don't make good marriage partners (whereas she and her husband have a wonderful married relationship). I've never heard of that one.

I have :lol: you should see two scorpions mate :lol:

That should all change soon, I believe mostly everyone will eventually take astrology seriously in our time :love:
 

david starling

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Like two porcupines, right?! Very carefully! Someone posted a quote that went something like: " I'm a skeptical Sagittarian so I don't believe in Astrology!"
 
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ALRESCHA

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Like two porcupines, right?! Very carefully! Someone posted a quote that went something like: " I'm a skeptical Sagittarian so I don't believe in Astrology!"

hahahaha

you had me google 'how do porcupines mate' :lol:

it's nothing like that. the only physical contact is male holding the female's pincers and massaging her jaw with his jaw while pulling her over to his side to do the trick. it looks like dancing and they shiver until they lower the stings

very difficult to trust one another

cheers
 

david starling

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Here's a Sun-sign pattern I'd like your opinion on: Cardinal-signs future oriented, planning; Fixed-signs past oriented, remembering; Mutable-signs present oriented, improvising.
 
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