Finding a fulfilling career

[eviltwin]

Hi everyone,

I've been passively studying astrology over the last few years, and invariably found myself reading threads from this forum that would come up in google search results, but this is the first time I'm actually posting.

So my question is, what career/vocation do you think my chart best indicates that I will feel fulfilled with? I just completed my undergrad in engineering a couple years ago, but am not too keen to continue down that path...

Also, what does my North Node in Taurus-5th House suggest, regarding a fulfilling vocation?

I'd love to hear what you guys think! A couple other things to notice about my chart, that might make it quicker to read: Saturn is stationary and conjunct the Asdt., and I have a kite trine involving Jupiter, Moon, Pluto, and Neptune.

 

[astrologer50]

Hi everyone,

I've been passively studying astrology over the last few years, and invariably found myself reading threads from this forum that would come up in google search results, but this is the first time I'm actually posting.

So my question is, what career/vocation do you think my chart best indicates that I will feel fulfilled with? I just completed my undergrad in engineering a couple years ago, but am not too keen to continue down that path...

Also, what does my North Node in Taurus-5th House suggest, regarding a fulfilling vocation?

I'd love to hear what you guys think! A couple other things to notice about my chart, that might make it quicker to read: Saturn is stationary and conjunct the Asdt., and I have a kite trine involving Jupiter, Moon, Pluto, and Neptune.

Welcome to forum,

I hope you take a minute to introduce yourself properly in the correct forum?

This is a major problem cos not everyone gets to do their dream job or 'vocation' cos mundane things come in like paying bills and putting food on the table. In fact most of us have to do jobs just to keep afloat these days.

It would also be helpful if you could advise whether you are male or female and what you are currently doing now?? do you have any options or decisions to make?

North Node is not really about career as such, it's about your Soul's Life Lessons and what you have come here to learn and do. Cafeastrology has great section on Nodes --

Having Saturn conj Asc (retrograde) will knock your confidence in presenting yourself to others and could make you quite shy. You only have two planets above the horizon suggesting a reflective, subjective person who thinks about self first and foremost....

You also have mercury retrograde to, and you can easily check with an ephemeris to see when it went direct.
Retrograde planets
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22923
http://astrology.findyourfate.com/astrology-retrograde.htm
http://www.north-node.com/astrology-tutorials/retrogrades
http://www.north-node.com/astrology-tutorials/retrogrades
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/retrogradeplanets.htm
http://www.cafeastrology.com/retrogrades.html
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5796&postcount=8
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5861&postcount=10
Pluto retrograde in scorpio above

Saturn retro suggests father was 'lacking' missing or quite possibly ineffectual at structure and setting boundaries in your childhood.
Mercury retrograde may help counteract the two difficult square to Mars and Uranus, which suggests argumentativeness

T Pluto is currently conj natal Neptune which is a generational thing, whereby you delve into things like religion, spiritual matters etc.

Your chart completely lacks the element of air and your Neptune is a singleton ie: only planet in earth - again which your chart lacks.
Singleton planets
“If a planet happens to be the only one in an element, quality, or house type, that planet is a Singleton and it can funnel all of the “energy” of the horoscope. This planet is often the most important one in the horoscope. In other words, if you just interpret the position of this one planet by sign, house, and aspect, you will get to the “heart of the horoscope”. The effect is the same as if that planet were the only one on one side of the chart.”
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/13.0Singletons.htm
http://www.astrologyclub.org
http://en.mimi.hu/astrology/singleton.html
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-2334.html
(There is a book out by Shirley Lyons Meier, "Elemental Voids, More than Meets the Eye", which gives a good discussion of missing elements.) The Inferior Function can be a source of great motivation and creative expression.
http://www.astrologyclub.org/articles/singletons/intro/singleton_intro.htm

Lack of elements http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18077
http://www.astrology-numerology.com/elements.html
http://www.astrology.aryabhatt.com/Astrology_Elements.asp
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/EmptyElement12.1.htm
http://www.astrologyclub.org/article.../inferior2.htm

Money & you
http://www.astrotheme.com/files/money_and_you.php
career significators
http://www.librarising.com/astrology/misc/significators.html
Professional & Destiny
http://www.astrotheme.com/files/astrology_professional_destiny.php
http://www.librarising.com/astrology/misc/significators.html

Career options are assessed by MC any planets conjunct, where the ruler of MC is placed, it’s aspects, then 2nd house ‘how you earn your money’ and planets there, ruler of cusp and where it’s placed, then 6th house of ‘type of work you do’ any planets there and how they are aspected.

Researching rulers of houses will help you understand more where I joining the dots so to speak
http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/rulersofhousesinhouses.html
http://www.trans4mind.com/personal_development/astrology/LearningAstrology/housesDerived.htm
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/houserulerships.htm

 

[ume]

Interesting chart!

I am not sure i can say anything new to you.

Virgo Midheaven indicates that you have indication that you are creative and don't mind a work where details are important. Put thing into order, and analyse them. This kind of job.

Sagittarius asc can indicate that you are philosophical, like freedom and travel, and also open to new ideas. Want to be excited, wants to experience. This can work well with the Virgo MH if the circumstances are lucky.

Is it possible that you found engineering a bit boring? If yes this could be the reason.

Your 1st house is very important, also many planets are there, Saturn Rx, Uranus and Neptune with Mars. It is not easy.
A responsible personality is important for you, and you are original, competitive, and also soemtimes confused: who am i? who is the real me?

What you should pay attention is:

You have planets mostly in Mutable elements. So when you choose a job, you have a feel and need to exchange ideas and discuss them. I also think that you are competitive but not a leader type of person. If you still want to be your own boss, maybe try to find a job where you have workpartners but you are independent in your own area of work.

You have no Air element. It can come out as opposite from what we expect, and can indicate a very "intellectual" and thinking personaliy.

Neptune is a singleton, your only Earth planet. Has great importance, and also part of your Kite figuration! I would recommend to you to read this link: http://www.astrologyclub.org/articles/singletons/neptune/neptune.htm (You can also find this in astrologer50's post.)

 

[eviltwin]

@ Astrologer50,

Thanks for the welcome! I'll make sure to introduce myself in the 'introductions forum.'

That's a wealth of information and links you've provided there, so I look forward to some good reading, thank you!

Like you said, things are quite tough with jobs right now. At the moment I am continuing down the same line as my degree, doing engineering work, but really don't feel quite 'at home' in it. What you said about singleton planets seems quite true, as I think I do a bit of idealizing when it comes to work, given by the singleton neptune in capricorn second house.

To answer your other two questions, I am a guy, and at the moment I don't have a pressing decisions to take. I guess I'm basically trying to figure out other career options, and at the least work towards positioning myself for a transition eventually.

In terms of options, curiously, one of the first questions I was asked by a Vedic Astrologer who looked at my Vedic Astrology chart was if I was in the 'film industry.' That and the Liz Greene vocational horoscope seemed to also suggest 'film and theatre.' But like you said with Saturn in my Asc, I could really do well to improve my confidence, and as interesting as it sounds, I can't imagine standing in front of a camera just yet; maybe behind it! The other option, which is closer to my engineering background, is architecture, which seems like a more viable option, but I'm not quite fully sold on it. Other than that, I have an interest in psychology, mythology, astrology, etc, but I can't imagine making a career of these directly.

Thanks again for responding in such detail! I hope my reply gives a better background to the question?

@ Ume,

Thanks for the reply! You're spot on in what you're saying; I'm finding engineering to be quite boring, and restrictive. True, there can be a creative dimension to engineering, but it's almost like there is not enough latitude in it, so to speak.

Also, while in college, I developed a fascination for philosophy and my friends and I would spend much time discussing various topics. I guess that probably comes from the "no air" as well as "sagittarius asc." I've also been told that I intellectualize life too much!

I read the link you attached about neptune singleton, and I can certainly relate to it, although maybe not to the heights of being psychic; but I certainly have started to notice and become more conscious about being so 'boundaryless.'

It looks like from what both of you are saying, I need to take a much closer look at neptune, and how it's energy is working in my chart!

Thanks so much for the responses! Any additional thoughts are always appreciated!

 

[eviltwin]

Hmm... after responding to Waterlily's thread on running a business, I suddenly got a surge of interest in the idea myself.

I know there are a lot of other practical considerations for getting into business, but since both my parents own and run businesses individually, I already have two very good mentors for that.

Do you guys think my chart shows potential for running a business? Also, what kind of a business might that be, if I were to go that route?

 

[astrologer50]

Hmm... after responding to Waterlily's thread on running a business, I suddenly got a surge of interest in the idea myself.

I know there are a lot of other practical considerations for getting into business, but since both my parents own and run businesses individually, I already have two very good mentors for that.

Do you guys think my chart shows potential for running a business? Also, what kind of a business might that be, if I were to go that route?

with sun,mercury in 4th and venus in 5th does show 'potential' for being self employed. But these planets have 90' squares, showing challenges at expressing these energies won't necessarily be easy and will take time on your part. Mercury ruler of MC in 4th is good for working from home. Saturn and venus rule 2nd & 6th house and have a nice trine aspect showing structure and pleasure.

You have a lot of water in your chart, which usually suggests the 'caring professions' and the fire side of you wants action, action and action. Your jupiter square saturn creates an internal see-saw, shall I shan't I attitude.

"You suffer because you remember your failures more than your successes and consequently have a hard time developing a picture of yourself as a winner. In this sense you were born old. However, this same quality engenders a childish quality in you that tends to look for the "quick fix". Hard work and consistency of effort brings success for you just like it does for everyone else. Yes, you need some luck or some breaks, but these come from perspective, vision or aim in life. Work to see yourself as deserving good things in life, then be willing to put forth honest effort"
http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/jupitersaturnaspects.html

there has been an interesting thread recently about your moon square venus aspect--
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24933&highlight=venus+square+moon

 

[eviltwin]

Thanks Astrologer50,

I have a couple questions based on what you said:

1) Are all business owners considered people who "work from home" when reading an astrological chart, even if they have set up an office where they do business from? (i.e., the business has grown to medium size)
2) Strong water and strong fire seem to be in contradiction... if water suggests 'caring profession' and fire wants a lot of 'action.' Is there some way to be able to include both of these energies? Does water have other significations, that could blend harmoniously with fire? Would acting or film directing fit this bill?

Thanks for taking the time to respond; I really appreciate the help!

 

[eviltwin]

I'm just re-uploading my chart in the preferred forum format, with progressions and transits added, 80% orbs, at 63% size. Hope it's easier to look at now!

 

[flea]

ET,

equal houses are not the prefered format for this forum...it is just a preference from various members....and is useful as this is the system they use for interpretation.

Teaching.....sat/sag may be something to think about. I did a lot of useful work on my vocation by remembering all the things I loved to do naturally as a kid and then applying that information to my chart. My gemini asc....shows my interest in teaching as does Aq MC....I love talking about ideas and thoughts etc. Venus on my MC (placidus) and pluto/uranus in 5th indicate my obsessions with art and painting in non traditional ways.


FleaXX

 

[astrologer50]

Thanks Astrologer50,

I have a couple questions based on what you said:

1) Are all business owners considered people who "work from home" when reading an astrological chart, even if they have set up an office where they do business from? (i.e., the business has grown to medium size)
2) Strong water and strong fire seem to be in contradiction... if water suggests 'caring profession' and fire wants a lot of 'action.' Is there some way to be able to include both of these energies? Does water have other significations, that could blend harmoniously with fire? Would acting or film directing fit this bill?

Thanks for taking the time to respond; I really appreciate the help!

I notice T Uranus is still coming off your natal sun making you want more independence, freedom and to do something unsual that involves the pride and ego (sun)..

The imagination is a prime function. Imagination can be used positively in creative and artistic activities and works, and in envisioning the life we want. Negatively, the imagination can deceive us and lead us down dark alleys of fearand phobia. We can become hypochondriacs with fantasy illnesses and paranoid with phantom enemies

.

Too much Neptunian indulgence can result in addictions to drugs and alcohol, and even to insanity, to schizophrenia. As Liz Greene writes in her book The Astrological Neptune and the Quest for Redemption
The reverse side of Neptune’s coin of artistic creativity is escapism and the desire to avoid responsibilities, earthly duties and obligations. Reality feels just too harsh!

Neptune’s virtues are sensitivity, emotional openness and vulnerability, empathy and understanding compassion. The performing arts – music, dance and drama – depend on the use of illusion to create works that move us as a collective at the depths of emotion and feeling. And mystical inspiration can lift us to heights of ecstatic illumination. Neptune’s vices, however, are delusion, deception, deceit, and fraud. And, while Jupiter is the planet of “great expectations,” Neptune is the symbol of impossible expectations. When we are overly idealistic, we set ourselves up for disappointment and disillusionment.

http://www.astrologyclub.org/articles/singletons/neptune/neptune.htm

I also notice T Pluto is conj your neptune now which whilst generational, suggests your deep enquiries into metaphysical, spiritual, religious matters and poss why you suggested acting. It seems a big leap from engineering to acting? Your prog mars is 1' coming off Neptune so practical energy (cappi) has been put into neptunian dreams, fantasies etc.
T Saturn is currently opposing sun for last time, so this will prob feel like delays and limitations and frustrations?

There has been few threads on here recently about acting and you like this other member only have two planets above the horizon
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=217058&postcount=21

Like flea mentioned with Saggi Asc could suggest teaching and Virgo MC something paying attention to details and research and being of service to people..

 

[astrologer50]

ET,

equal houses are not the prefered format for this forum...it is just a preference from various members....and is useful as this is the system they use for interpretation. [You are correct of course --No it's mine as most people here know & I make no apology for it either]

Teaching.....sat/sag may be something to think about. I did a lot of useful work on my vocation by remembering all the things I loved to do naturally as a kid and then applying that information to my chart. My gemini asc....shows my interest in teaching as does Aq MC....I love talking about ideas and thoughts etc. Venus on my MC (placidus) and pluto/uranus in 5th indicate my obsessions with art and painting in non traditional ways.


FleaXX

Your Venus would be conj MC in ANY house system flea
Equal house system does not devalue MC --

 

[eviltwin]

@ flea: That's not an equal house chart that I printed off! I was just born much closer to the equator

Point noted on Sagg/Sat teaching, though. It was something I was considering for a while earlier, but more in the context of going for a phd in psychology (depth, or transpersonal, etc). But I decided that it definitely would not meet my financial goals and the kind of lifestyle I desire. I think I've also had this gradual feeling grow on me in the last year where I value "intellection" less, and "application" more.

I think the teaching theme can definitely be worked into films though, especially if I diversify and reach into film directing, as that would give a great avenue to show "life's dramas on a rich and often contradictory tapestry that is life." It's not so much teaching in the instructional sense, but rather a "showing" (which anyway what art is meant to be).

@ Astrologer50:

It def feels like delays and limitations, as I feel like I've been frozen, and almost 'walking backwards' for the last couple years... With regards to the transits, then, would you say that I should go slow on such a decision, as the transits are giving me a bias to want to find more freedom (uranus transit sun), and break free from what I feel has been holding me back (saturn opp sun), with mars activating the neptunian energy?

 

[astrologer50]

With regards to the transits, then, would you say that I should go slow on such a decision, as the transits are giving me a bias to want to find more freedom (uranus transit sun), and break free from what I feel has been holding me back (saturn opp sun), with mars activating the neptunian energy?

Its progressed mars and it's dissipating. Natal Neptune is 5'42" and prog mars 7'38" so it's almost 2' off now. this could also have affected your energy levels quite badly to? below is T nep conj mars, but below -- gives you a flavour what's going on here --can you identify with this?

"This is likely to be a discouraging time for you. You are likely to feel lethargic and lacking in drive and initiative. Others are likely to misunderstand your actions or intentions, which could be a source of embarassment or lead to them opposing your efforts without your understanding the cause. Physically you are more prone to infections and disease than usual. You may be"
http://www.astrology-x-files.com/transits/neptune-cj-mars.html

first week in July T Saturn is exact but by end of July when it's changed into Libra should have lifted the delays and restrictions
http://www.khaldea.com/kldaephem/2000/jul2010gmt.shtml


This may awaken you to your true purpose in life. It is a time when you will be inclined to be yourself regardless of the consequences or expectations of others. As a result, you may leave a job or a marriage because the roles they force you to play will conflict with what you really are or what you have changed into. You may find it difficult to get cooperation from others until you have made sufficient changes in your relationships.
http://www.astrology-x-files.com/transits/uranus-cj-sun.html

 

[eviltwin]

Its progressed mars and it's dissipating. Natal Neptune is 5'42" and prog mars 7'38" so it's almost 2' off now. this could also have affected your energy levels quite badly to? below is T nep conj mars, but below -- gives you a flavour what's going on here --can you identify with this?

"This is likely to be a discouraging time for you. You are likely to feel lethargic and lacking in drive and initiative. Others are likely to misunderstand your actions or intentions, which could be a source of embarassment or lead to them opposing your efforts without your understanding the cause. Physically you are more prone to infections and disease than usual. You may be"
http://www.astrology-x-files.com/transits/neptune-cj-mars.html

This seems accurate, though I generally also have a tendency towards lacking in initiative.... I think that comes from my Saturn conjunct Ascendant, and it's something I need to work on proactively. I also have that mentioned tendency to scatter my energies, and not focus them strongly enough. It could be, however, that this is more pronounced in my life right now, because of this transit, but I am not the most objective person to comment on this at the moment...

This may awaken you to your true purpose in life. It is a time when you will be inclined to be yourself regardless of the consequences or expectations of others. As a result, you may leave a job or a marriage because the roles they force you to play will conflict with what you really are or what you have changed into. You may find it difficult to get cooperation from others until you have made sufficient changes in your relationships.
http://www.astrology-x-files.com/transits/uranus-cj-sun.html

OK, wow, this feels like its bang on. Incidentally, I'm also going through a rough patch with my girlfriend; it's a complicated situation, and I don't want to bore you all with the details, but in essence, it definitely sounds like what is being described here. As in, this describes it to the 'T.' I feel like I am slowly coming into myself more, and she has mentioned to me that she suddenly feels like she "doesn't know me anymore." Maybe it's because I have started to become more clear about who I am and slowly started have taking ownership of my perspective in a given situation, and not just collapsing under what someone else thinks. Certainly, this transit seems to reinforce this idea.

I really hope I can 'awaken to my life purpose' as the write up mentions, because I've been feeling a 'sense of lack' in this sphere for almost 3-4 years building up now, and getting stronger and stronger... I think I read somewhere that impending transits have a tendency to play up their theme even while they are approaching; setting the stage for the life area they are about to address, so to speak. I can't remember where I read this now, so I don't know how accurate or reliable that statement is.

But yeah, this 'lack of purpose' has felt like a slowly building existential crisis... It makes sense that 'purpose' is so intricately tied to 'identity,' and 'expressing oneself' as our purpose in life has to be something that is based on the 'essence of who we are.' I don't know if that made sense, but it seems to make sense to me!

 

[flea]

just thinking neptune rules the silver screen...and your MC ruler is merc which is in neptune's sign. neptune in first sextile Jupiter...so there is a link.

psychology study could be useful in the sharing of stories....like fairy stories and their analogy to the process of individuation....but then I heard that a psch degree is pretty much stats and rats as they say....

I like the idea of teaching as the sharing of stories and experiences......and also as a teacher you can learn as much as the student.....I like seeing teacher and student on the same plane....with no heirarchy.....but that is prob just me.

I also tend to think that you do need to make choices and compromise if lifestyle is an important goal for you.

A50.....is all cool.....respect your position!!!

FleaXX

 

[eviltwin]

Thanks flea,,

Yeah I was just putting that together about your first sentence on the post... So basically you were looking for neptune's influence on the Asc ruler, and MC ruler.

The past few days have been quite busy, but I did get to reflect a little bit on "needs vs. wants"... apparently something Taurus North Node people have a very tough time with.

After some reflecting, I have come to the conclusion that I have a couple criteria that are important to me: being my own boss, work that stretches me to grow in some capacity, and good relationships with co-workers. I included this last one because I realized that I probably would not enjoy "working alone" as an independent professional of some kind.

I think everything else I come up with in terms of criteria are more "wants" than "needs."

Probably all that Fire in my chart, as well as all the planets in the Ascendant are driving me to want to be my own boss. Quite a challenge for my Saturn conjunct Asc.!

 

[R4VEN]

This seems accurate, though I generally also have a tendency towards lacking in initiative.... I think that comes from my Saturn conjunct Ascendant, and it's something I need to work on proactively.

Lack of initiative, and perhaps a tendency towards dreaming about rather than doing is down to Neptune opposite Moon. This is a very creative placement - along with your Grand Water Trine (found in the charts of artists, poets and mystics) - but you have to focus this energy and use it consciously, otherwise you can fritter it away in dreams and plans which never actually make it to fruition.

Saturn conj Asc makes you hard on yourself, to be your own most harsh critic. It is also a slave-driver. Again, this is excellent energy to tap into for study or planning, but it can render you paralysed at times, as you may not consider your efforts good enough.

I'm thinking (call that `intuiting') mathematics. You can research mathematics, teach it, whatever, and it is a hugely creative field. But to do that successfully you have to love it. It is also closely related to philosophy, and your Sag Asc may enjoy the philosophical connections it makes.

I'm thinking that when your prgr Asc moves into Capricorn, then you will probably feel more focussed and motivated. Perhaps this is when you will feel clearer about a business idea - if that is what interests you.

EDIT: Having a Taurus NN myself (and so finding the Scorpio SN a trifle `full on') I found this link interesting.

http://northnodeastrology.blogspot.com/search/label/North Node in Taurus

 

[astrologer50]

Just found a rather nice one on TAurus N Node
http://www.angelsintuition.com/page.php?id=46

 

[Catatonia]

Hi there,

How has your career been so far? Have you worked on many jobs? Did you ever had trouble holding onto a job? (don't be embarassed, we don't REALLY know who you are )

Catatonia

 

[astrologer50]

having an 8th house moon is no walk in the park---
The Mysteries of the 8th House: House of Death & Transformation
by Carmen Turner-Schott
http://www.ofspirit.com/carmenturnerschott1.htm

Moon in 8th
"is an indication that in past lives the emotional needs of others were denied as a result of an overly self-centered, materialistic, or cerebral reality. The sign of the Moon will indicate which. People with the Moon in 8th House are commonly born to parents who cannot function at an emotional level. With other planetary factors, this placement of the Moon can indicate the loss of a parent early in life in which the child is burdened by the bereaved parent’s emotional needs. "
[deleted overly long quote against forum rules - Moderator]

http://www.dkfoundation.co.uk/dkfoundation/BookKarmaHouse8.htm

I have moon opp Neptune natally and this can suggest mother was emotionally unavailable in childhood, quite psychic to and prone to emotional disillusionments..