david starling
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Btw, I drink only organic red wine.
And I smoke only organic, legal marijuana.
I use both "in moderation".
And I smoke only organic, legal marijuana.
I use both "in moderation".
Drugs - your opinion?
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passiflora
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I find alcohol yuck on a societal level - it's no substitute for social-emotional literacy - and also on an individual level.
Pharmaceutical tranquilizers are legal but highly regulated and maybe given extra aura of respectability since you have to pay off multiple practitioners with doctoral level education to secure the substances, and those practitioners have a specific interest in marketing their product domains and protecting their badges.
In Northern California decriminalizing pot didn't do anything to get the mob out of growing. If I understand correctly the mob poisoned national forests while growing. I think they did a weird job of decriminalizing too, by letting big growers with greenhouses flood the market and not use any regenerative practices, so what should have been a high quality cottage industry now looks like big agriculture or pharma.
david starling
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It did a lot, because it's legal to grow your own. There are still plenty of independent, smaller growers also. It's pretty much decriminalized on the Federal level, even though it's legal on the State level. Even Texas(!) is gradually moving towards legalizing.
passiflora
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Yeah as a grow-your-own guy you're not dependent any more on the mob, but the market still is.
www.wsj.com
www.nbcnews.com
If you're talking about growing your own on a societal level, I don't mind most things that way. Coca leaf, opium poppy, pot, homebrew, whatever.
How New York and California Botched Marijuana Legalization
Steep taxes and heavy regulation are making it hard for licensed pot sellers to operate in some states, driving more producers and buyers to illegal outlets. “Our No. 1 competitor is the illicit market.”
www.wsj.com
Raids on black market cannabis farms uncover human trafficking victims
They came from China by way of New York in hope of supporting themselves and their loved ones back home. Instead, they were trafficked into the illicit drug trade.
www.nbcnews.com
If you're talking about growing your own on a societal level, I don't mind most things that way. Coca leaf, opium poppy, pot, homebrew, whatever.
ScorpioMaria
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Yeah as a grow-your-own guy you're not dependent any more on the mob, but the market still is.
How New York and California Botched Marijuana Legalization
Steep taxes and heavy regulation are making it hard for licensed pot sellers to operate in some states, driving more producers and buyers to illegal outlets. “Our No. 1 competitor is the illicit market.”
Raids on black market cannabis farms uncover human trafficking victims
They came from China by way of New York in hope of supporting themselves and their loved ones back home. Instead, they were trafficked into the illicit drug trade.
If you're talking about growing your own on a societal level, I don't mind most things that way. Coca leaf, opium poppy, pot, homebrew, whatever.
Legal Weed, Broken Promises: A Times series on the fallout of legal pot in California
California’s legalization of recreational cannabis in 2016 ushered in a multibillion-dollar industry. But many of the promises of legalization have proved elusive.
www.latimes.com
California seems to be a dysfunctional narco-state now, especially the rural areas.
Individuals can grow their own, as long as there is enough water, and as long as the police and fire department protect you;
otherwise, the cartels seem to control the entire illegal economy, as well as the legal economy, the political system, etc, possibly the police
Opal
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Therapeutic Use of LSD in Psychiatry: A Systematic Review of Randomized-Controlled Clinical Trials
Lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD) was studied from the 1950s to the 1970s to evaluate behavioral and personality changes, as well as remission of psychiatric symptoms in various disorders. LSD was used in the treatment of anxiety, depression, psychosomatic ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Medical uses of LSD
Opal
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Medical uses of heroin.
Opal
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7 illegal drugs that could be used in medicine
Like any substance that affects the human body, drugs have myriad effects - and some of them have real medical potential.
Medical uses of the above and others.
ScorpioMaria
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1953? I believe the "doctors" were doing lobotomies back then
Nurse Ratched wants more drugs for her patients
Here is what else the doctors and the CIA and military were doing, some of it involving narcotics:
en.wikipedia.org
Nurse Ratched wants more drugs for her patients
Here is what else the doctors and the CIA and military were doing, some of it involving narcotics:
Unethical human experimentation in the United States - Wikipedia
passiflora
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The LAtimes article you linked is fantastic. Not at all hyperbole. I have been to some of those communities recently.Same article free, archivedLegal Weed, Broken Promises: A Times series on the fallout of legal pot in California
California’s legalization of recreational cannabis in 2016 ushered in a multibillion-dollar industry. But many of the promises of legalization have proved elusive.
California seems to be a dysfunctional narco-state now, especially the rural areas.
Individuals can grow their own, as long as there is enough water, and as long as the police and fire department protect you;
otherwise, the cartels seem to control the entire illegal economy, as well as the legal economy, the political system, etc, possibly the police
Now that the bottom has fallen out there is at least less water pilfering from aquifers everyone depends on for food.... but still you see the scars of sad, no-way-out, rural "missing persons" and death.
Opal
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Psychedelic Research in 1950s Saskatchewan
In the 1950s, Saskatchewan was home to some of the most important psychedelic research in the world. Saskatchewan-based psychiatrist Humphry Osmond coined the w...
www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca
In the 1950's Canada was using LSD to treat alcoholism. The success rate was better than lobotomies.
ScorpioMaria
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Aldous Huxley and Cary Grant loved LSD. So did Syd Barrett of Pink Floyd, look what happened to him.
LSD was a CIA program, hospitals and universities were subcontracted to test the drug on witting and unwitting patients, see MKULTRA
en.wikipedia.org
LSD was a CIA program, hospitals and universities were subcontracted to test the drug on witting and unwitting patients, see MKULTRA
Syd Barrett - Wikipedia
passiflora
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Aldous Huxley and Cary Grant loved LSD. So did Syd Barrett, look what happened to him.
Syd Barrett - Wikipedia
LSD was a CIA program, hospitals and universities were subcontracted to test the drug on witting and unwitting patients, see MKULTA
The Man screws everything up beyond recognition, especially the possibility of enlightenment.
Opal
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It wasn't the LSD for Syd, he had serious issues, unrelated to drugs.Aldous Huxley and Cary Grant loved LSD. So did Syd Barrett, look what happened to him.
Syd Barrett - Wikipedia
LSD was a CIA program, hospitals and universities were subcontracted to test the drug on witting and unwitting patients, see MKULTA
Depression.
ScorpioMaria
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He fried his brain from heavy psychedelic drug use, including LSD, he was a vegetable for the rest of his life, use responsibly
Opal
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If that's what you need to believe. I saw a thing by Roger Waters. His best friend. Yes, they did LSD. It was not the reason for his psychosis though.He fried his brain from heavy psychedelic drug use, including LSD, he was a vegetable for the rest of his life, use responsibly
Opal
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Roger Waters Talks Drug Use & Syd Barrett’s Exit from Pink Floyd: “How could we possibly survive?” – 2022 – INTERVIEW
The Joe Rogan Experience: Roger Waters Tells the Tragic Story of Syd Barrett. You can listen to the entire interview @ this location. An excerpt from the interview has been transcribed below. INTER…
fullinbloom.com
Roger Waters on Syd Barrett.
ScorpioMaria
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Health problems
Through late 1967 and early 1968, Barrett became increasingly erratic, partly as a consequence of his heavy use of psychedelic drugs such as LSD.[13] Once described as joyful, friendly, and extroverted, he became increasingly depressed and withdrawn, and experienced hallucinations, disorganised speech, memory lapses, intense mood swings, and periods of catatonia.[9] Although the changes began gradually, he went missing for a long weekend and, according to several friends, including Wright, came back "a completely different person".[9]
One of the striking features of his change was the development of a blank, dead-eyed stare. Barrett did not recognise friends, and often did not know where he was; on a tour of Los Angeles, Barrett is said to have exclaimed, "Gee, it sure is nice to be in Las Vegas!"[9] Many reports described him on stage, strumming one chord through the entire concert, or not playing at all.[75] At a show in Santa Monica, Barrett slowly detuned his guitar.[76]
Syd Barrett & Pink Floyd
Syd Barrett was an English composer and purveyor of some of the most intriguing music ever written. Famous before his twentieth birthday, Barrett led the charge of psychedelia onstage at London's famed UFO club. With a Fender Telecaster and a primitive Binson echo unit, Barrett liberated the...
books.google.com
Opal
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That is what schizophrenia does.Health problems
Through late 1967 and early 1968, Barrett became increasingly erratic, partly as a consequence of his heavy use of psychedelic drugs such as LSD.[13] Once described as joyful, friendly, and extroverted, he became increasingly depressed and withdrawn, and experienced hallucinations, disorganised speech, memory lapses, intense mood swings, and periods of catatonia.[9] Although the changes began gradually, he went missing for a long weekend and, according to several friends, including Wright, came back "a completely different person".[9]
One of the striking features of his change was the development of a blank, dead-eyed stare. Barrett did not recognise friends, and often did not know where he was; on a tour of Los Angeles, Barrett is said to have exclaimed, "Gee, it sure is nice to be in Las Vegas!"[9] Many reports described him on stage, strumming one chord through the entire concert, or not playing at all.[75] At a show in Santa Monica, Barrett slowly detuned his guitar.[76]
Syd Barrett & Pink Floyd
Syd Barrett was an English composer and purveyor of some of the most intriguing music ever written. Famous before his twentieth birthday, Barrett led the charge of psychedelia onstage at London's famed UFO club. With a Fender Telecaster and a primitive Binson echo unit, Barrett liberated the...books.google.com