father and sons with sun in 8th house

[socrates]

hi
father born on 30 sept 1940 and two sons,all 3 have sun in 8th in whole sign house
father lost his dad when he was about 25 or 26 soon after marrying in 1965
sons,however didnt lose his dad.he is still alive and well

how do you explain this with WSH or quadrant?
thanks

by the way the third has Mercury cazimi perfect conjunction with sun,yet he repeated all years at school,eventually gave up and did menial jobs,now he is a security man at a supermarket

 

[mutableflame]

Hm. Not sure if I'm misunderstanding the posed question or not, but the first couple of charts are Sun in the 7th house. The last one does have a 8th Moon, but otherwise not significant 8th influence that I can read.

The 8th doesn't necessarily mean the death of one's parents, because death is only one of many aspects of 8th house lessons. I have 5 planets in the 8th including my Sun. While my grandfather died while I was 5 y/o, otherwise my family is alive and kicking. Friends too!

8th house Sun natives are individuals who tend to look for a depth of meaning within themselves and the things they focus their energies on. They may frequenty feel misunderstood and really take the sting of rejection quite heavily. Death can be a literal or metaphorical
player within the native's life.

 

[socrates]

Hm. Not sure if I'm misunderstanding the posed question or not, but the first couple of charts are Sun in the 7th house. The last one does have a 8th Moon, but otherwise not significant 8th influence that I can read.

The 8th doesn't necessarily mean the death of one's parents, because death is only one of many aspects of 8th house lessons. I have 5 planets in the 8th including my Sun. While my grandfather died while I was 5 y/o, otherwise my family is alive and kicking. Friends too!

8th house Sun natives are individuals who tend to look for a depth of meaning within themselves and the things they focus their energies on. They may frequenty feel misunderstood and really take the sting of rejection quite heavily. Death can be a literal or metaphorical
player within the native's life.

well i was looking how they lookusing whole sign houses.
do you have those planets in 8th when using whole sign house as well(1 entire sign per house)?

 

[mutableflame]

Yes, infact that would include my moon.

 

[socrates]

Yes, infact that would include my moon.

how do you experience them,and in which sign are they?
thanks

 

[dr. farr]

Well, one observation (using whole sign) regarding the OP's question in the first post:

Son #1 has his father's significator (dispositor of the 4th house), Venus, in his 7th house
Son #2 has his father's significator, Jupiter, in his 11th house
But the father of these 2, had HIS father's significator, Mercury in HIS 8th HOUSE.

 

[mutableflame]

How do I experience my 8th house stellium? Thats a loaded question. I hadn't previously considered my Moon to be a part of the 8th house, but the 7th. Since my 7th house is Scorpio, I'd have to think about how that may be applicable given the similarities.

If by whole sign it's my Sun, Moon, Mercury, Saturn and Uranus in Sagittarius. I'm a Taurus rising.

 

[socrates]

Well, one observation (using whole sign) regarding the OP's question in the first post:

Son #1 has his father's significator (dispositor of the 4th house), Venus, in his 7th house
Son #2 has his father's significator, Jupiter, in his 11th house
But the father of these 2, had HIS father's significator, Mercury in HIS 8th HOUSE.

Indeed like Morin said,we cant use only the Sun for father nor Mercury for siblings,otherwise it would apply to anyone born that day and houses would lose their meaning
My sun is in 8th in WSH but in 9th in placidus.It rules the IC or third house(wsh). The IC can be the father even if it falls in third.But in placidus the Sun is in 9th cusp.He died when i was 21 and i inherited some Money from his side

 

[mdinaz]

I think the only thing that runs in families is attitudes and beliefs. With everyone's Sun in the 8th house, there may be a running theme in the family of focusing on deep spiritual or soul concerns (what is life, why are we here, etc). With the same attitudes and beliefs thus follows the same emotional lines of thinking, and thus dis-eases. Examine that and see if you can find some parallels.

In my family, my mom, her mom, her brother, and her two kids (me and my sister) were all born on Thursday. Still trying to figure that one out.

 

[socrates]

I think the only thing that runs in families is attitudes and beliefs. With everyone's Sun in the 8th house, there may be a running theme in the family of focusing on deep spiritual or soul concerns (what is life, why are we here, etc). With the same attitudes and beliefs thus follows the same emotional lines of thinking, and thus dis-eases. Examine that and see if you can find some parallels.

In my family, my mom, her mom, her brother, and her two kids (me and my sister) were all born on Thursday. Still trying to figure that one out.

but those 3 folks are anything but religious,dad worked for Shell,and his interests were simply cars, food, boats he never once mentioned anything related to death or religious issues.Nor his sons.The 7 sep son lives with a woman who doesnt get on with his family(7th ruler square Moon IC

By the way someone who uses WSH said IC is our home,4th place the land where we build our home.
Hence MC is career ,10thplace place where we work

 

[mdinaz]

but those 3 folks are anything but religious,dad worked for Shell,and his interests were simply cars, food, boats he never once mentioned anything related to death or religious issues.Nor his sons.The 7 sep son lives with a woman who doesnt get on with his family(7th ruler square Moon IC

By the way someone who uses WSH said IC is our home,4th place the land where we build our home.
Hence MC is career ,10thplace place where we work

Don't have to be religious to ask those questions - they're probably asked more by people who are not or do not have a religious background to start with.

The MC is where we find success, in whatever form that takes. It isn't just career. It refers to status and what makes us feel complete. Whether that is a career, money, property, titles and prestige, public standing, marriage, a home and kids - whatever makes us feel "successful". For some people it takes a lot less than for others, where everything in the world still isn't enough.

The IC refers to home, security, nurturing and so on. It can be the home you live in now, the home you were raised in, your parents or whomever raised you and was the parental authority, it can be your own kids and how you raise them, and so on. Whatever makes your domicile a "home".

The 2nd house can refer to property by itself, but not necessarily a home. It can also reference finances and money but not necessarily how you got it.

 

[socrates]

Don't have to be religious to ask those questions - they're probably asked more by people who are not or do not have a religious background to start with.

The MC is where we find success, in whatever form that takes. It isn't just career. It refers to status and what makes us feel complete. Whether that is a career, money, property, titles and prestige, public standing, marriage, a home and kids - whatever makes us feel "successful". For some people it takes a lot less than for others, where everything in the world still isn't enough.

The IC refers to home, security, nurturing and so on. It can be the home you live in now, the home you were raised in, your parents or whomever raised you and was the parental authority, it can be your own kids and how you raise them, and so on. Whatever makes your domicile a "home".

The 2nd house can refer to property by itself, but not necessarily a home. It can also reference finances and money but not necessarily how you got it.

Thats vague enough.
everyone asks those questions. Thats why the Sun in any house fits anyone. We all deal wit them one way or another.

 

[mdinaz]

Thats vague enough.
everyone asks those questions. Thats why the Sun in any house fits anyone. We all deal wit them one way or another.

Then perhaps you'd be surprised at the number who don't, and couldn't care less. Witness much of American pop culture.

I'm not going to give a 10,000-word treatise here. The aspects and signs also narrow the meaning, as well as transits and progressions. Your 8th house sun is not my 8th house sun, and so on.

 

[socrates]

Then perhaps you'd be surprised at the number who don't, and couldn't care less. Witness much of American pop culture.

I'm not going to give a 10,000-word treatise here. The aspects and signs also narrow the meaning, as well as transits and progressions. Your 8th house sun is not my 8th house sun, and so on.

They do, only at certain time of their life. Just like I dont think about career or fun all time