First Saturn Return

gemitau

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Hello!

I am currently going through my first Saturn Return. My chart has a preponderant Saturn, domiciled in Aquarius and the first house, aspecting a bunch of personal planets.

I feel Saturn's transit through my 12th house has been a before and after. Important mental health issues emerged and I have been working very hard to gain clarity within, build healthy boundaries, understand myself, and struggling to learn to let go of my resistance to "what it is". Probably 12th houses topics. I really feel I am deeply understanding the Saturn within me and I'm pretty structured now, although mental health issues are still there, my window of tolerance has greatly improved and I'm able to materialise and function well in our practical reality. In the relationships sphere I have also improved a lot but also struggle (although less) to share intimacy easily. I learnt about limits and structure the hard way.

Now transiting Saturn is about to conjunct my ascendant and enter the 1st house. It will retrograde and leave and enter again for good in autumn.

Almost two months ago I had a knee injury and I'm still waiting for surgery. I walk with a crutch and it has really impacted my life. I am a dancer and I can't practice now, either spend a lot of time walking. The waiting is being kinda heavy as I had to fight a lot to get in the queue for the operation, the public health here is not working really well. I still have to cope with a lot of uncertainty as I don't know when the operation will be and when will I be able to return to the dancefloor. Also I had to stop several projects because of this, the good thing is that I am working on other fields now but I know my path has to be embodied in dance and its ability to navigate inner states , sensations, creativity, and processes.

I think my Saturn Return is connected to this injury. The first house is the physical body and Saturn is the skeleton, being Capricorn the knees. I still have to see how things will evolve but I am curious to know what do you guys see. It it's possible, also to know when this surgery is going to be done. It's being a time of work work work and materialisation but not very focused on relationships or pleasure, which was greatly covered by my dance practice, with other people and friends.

I checked my next solar Return and I have an Aries ascendant, the Sun in the 1st, moon in the 11th but also many planets in the 12th. I was guessing this was due to likely visits to the hospital for rehab after the operation but my birthday is on May, so I wouldn't like to think that I am still going to be working on this injury thing for much longer after May. It wouldn't be a problem if I have to go to rehab but I can dance.

Hope I could explain myself
Thanks!
 
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gemitau

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Transits chart here
 

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Zora

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I am currently going through my first Saturn Return. !


Hi gemitau,

your saturn return is still some time to go and will only happen next year.

Transit saturn will first time activate your natal saturn on 03/8/2023 - lasting degree exact one day - afterwards gone and done without return to exact degree of your natal saturn. Staying then in pisces.

You can easily follow up yourself by using ephemeris- showing all transit planets degree exact on each day in a year.

https://www.astro.com/swisseph/ae/2000/ae_2023.pdf
 

gemitau

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Hi gemitau,

your saturn return is still some time to go and will only happen next year.

Transit saturn will first time activate your natal saturn on 03/8/2023 - lasting degree exact one day - afterwards gone and done without return to exact degree of your natal saturn. Staying then in pisces.

You can easily follow up yourself by using ephemeris- showing all transit planets degree exact on each day in a year.

https://www.astro.com/swisseph/ae/2000/ae_2023.pdf

Hey thanks,
I read sometime that when transiting Saturn enters the sign of your natal Saturn, the Saturn Return motives begin. But maybe I'm feeling Saturn about to conjunct my AC and in the sign of my rising.

Anyway I'm very confused when checking for transits as to know the timing of events. How should I look at my transits to know about this knee issue? Could the exact Saturn-AC conjunction (around March 9th) coincide with the operation?

Thanks!
 

JUPITERASC

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And so I have shown only the Saturn part of it.....

You really need to look at the whole chart....


Hey thanks,
I read sometime that when transiting Saturn enters the sign of your natal Saturn, the Saturn Return motives begin. But maybe I'm feeling Saturn about to conjunct my AC and in the sign of my rising.
Anyway I'm very confused when checking for transits as to know the timing of events. How should I look at my transits to know about this knee issue? Could the exact Saturn-AC conjunction (around March 9th)

coincide with the operation?

Thanks!

MARS controls slashing and bloodshed


therefore check status of natal MARS :smile:
as well as transiting MARS




Bibliography:
Robbins, F. E. (1940). Ptolemy: Tetrabiblos. William Heinmann, London. Retrieved from

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Ptolemy/Tetrabiblos/home.html



Valens, V. Anthologia. Translated by Mark Riley. Retrieved from
https://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/Vettius%20Valens%20entire.pdf




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gemitau

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Please note that this isn’t until March 7, 2023. But generally we see this building from about 1 degree out to 1/2 degree passing.

However, the exact moment of the date and time, will show what is happening. Its not a particularly powerful Saturn nor is it either highly frictional(lots of struggles using the Saturn energies) or low friction(easy to ues Saturn energies).

The only difficult aspect is the wide conjunction with Mercury:
You will have trouble during this return in seeing the big picture, and will tend to get easily overwhelmed by small details which are really not that significant. You struggle with seeing only thge negative characteristics of others and being overly critical of others, but not with yourself.

You may have to let go of people and circumstances that you keep holding on to un-necessarily.

Communication with others tends to be difficult. This is caused by your negative thinking.

While this is the issues of the return exactly. You have to understand what the Return really means in that BIG PICTURE you cannot see. The Saturn Return is a check on your focus toward your Mission in Life. This means that the effort you have to deal with in it are really the issues you have to learn before your next return. If you do not lean them, then your next return will really be a bear.

And so I have shown only the Saturn part of it, but in its wider sense, it represents the stuff you need to do for the next 26 or so years as you grow into adulthood, then middle age and the approach retirement. You really need to look at the whole chart as a way of looking at ways to address your mission in life. And so such things as the very very high friction and high power is the Sun Opp Moon, may not be significant for the Saturn part of it, but for the Mission part of it, it is very very significant. We could explore this if you were so inclined.


thank you very much!
certainly yes, not being able to see the bigger picture is one of the greatest issues I think I have; with a negative thinking tendency in certain areas, mainly the emotional and relational. Because of these things, and others, I am somehow unable to unlock myself emotionally.


The Sun opp Moon you mean in the Saturn Return chart? I'd like to know more about this, yes.
Thanks!
 

gemitau

Well-known member
MARS controls slashing and bloodshed


therefore check status of natal MARS :smile:
as well as transiting MARS




Bibliography:
Robbins, F. E. (1940). Ptolemy: Tetrabiblos. William Heinmann, London. Retrieved from

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Ptolemy/Tetrabiblos/home.html



Valens, V. Anthologia. Translated by Mark Riley. Retrieved from
https://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/Vettius%20Valens%20entire.pdf




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Thank you, I hadn't checked Mars movements before to know about this operation thing. It is currently transiting my 12th, it will only enter my first by the end of March. Before that, I have a Sun-Mars trine on the 6th, a Mars-Jupiter trine on the 12th, and Mars-Mercury trine on the 14th. Then a Mars-Mars opposition on the 21st. Does any of these transits sound like surgery?
I don't know if Mars entering the 1st house could indicate it or somehow "reactivating" the martial function.
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
Hello!

I am currently going through my first Saturn Return. My chart has a preponderant Saturn, domiciled in Aquarius and the first house, aspecting a bunch of personal planets.

I feel Saturn's transit through my 12th house has been a before and after. Important mental health issues emerged and I have been working very hard to gain clarity within, build healthy boundaries, understand myself, and struggling to learn to let go of my resistance to "what it is". Probably 12th houses topics. I really feel I am deeply understanding the Saturn within me and I'm pretty structured now, although mental health issues are still there, my window of tolerance has greatly improved and I'm able to materialise and function well in our practical reality. In the relationships sphere I have also improved a lot but also struggle (although less) to share intimacy easily. I learnt about limits and structure the hard way.

Now transiting Saturn is about to conjunct my ascendant and enter the 1st house. It will retrograde and leave and enter again for good in autumn.

Almost two months ago I had a knee injury and I'm still waiting for surgery. I walk with a crutch and it has really impacted my life. I am a dancer and I can't practice now, either spend a lot of time walking. The waiting is being kinda heavy as I had to fight a lot to get in the queue for the operation, the public health here is not working really well. I still have to cope with a lot of uncertainty as I don't know when the operation will be and when will I be able to return to the dancefloor.



Thank you, I hadn't checked Mars movements before to know about this operation thing. It is currently transiting my 12th, it will only enter my first by the end of March. Before that, I have a Sun-Mars trine on the 6th, a Mars-Jupiter trine on the 12th, and Mars-Mercury trine on the 14th. Then a Mars-Mars opposition on the 21st. Does any of these transits sound like surgery?

I don't know if Mars entering the 1st house could indicate it

or somehow "reactivating" the martial function.



Also I had to stop several projects because of this, the good thing is that I am working on other fields now but I know my path has to be embodied in dance and its ability to navigate inner states , sensations, creativity, and processes.

I think my Saturn Return is connected to this injury. The first house is the physical body and Saturn is the skeleton, being Capricorn the knees. I still have to see how things will evolve but I am curious to know what do you guys see. It it's possible, also to know when this surgery is going to be done. It's being a time of work work work and materialisation but not very focused on relationships or pleasure, which was greatly covered by my dance practice, with other people and friends.

I checked my next solar Return and I have an Aries ascendant, the Sun in the 1st, moon in the 11th but also many planets in the 12th. I was guessing this was due to likely visits to the hospital for rehab after the operation but my birthday is on May, so I wouldn't like to think that I am still going to be working on this injury thing for much longer after May. It wouldn't be a problem if I have to go to rehab but I can dance.

Hope I could explain myself
Thanks!
clearly you are experiencing much uncertainty
by being in a queue for an operation
and
having to to cope with an injury that is devastating for a dancer

a transits to natal chart for the event two months ago
may provide potential answers

also worth studying your 6th House :smile:
to ascertain whether treatments such as acupuncture
may provide relief
and potentially assist with some recovery of mobility
in the meantime

because the operation could be awhile away
given public health for your area is problematic
which is possibly pandemic-linked
since the pandemic has caused overcrowding
and waiting lists because operations have been cancelled
The pandemic is a Mundane Astrology issue which affects the issue
because Mundane Astrological charts supercede natal charts


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gemitau

Well-known member
clearly you are experiencing much uncertainty
by being in a queue for an operation
and
having to to cope with an injury that is devastating for a dancer

a transits to natal chart for the event two months ago
may provide potential answers

also worth studying your 6th House :smile:
to ascertain whether treatments such as acupuncture
may provide relief
and potentially assist with some recovery of mobility
in the meantime

because the operation could be awhile away
given public health for your area is problematic
which is possibly pandemic-linked
since the pandemic has caused overcrowding
and waiting lists because operations have been cancelled
The pandemic is a Mundane Astrology issue which affects the issue
because Mundane Astrological charts supercede natal charts


.

Well when I injured myself (12/30/2021) I had an exact natal Mars in Leo opposition with transiting Saturn. And also a very tight Mars-Uranus square that has been there intermittently these last years.

Doctors told me on the 10th of February that the operation would be in 1-2 months. I am hoping they were right but still no news.

Thanks
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
Transits chart here

Well when I injured myself (12/30/2021)

I had an exact natal Mars in Leo

opposition

with transiting Saturn.


And also a very tight Mars-Uranus square that has been there intermittently these last years.
Doctors told me on the 10th of February that the operation would be in 1-2 months. I am hoping they were right but still no news.

Thanks
notice two eclipses close to the time of the event :smile:

one solar
and the other lunar
4 December 2021 TOTAL SOLAR ECLIPSE CHART


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injury occurred just a week prior to
19 November 2021 Partial FULL MOON ECLIPSE


significantly
transiting ECLIPSE MARS conjuncts your natal MC
in opposition to your natal IC



below is a chart of that Partial FULL MOON ECLIPSE


horoscope-chart1__radix_19-11-2021_09-04.png
 

gemitau

Well-known member
notice two eclipses close to the time of the event :smile:

one solar
and the other lunar
4 December 2021 TOTAL SOLAR ECLIPSE CHART


horoscope-chart1__radix_4-12-2021_07-34.png





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injury occurred just a week prior to
19 November 2021 Partial FULL MOON ECLIPSE


significantly
transiting ECLIPSE MARS conjuncts your natal MC
in opposition to your natal IC



below is a chart of that Partial FULL MOON ECLIPSE


horoscope-chart1__radix_19-11-2021_09-04.png


Hey
The injury was on the 30th of December not November
I hadn't checked the eclipses as to get info about the injury. Thank you.

I cannot see how I should use the Mars transits I mentioned before to understand the timings of this process. We'll see
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
Hey
The injury was on the 30th of December not November
I hadn't checked the eclipses as to get info about the injury.

Thank you.

nevertheless both eclipses ARE close to the event
and that's worth researching :smile:

I cannot see how I should use the Mars transits

I mentioned before to understand the timings of this process.
We'll see
with reference to transits

traditionally PROFECTIONS are used for timing
the following links are helpful for any readers interested in timing






Annual Profections: Finding the Ruler of the Year :smile:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETAkGgqoEsI



also

Zodiacal Releasing

A detailed introduction to
an ancient timing technique called zodiacal releasing
which divides a person's life into chapters
and helps to establish your overall life story :smile:

Zodiacal releasing is a Hellenistic time-lord technique
that was recently recovered from
the work of the 2nd century astrologer Vettius Valens.
This is episode 192 of The Astrology Podcast
with Chris Brennan and Leisa Schaim.

Zodiacal Releasing: An Ancient Timing Technique
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBSLHj8ddBc&t=751s[/QUOTE]


One of the most widespread time-lord techniques in Hellenistic astrology is referred today as annual profections. The Hellenistic astrologers did not have a specific name like most of their techniques, although some refer to a method for “determining the lord of the year”. There are many variations of the so-called annual profections that do not focus on a single houseruler, and for the most part there is lack of agreement on how to calculate monthly, daily and hourly types of profection.

Annual Profections
The earliest surviving reference to profections is found in the third book of Astronomica by the Roman poet Manilius. According to Manilius, the first year belongs to the sign of the Sun, while the next and subsequent years belong to the signs that follow in zodiacal order. The rationale given by Manilius for using the Sun is that it takes one year for the Sun to complete one course. This method to annual profections seems to be unique to Manilius.

The Anthology by Vettius Valens contains an abundance of different time-lord procedures. One chapter, attributed to a “Hermetic” source (Valens, 4.27) also suggests counting from the Sun, although only when it is found at an angle. This chapter describes a predomination method that considers four possible releasing places. If the Sun does not happen to be angular, one begins from the Moon if it is at the “degree of an angle”. If both are inapplicable, one begins from the Lot of Fortune if it happens to be angular. If all three points are inapplicable as specified, one counts from the Ascendant. If both luminaries are “approaching the angles“, one should start counting from the luminary that is of the sect in favour. The remaining of the chapter describes more predomination rules, although the passage is short and fragmentary.

Manilius states that some approved of an alternative approach where they counted years, months, days and hours from the Ascendant. This is the most common method of annual profections in the Hellenistic tradition and remained such in the Arabic tradition. It is mentioned by Dorotheus of Sidon, Firmicus Maternus, Paulus Alexandrinus and Hephaistio of Thebes. David Pingree translates the Arabic passage of the fourth book by Dorotheus as follows:

When a native is born, the lord of the year is the lord of the house [ascendent] in which the native was born. Thus count from the ascendent a year for each sign until you reach the year which you desire; the lord of that house is the lord of the year. Look at the lord of this sign, whether it is a benefic or a malefic, and in the base nativity how its position was and in which foundation it was. From the base-nativity is known what is concerning him [the native] at the beginning of the year, and the beginning of the year is always when the Sun enters the beginning of the minute in which it was on the day of the native's nativity. (Pingree, Dorotheus, 4)

Although Firmicus Maternus (Mathesis, 2.27) states that one should count from the rising sign, he mentions that some astrologers count from the Sun for day births, and from the Moon for night births. This presents additional evidence for counting from other places besides the rising sign based on considerations of predomination. Claudius Ptolemy in book 4, chapter 10 of the Tetrabiblos also describes annual profections from each of the releasing places he outlines previously in the same chapter. Rhetorius of Egypt in chapter 54 of the Compendium also mentions releasing not only from the Ascendant, but also from the Sun, the Moon, and the Lot of Fortune. A brief passage in CCAG 2.212.30-213.1 mentions Rhetorius in relation to counting from the parents’ lots for that topic.

Most astrologers focus on the planetary condition of the domicile ruler of the sign the year has come to. Some astrologers such as Dorotheus and Rhetorius also mention examining the sign and its configurations, and transits in relation to the quality of the year. In Books 4, 5 and 6 of the Anthology, Valens introduces a more complex method of profections, which evidently is partially derived from a lost work of an earlier author known as Critodemus.

The summary of Cridodemus (CCAG 8.3.102) mentions briefly that he dealt with the giving over (paradosis) of one planet to another, which sounds similar to the delineations given in Anthology 4.17-24. This does not represent conclusive evidence that Vettius Valens took his delineations for annual profections from Critodemus since the consideration of which planet is imparting to another is also used in the exaltation method of Balbilus, decennials (referred to as the method of dodekatemoria by Valens) and ingresses. Thus the chapters on the effects of the transmissions of the Ascendant, the planets, and the four lots in Valens could be unique to him.

According to Valens, one can profect from every planet, place and lot, and not just from the Ascendant, although he does emphasize the luminary of the sect in favour, the Ascendant and the other luminary. What seems to be different from other authors, is that the planets that occupy the sign take over the role of the houseruler. The releaser handles over the year to the houseruler only if the sign is empty.

In Book V, Valens introduces an elaboration of the previous rationale. The giving over of one point to another is also active in the years of the native that are multiple of the distance of signs, both taken as ordinal numbers. For example an Ascendant in Virgo would profect to Mars in Libra every second year from birth, and to Jupiter in Sagittarius every fourth year from birth. Both Valens and the Liber Hermetis credit Critodemus for a table of numerical profections of the Moon in relation to health crises. Critodemus emphasizes profections to planets in years which are multiple of 3 for Saturn, 9 for Jupiter, 7 for Mars, 18 for the Sun, 5 for Venus, 8 for Mercury and 13 for the Moon. The rationale behind those numbers is unknown. Valens says that if the year is not composite, one should extend the preceding interval as active for that given year.

Another method attributed to Hermes (Valens, 4.29) says that one should count from the Sun for mental matters, from the Moon for physical matters and the mother, and from the Lot of Fortune. These texts indicate that approaches to annual profections in the Hellenistic tradition were quite varied and often few starting points were used depending on the topic. Hermes states that one should use the Sothic year, which was equivalent to the year mentioned in Dorotheus.

Monthly Profections
There is even greater difference of opinion when it comes to monthly profections, perhaps partially because of disagreement on what period of time constitutes one month. Manilius states that one should begin counting from the Moon, and the rationale given is that it takes one month for the Moon to complete its course. Strangely, given his rationale for annual profections, Manilius later implies that there are 12 months in a year. Perhaps “course” is meant in the sense of an approximate or idealized synodic month rather than as the length of a sidereal month.

Most manuscripts of the Tetrabiblos present 28 day monthly profections, albeit from the sign the year has come to. This makes the domicile ruler of the sign assigned the year - time-lord over the first and the thirteenth month of that year. 28 days approximates the lunar month, and 13 months make 364 days which is approximately the length of the year. In the Arabic tradition, Al-Biruni describes monthly profections as consisting of 28 days 1 hour and 51 minutes to make it align with the 365 day year. Only two conflicting MSS. of the Tetrabiblos describe profections using 30 day months (Robbins, 1940).

Paulus and Hephaistio also describe profecting every month from the sign assigned the year, although they do not specify the length of the month. Since Hephaistio specifies that the daily profections are counted every two and one half days, it seems reasonable to make the assumption that he meant a year consisting of 12 months, each comprising approximately 30 days. This variation became the most prevalent one in the Arabic, Medieval and Renaissance traditions.

This approach of counting signs from the profected signs seems relatively absent in the rest of the Hellenistic tradition and its later popularity may have been partially influenced by Ptolemy. Most of the earlier authors present lot-like calculations for finding the sign of the month. One variant (Valens, 4.29) has a brief passage attributed to Hermes which says to take the distance from the transiting Sun to the Moon at the nativity, and then count the same distance from the sign assigned the year (profected Ascendant).

Similar calculation is later attributed to Nechepso by Valens (Anthology, 5.4), although it counts from the Ascendant of the nativity instead of the profected Ascendant. Levente László in private communication affirmed that the translation by Robert Schmidt and Mark Riley on the second part of the passage are mistaken. Schmidt and Riley both mistook the calculation being given for the operative “days” (τὰς δὲ ἡμέρας) for implying reversal of the monthly calculation for “day” births. This translation is also inconsistent conceptually, since it would imply that the diurnal calculation is thirteen times faster than the nocturnal calculation.

Firmicus Maternus (Mathesis, 2.28) does not even mention monthly profections. Instead, he describes an alternative technique using a division of the year. Beginning with the lord of the year, one assigns the days of the year among the planets following in zodiacal order, each star given a specific amount of days in proportion to its minor recurrence years. In other words, the year is divided by the sum of the minor years and multiplied by the minor years of each star. Annual divisions are also described by Valens (Valens, 4.30) and Hephaistio (Apotelesmatics, 2.36) with slight variations of the exact length of time because only Valens calculates the hours.

Hephaistio mentions an alternative division in which each sign is assigned the minor years of the domicile ruler, beginning from the sign that is given the year, although Saturn is assigned only 30 days, with the reasoning given by Hephaistio is that the two domiciles of Saturn are adjacent. After 184 days, the same division is repeated until the year is completed. Valens mentions that some astrologers made “monthly” forecasts according to the houserulers of New and Full Moon, although his opinion is that the transiting Sun foretells the outcome of the month due to arousing the power of signs and time-lords (Anthology, 5.4).

Daily and Hourly Profections
Few astrologers describe daily profections and even fewer mention hourly profections. Manilius says one should count daily and hourly profections from the Ascendant with each sign being given a day twice a month (2 1/2 days?) and one hour once a day. Goold (1977) suggests that double-hours are meant, rather than planetary hours.

Ptolemy uses 12 daily profections in a month with most MSS. giving the length of 2 1/3 days, while only those that give the 30 day monthly profections report a length of 2 1/2 days. Paulus also says that one should count daily profections from the sign assigned the month, albeit every sign given one day rather than 1/12 of a month. Hephaistio gives the length of 2 1/2 days.

Valens describes a method of multiplying the years of the nativity by 5 1/4, adding the days from birth, and dividing the result by twelve, giving one to each sign. He says that some astrologers count from the sign just following the Moon. This handy calculation yields one sign per day. Dorotheus gives a lot-like formula, saying one should measure the distance from the transiting Sun to the transiting Moon, and the same distance from the Ascendant at the nativity.

Different calculation is attributed to Nechepso by Valens (Anthology, 5.4). The operative day is determined by counting from the transiting Moon to the Sun at the nativity, and then the same distance from the Ascendant. The length of these two profections vary according to the speed of the Moon. Perhaps the appeal of these lots is that they dispense with the ambiguity of calendars and are instead based on concurrent astronomical positions and planetary revolutions.

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