Easy Aspects from Natal Moon to Inner and/or Outer Planets yet Tumultuous Relationship with Mother?

uranianplutonian

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Hi all 😊,

I've observed many natal charts of people with easy aspects (trines and/or sextiles) from their natal Moon to inner and/or outer planets, yet these folk have a tumultuous relationship with their mother. Wouldn't a tumultuous relationship with one's mother show up as the natal Moon making hard aspects to the inner and/or outer planets?


Thank you in advance. :innocent:
 

uranianplutonian

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Came across a free pdf on academia.edu of The Luminaries: the Psychology of the Sun and Moon in the Horoscope by Liz Greene & Howard Sasportas. I will attach it here.

Very interesting and insightful book. The book only really addresses hard aspects from the Sun and Moon to the inner and outer planets, however it doesn't mention much at all about easy aspects.

Perhaps the Moon sign and house affect how an easy aspect to an inner or outer planet manifests? I'm going to look into this. 😏
 

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uranianplutonian

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I'm going to take a look at a natal chart of someone who I know has a tumultuous relationship with their mother due to them complaining about it a lot.

Her Moon makes easy aspects to Jupiter, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto, and Lilith (technically not a planet, but I'm still putting it in here). The only hard aspect that her Moon makes is to Chiron by conjunction.

Does Moon conjunct Chiron (malefic asteroid) negate the easy aspect the Moon makes to Jupiter, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto, and Lilith? I want to say yes because Chiron is potent, malefic asteroid (in my opinion), however that's likely not the only thing that negates these easy aspects.

Her Moon is peregrine in Virgo, BUT it's in the Tenth House, Capricorn's territory, and the Moon is in detriment in Capricorn.

So, Moon conjunct Chiron, in a house where the original (what's the Astrological term for this again? :innocent:) ruler is Capricorn = tumultuous relationship with mother? Maybe. More analysis of natal charts that fit into the category of easy aspects from Moon to inner and/or outer planets yet tumultuous relationship with mother, is needed.
 

uranianplutonian

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Next natal chart with easy aspects from Moon to inner and/or outer planets yet tumultuous relationship with mother:

His Moon is sextile his Sun and Jupiter, and even applying to a wide conjunction with his POF! It's in the second house, the territory of Taurus. The Moon likes being in Taurus, so what's the deal?

His moon is partile quincunx his North Node. His Chiron is in a wide conjunction with his North Node. Is this the straw that broke the camel's back? I'm not convinced. Maybe he gave me the wrong birth time. I'm going to take a peek at some of his natal asteroid placements.

His natal Moon is square Nemesis and Kronos, which are conjunct his Venus, and Venus is also square his Saturn. I'm still not convinced. Perhaps the Moon in a wide square with Venus is the answer? I'll come back to this.
 

uranianplutonian

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Another natal chart of someone I know with easy Moon aspects and a tumultuous relationship with their mother:

His Moon is conjunct Mercury, quintile partile Venus (applying), trine Neptune, and quintile Pluto (separating).

His Moon is peregrine in Virgo, and in Libra's house, the Seventh House. The Moon in Libra's house would also make it peregrine.

It's opposing his Ascendant though. The First House is originally ruled by Mars. Perhaps this is where the tumultuousness comes from? Moon and Mars do not mix well at all.
 

conspiracy theorist

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Another natal chart of someone I know with easy Moon aspects and a tumultuous relationship with their mother:

His Moon is conjunct Mercury, quintile partile Venus (applying), trine Neptune, and quintile Pluto (separating).

His Moon is peregrine in Virgo, and in Libra's house, the Seventh House. The Moon in Libra's house would also make it peregrine.

It's opposing his Ascendant though. The First House is originally ruled by Mars. Perhaps this is where the tumultuousness comes from? Moon and Mars do not mix well at all.
Want to share the chart?
 

uranianplutonian

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@uranianplutonian

You have my map. Check my chart.

Also my brother has a poor relationship with mom. His Aries Stellium (Sun, Merc, Mars, Saturn) all square Cancer Moon
Took a peek. You have the Moon-Pluto square though. :innocent:

I'm mostly looking at natal charts with all easy aspects from the Moon to the inner and/or outer planets, yet a tumultuous relationship with one's mother.

Trying to figure out where the tumultuousness with one's mother can be seen in a natal chart if there's all easy aspects from the Moon, and why there are easy aspects if the relationship with the mother is tumultuous. I initially assumed that all easy aspects from the Moon to inner and/or outer planets would mean a ~good relationship with the Mother.

From what I'm observing with the Moon, all easy aspects and no hard aspects does not mean a good relationship with one's mother. The sign and house placement negate the ~influence of easy aspects it seems (still have to observe more natal charts with all easy aspects from the natal Moon to the inner and/or outer planets).
 

conspiracy theorist

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Bare in mind with your analysis that the MC/IC axis also has to do with mother and father. In these charts with the soft aspects to the moon, are there any hard angles happening to them, and what about the 10th house ruler?

Reading the thread further, I noticed Neptune mentioned the 4th house. Older astrological literature has the 10th as the mother, while its flipped in more modern circumstances
 
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Frisiangal

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It might help to remember that the Moon also signifies one's expectations and needs from/towards another. If a mother's chart shows conflicting aspects (via synastry) to the child's Moon, she may not come up to their expectations or supply their needs in that particular area. Their own 'well-aspected' Moon means the aspecting planet inherently fulfils their own needs/expectations from within themselves, and not only that expected from the female parent.

Your friend with Moon in Virgo has it in the most discriminative sign of the zodiac. It separates the chaff from the corn, yet can be very critical in doing so. It can dish out its criticism, yet receiving (Moon) it even when well-intended? Where is Virgo's need for perfection satisfied if the child can only react (Moon) to what mum doesn't have that their needs require, rather than what she does?

Black Moon Lilith to Moon can bring its own issues concerning 'a (non-existent) natural bonding' to/within the biological mother relationship. Maybe the friend with Chiron conjunct Moon reacts to that 'imperfection' in one's internal nature, which 'hurts'.

Moon conjunct Mercury ( in Virgo?) trine Neptune aligns with mental/emotional factors. In 7th house could it imply an 'everyone is against me' attitude, through which one escapes into and lives in one's own world?

An easy aspect between Sun and Moon can suggest a good relationship between the parents themselves. If the child sees this expressed in them, it could feel them 'ganging up' on his/her own harsh aspects in the chart.

Do the individuals mentioned all feel (unable) to live up to mum's expectations of them??? :wink:

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Orion

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It's important to see the chart otherwise many factors are unknown. For instance with oppositions orbs of 6°30 are still valid. Maybe the person has large oppositions to the moon.
 

uranianplutonian

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Bare in mind with your analysis that the MC/IC axis also has to do with mother and father. In these charts with the soft aspects to the moon, are there any hard angles happening to them, and what about the 10th house ruler?

Reading the thread further, I noticed Neptune mentioned the 4th house. Older astrological literature has the 10th as the mother, while its flipped in more modern circumstances
Tenth House ruler is afflicted in the chart I posted a few minutes ago. Not sure how on board I am with the Tenth House signifying the mother though. Who knows, maybe these charts will point to the possibility of the Tenth House signifying the mother in some people's lives – I'd have to see it play out in a decent amount (over ten) of these natal charts.
 

conspiracy theorist

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Tenth House ruler is afflicted in the chart I posted a few minutes ago. Not sure how on board I am with the Tenth House signifying the mother though. Who knows, maybe these charts will point to the possibility of the Tenth House signifying the mother in some people's lives – I'd have to see it play out in a decent amount (over ten) of these natal charts.

Yes, it's afflicted and in fall,and also out of sect and square the malefic out of the sect. Also gets anopposition from Mars in fall. ****. How is his career life/reputation?

The 4th house was traditionally seen as "legacy", father, land, inheritance, and all of that. 10th was mother because the 10th is the 7th from the 4th as the father's "wife". There should be a free copy of the tetrabiblos and Valens still floating around online, you can read through them in order to see what the older astrologers attributed to the houses.

Even so, Mercurial influence was seen as contentious and like a malefic-lite. So Moon in Virgo and in the house of open enemies could also be telling of the relationship -- was there are a lot of verbal conflict?
 

uranianplutonian

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It might help to remember that the Moon also signifies one's expectations and needs from/towards another. If a mother's chart shows conflicting aspects (via synastry) to the child's Moon, she may not come up to their expectations or supply their needs in that particular area. Their own 'well-aspected' Moon means the aspecting planet inherently fulfils their own needs/expectations from within themselves, and not only that expected from the female parent.

Your friend with Moon in Virgo has it in the most discriminative sign of the zodiac. It separates the chaff from the corn, yet can be very critical in doing so. It can dish out its criticism, yet receiving (Moon) it even when well-intended? Where is Virgo's need for perfection satisfied if the child can only react (Moon) to what mum doesn't have that their needs require, rather than what she does?

Black Moon Lilith to Moon can bring its own issues concerning 'a (non-existent) natural bonding' to/within the biological mother relationship. Maybe the friend with Chiron conjunct Moon reacts to that 'imperfection' in one's internal nature, which 'hurts'.

Moon conjunct Mercury ( in Virgo?) trine Neptune aligns with mental/emotional factors. In 7th house could it imply an 'everyone is against me' attitude, through which one escapes into and lives in one's own world?

An easy aspect between Sun and Moon can suggest a good relationship between the parents themselves. If the child sees this expressed in them, it could feel them 'ganging up' on his/her own harsh aspects in the chart.

Do the individuals mentioned all feel (unable) to live up to mum's expectations of them??? :wink:

:smile:
Thank you for your reply and insight!

What does a non-existent natural bonding mean (in terms of Black Moon Lilith to Moon)?

I think in a way, they all have a sense of not feeling able to live up to their mother's expectations, perhaps through not getting along with their mothers. I think the feeling of not living up to their mother's expectations could come from their mother's tone, remarks, behaviours, etc., which lead to clashes.
 

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As far as I can tell, Zip Dobyns was the originator of the astrological alphabet a.k.a Moon = 4th house = Cancer.

 

uranianplutonian

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Yes, it's afflicted and in fall,and also out of sect and square the malefic out of the sect. Also gets anopposition from Mars in fall. ****. How is his career life/reputation?

The 4th house was traditionally seen as "legacy", father, land, inheritance, and all of that. 10th was mother because the 10th is the 7th from the 4th as the father's "wife". There should be a free copy of the tetrabiblos and Valens still floating around online, you can read through them in order to see what the older astrologers attributed to the houses.

Even so, Mercurial influence was seen as contentious and like a malefic-lite. So Moon in Virgo and in the house of open enemies could also be telling of the relationship -- was there are a lot of verbal conflict?
From what I remember, he gets along better with his father. In terms of reputation, he's a likeable man – kind, bubbly, funny, and compassionate.

I happen to have a hardcover Ptolemy's Tetrabiblos. 😏 I'm not convinced that the Tenth House signifies the mother for ~every natal chart, but maybe for some. Still have to see it with my own eyes. 😌

I thought Mercury was neutral?

I can see Moon in Virgo in the Seventh House telling of the relationship. From what I remember him telling me, yes there was a lot of verbal conflict.
 
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