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<blockquote data-quote="Kannon" data-source="post: 204456" data-attributes="member: 13028"><p><strong><span style="color: darkred">Seems a little weird "<span style="color: darkslategray">big secret to be had in software</span>" what's your take on this <strong>Kannon</strong>?</span></strong></p><p> <strong></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: #8b0000">Or is <a href="http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=93604559" target="_blank"><strong><span style="color: #003399">macthebull</span></strong></a> perhaps better, pic sure looks like you.</span></strong></p><p> <strong></strong></p><p><strong><a href="http://forum.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=messageboard.viewThread&groupID=100266570&page=10&EntryID=70350159&CategoryID=0&get=1&adTopicId=0&lastpagesent=9&Mytoken=2B26C574-B6A8-4F26-952801CEF1F64C0D96062107" target="_blank">http://forum.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=messageboard.viewThread&groupID=100266570&page=10&EntryID=70350159&CategoryID=0&get=1&adTopicId=0&lastpagesent=9&Mytoken=2B26C574-B6A8-4F26-952801CEF1F64C0D96062107</a></strong></p><p> <strong></strong></p><p><strong>All mixed up CC.</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p></blockquote><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Yeah, I don't like the secrecy either. Whatever the reasons were originally, I don't think they are relevant any longer. I don't view astrology as "occult." To me it is part of nature, and while there may be deeper or more 'esoteric' aspects of it, I see it as something <strong>Universal</strong> that should be shared. I'm not mathematically inclined at all, so I've had to learn a roundabout method of roughly back-engineering accurate Ascendants. </strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong><strong>Each birth chart holds all of its own secrets, so if you study it <em> in reference to the person it belongs to</em> then you can unlock these things.</strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>What I learned is that by the time a person is a 30-40 year-old adult, they've experienced enough (probably even by age 21 or so) to reveal their correct Asc by transits of Uranus angular to the correct Asc. These angular Uranus transits quicken, or at least, disrupt the normal rhythm and patterns of the person's life so that things abnormal or unusual occur during about a 2-year period during the transit. So I look for this during an initial client intake. It is often actually easy to arrive at. A two year period of disturbance in the stability of relationships/work/home life. Very often when you have t.Uranus square the (correct) Asc it will be preceded or followed by a conjunction or opposition to the (correct) MC, giving further clues to the correct Asc. </strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong><strong>Also helpful are angular transits by Jupiter.</strong> This one is how I discovered my mom's correct Asc. She had no idea what time of day she was born and no document or anyone with any memory of the timing of the event. After proper study of the Asc Signs, it was obvious Aries is hers. After looking at dates of moves (via dad's memory and mine) while I was growing up a pattern emerged. She is the family leader, the impetus of decision-making. On dates of moves Jupiter and/or Uranus were in mid-late degree areas, especially Cardinal signs. I've since seen a similar pattern that allows me to adjust the charts of others.</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong><strong>To narrow down the correct degree</strong> you'll have to rely on transits by quicker moving planets, Sun, Mercury, Moon, Mars. These are the planets that time actions to within 1* or so. See <strong>Planets in Transit</strong> by Robert Hand <em>and really study the Rules for Transit Timing</em>. I've seen some astrologers I know here online who don't and they leap to conclusions with errant rectifications as a result. (Even R. Hand uses an incorrect birth chart for Nixon, included in book. Nixon's correct AS = 19CAN52 with t.Pluto opp n.MC at the time of his resignation).</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>So I don't need the secret Incarn formulas. I've learned to make adjustments to find the Asc degree using Transits for significant life events, and to find tune that using secondary progressions. </strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>So while I think some of the others here have actually answered the question better - in terms of astrological concepts - I find the only answer that matters is to the question that matters, which is, "What were the birth chart specifics (Asc, MC) of this specific person, so that I can understand and interpret their original intentions/history before incarnating?"</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>That question I can answer. There is no reliable formula (outside the "secret" ones I mentioned) or time interval that applies to everyone.</strong></p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="Kannon, post: 204456, member: 13028"] [B][COLOR=darkred]Seems a little weird "[COLOR=darkslategray]big secret to be had in software[/COLOR]" what's your take on this [B]Kannon[/B]?[/COLOR] [COLOR=#8b0000][/COLOR] [COLOR=#8b0000]Or is [URL="http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=93604559"][B][COLOR=#003399]macthebull[/COLOR][/B][/URL] perhaps better, pic sure looks like you.[/COLOR] [COLOR=#8b0000][/COLOR] [URL]http://forum.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=messageboard.viewThread&groupID=100266570&page=10&EntryID=70350159&CategoryID=0&get=1&adTopicId=0&lastpagesent=9&Mytoken=2B26C574-B6A8-4F26-952801CEF1F64C0D96062107[/URL] All mixed up CC. [COLOR=#8b0000][/COLOR][/QUOTE] Yeah, I don't like the secrecy either. Whatever the reasons were originally, I don't think they are relevant any longer. I don't view astrology as "occult." To me it is part of nature, and while there may be deeper or more 'esoteric' aspects of it, I see it as something [B]Universal[/B] that should be shared. I'm not mathematically inclined at all, so I've had to learn a roundabout method of roughly back-engineering accurate Ascendants. [B]Each birth chart holds all of its own secrets, so if you study it [I] in reference to the person it belongs to[/I] then you can unlock these things.[/B] What I learned is that by the time a person is a 30-40 year-old adult, they've experienced enough (probably even by age 21 or so) to reveal their correct Asc by transits of Uranus angular to the correct Asc. These angular Uranus transits quicken, or at least, disrupt the normal rhythm and patterns of the person's life so that things abnormal or unusual occur during about a 2-year period during the transit. So I look for this during an initial client intake. It is often actually easy to arrive at. A two year period of disturbance in the stability of relationships/work/home life. Very often when you have t.Uranus square the (correct) Asc it will be preceded or followed by a conjunction or opposition to the (correct) MC, giving further clues to the correct Asc. [B]Also helpful are angular transits by Jupiter.[/B] This one is how I discovered my mom's correct Asc. She had no idea what time of day she was born and no document or anyone with any memory of the timing of the event. After proper study of the Asc Signs, it was obvious Aries is hers. After looking at dates of moves (via dad's memory and mine) while I was growing up a pattern emerged. She is the family leader, the impetus of decision-making. On dates of moves Jupiter and/or Uranus were in mid-late degree areas, especially Cardinal signs. I've since seen a similar pattern that allows me to adjust the charts of others. [B]To narrow down the correct degree[/B] you'll have to rely on transits by quicker moving planets, Sun, Mercury, Moon, Mars. These are the planets that time actions to within 1* or so. See [B]Planets in Transit[/B] by Robert Hand [I]and really study the Rules for Transit Timing[/I]. I've seen some astrologers I know here online who don't and they leap to conclusions with errant rectifications as a result. (Even R. Hand uses an incorrect birth chart for Nixon, included in book. Nixon's correct AS = 19CAN52 with t.Pluto opp n.MC at the time of his resignation). So I don't need the secret Incarn formulas. I've learned to make adjustments to find the Asc degree using Transits for significant life events, and to find tune that using secondary progressions. So while I think some of the others here have actually answered the question better - in terms of astrological concepts - I find the only answer that matters is to the question that matters, which is, "What were the birth chart specifics (Asc, MC) of this specific person, so that I can understand and interpret their original intentions/history before incarnating?" That question I can answer. There is no reliable formula (outside the "secret" ones I mentioned) or time interval that applies to everyone.[/B] [/QUOTE]
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