Figuring out intercepted Sagittarius/Gemini

MSO

Well-known member
Hey everyone.

To be honest, I'm entirely lost, but I'm going to give this a shot anyways.

So I'm trying to figure out how exactly I can handle these intercepted signs. I mean, everyone says to use the duplicated signs. But how? How does Leo on the 2nd House cusp affect my Sagittarius absorbed by the 5th House?

My chart:

(In case you're wondering, I had to reduce the orb by 20% because it shows Mars squaring Saturn with a 10 degree aspect, which I don't feel.)
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So Leo on the 2nd House cusp indicates a person who earns money off personal expression. Problematic, because Saturn is hanging out in my 5th House, making sure it squares my Sun in the process. Not to mention my Moon bi-quintile Saturn. Anyways, with the 2nd House Leo's true nature either stifled for now, or permanently, I have to move on to the 8th House in Aquarius. I have no idea at all how I can express "peculiar sexual interests" when my 5th House is so badly affected. Let me tell you, it's not easy to find sexual partners when you have the fun points of an iron-clad battleship. While it would certainly be nice to have sexual partners that were more friends than lovers, friends are the problem!

(For those of you who use the modern planets and Uranus to rule Aquarius, Uranus is conjunct Saturn by less than one degree, and shares all the same aspects.)

So I'm thinking Jupiter and Mercury are the key here. But I'm trying to figure out exactly how to go about this.

From what I understand, any planet in an intercepted House won't be effective at helping the sign it rules. So we'll have to start with Mercury to free up Jupiter, of which I'm not even sure is possible.

Here I have Mercury in the 4th House being afflicted by a sesqui-quadrate to the Moon and a square to the Ascendant (not shown, but it's there at 6 degrees separating). The only "non-negative" aspect is the quintile to Saturn, which is smack dab in the middle of an intercepted sign.

I don't know... if anyone else has these particular signs intercepted, or just knows what they're talking about, input would be amazing!
 
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Anachiel

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From what I understand, any planet in an intercepted House won't be effective at helping the sign it rules.

To answer this question, one needs to understand the astronomy behind an intercepted house. I'll try to describe this simply:

Different house systems exist in order to rectify the way we divide the heavens into the 12 houses. As you move further north or south from the equator, the houses appear to "bunch up" on one side of the chart. They don't fit evenly like they might at the equator.

Now, when this happens, this does not mean the signs are affected. And, we also still have 12 houses in the wheel. However, not every sign will represent a house of its own. Some signs will be included in a house already given a sign of its own.

Planets in these intercepted houses are no more or less affected by being in a regular house; they still have their own house and sign. Your chart suffers or gains no more or less then if you had equal houses. Your chart (and you!) are not "missing" anything

Blessings,

Anachiel
 

dr. farr

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The wonderful system of Cosmobiologie (Ebertin) does not use houses at all in chart delineation; and in Whole Sign, and in Equal House systems, interceptions never occur.
I had used Placidus for several decades-I never felt "right" about interceptions, which seemed theoretical in nature, rather than reflective of the seamless wholeness of the reality of the circle of the sky; after learning of Whole Sign in 1998(from Robert Hand's book of the same name)-which was the original sky/division ("house division") method of both ancient Western and ancient Vedic astrology until about the 7th century-and then testing it out, I quickly became a convert to that format, and have used it exclusively since then, with the best results...
 
Do my questions really stump everyone?
Why not chose an easier path and learn Equal house system?? :biggrin:

Throughout the forums but mainly in natal astrology there are two main branches Placidus (unequal size houses) v Equal House (whereby each house is same size) but lots more……. For more information on these go here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_house_system#Equal_House
http://www.astrolozy.com/article19.asp
http://www.skyviewzone.com/birthinfoforms2/housesexplained.htm
For further research try here...
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3280&highlight=placidus+equal
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=638&highlight=house+system
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=152849#post152849
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=189223#post189223

It's only with study and research will you be able to assess where your planets are deposited and in which houses... thus see which 'glove fits'


http://www.solsticepoint.com/astrologersmemorial/hone.html
http://www.skyviewzone.com/birthinfoforms2/housesexplained.htm
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Z0nnE2IP7A4C&pg=PA167&dq=astrology+equal+house&as_brr=3&ei=i0iJS-PlGo3mygS89Nn8DQ&cd=2#v=onepage&q=astrology%20equal%20house&f=false

EQUAL HOUSES
“Another of the three most popular house systems is Equal houses which is just what its name implies. All the houses have the same degree on each cusp, and there are no interceptions. Equal house systems are especially useful for people born in the northernmost and southernmost latitudes, and this system is the most popular one in use outside of the United States.”
http://www.esotericapublications.com/art-eso-011.htm

Equal house system is the only system that is erected in the plane of the Earths orbit. The zodiac is erected in the plane of the Earths orbit around the Sun which comprises of a 360 degree circle that surrounds the Earth. The mid-heaven is often more, or less than ninety degrees (three signs) from the ascendant, therefore it is not often placed on the tenth house cusp, but marked where it appears in the mid-heaven according to the latitude and longitude of birth. The mid-heaven is taken as an important point; it is the point of self-mastery.
http://marianneohagan.com/house.htm


“The simplest approaches, the equal-house and whole-sign methods, merely require knowledge of the ascendant or ascending sign, and an equal division throughout the rest of the zodiac eliminates the need for any complicated calculations
Yet recent research into classical astrology has created a renewed interest in these simple techniques from a more scholarly perspective. The point of strength is that, regardless of the originating theory behind house division, in practice at least, classical astrologers tended to tie the houses to the signs, apparently concurring with Pelletier, who wrote in defence of the equal house method”
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/houprob4.html
 
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