Doom & Gloom

Ukpoohbear

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To the person who gives out the evil eye on the forum:

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Ukpoohbear

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My cats tell me it’s accurate.


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leomoon

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Cleopatra actually had very big feet (long) - her ankle and a gold ankle bracelet was all that was left on one temple wall on one Island we went to. However on Dendera's Temple wall out back - someone told me to look there and viola' there she was with Caesarion her young son from Julius Caesar. He was murdered after his mother and stepfather Mark Antony committed suicide. Octavion wasn't taking any chances and ordered the hit. He (Octavion) was adopted & raised by Caesar and his sister and became the next in line for the throne.
 

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leomoon

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The female twin of Cleopatra went by the name Cleopatra Selene. She married a royal by the name of Jubal. They met in Rome where she was raised along with her brothers taken there after their parents died in Egypt. They were raised by an ex wife of Mark Antony.
 

leomoon

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Its probably a "good thing" that the doom & gloom of their child wasn't seen by the parents (Cleopatra Selene or Juba) both dying rather young) because their son Ptolemy was murdered too! (see below)

The couple ruled Mauretania for almost two decades until Cleopatra's death at the age of 35. Controversy surrounds her exact date of death. The following epigram by Greek epigrammatist Crinagoras of Mytilene is considered to be her eulogy:[13]


The moon herself grew dark, rising at sunset,
Covering her suffering in the night,
Because she saw her beautiful namesake, Selene,
Breathless, descending to Hades,
With her she had had the beauty of her light in common,
And mingled her own darkness with her death.

If this poem isn't simply literary license, Selene's death seems to have coincided with a lunar eclipse. If so, astronomical correlation then can be used to help pinpoint the date of her death: Lunar eclipses occurred in 9, 8, 5 and 1 BC and in AD 3, 7, 10, 11 and 14. The event in 5 BC most closely resembles the description given in the eulogy.

Cleopatra Selene was survived by her husband and their son Ptolemy, who ruled Mauretania together until Juba's death in AD 23. Ptolemy then reigned until 40, when he was executed by Emperor Caligula, his mother's great nephew, who was probably jealous

 

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Ukpoohbear

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The Forgotten History of the British Pet Holocaust

Also, let’s not forget all the wild horses who were stolen from America etc and taken to war zones.


They called her crazy because she had empathy for horses. 😿

 

Ukpoohbear

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Cleopatra actually had very big feet (long) - her ankle and a gold ankle bracelet was all that was left on one temple wall on one Island we went to. However on Dendera's Temple wall out back - someone told me to look there and viola' there she was with Caesarion her young son from Julius Caesar. He was murdered after his mother and stepfather Mark Antony committed suicide. Octavion wasn't taking any chances and ordered the hit. He (Octavion) was adopted & raised by Caesar and his sister and became the next in line for the throne.

Wow, thank you for sharing those photos, how fascinating!!

Do you mean her actual ankle was found on a wall or was it just her actual bracelet?

It’s so interesting that they have not yet found the tomb of Cleopatra. Just adds to her intrigue and power, as if she is still being protected.

Btw, if you also believe in past lives and fate, as I do, I believe that Elizabeth Taylor and Richard Burton were Cleopatra and Marc Antony reunited. Perhaps Mike Todd was Caesar (I’m not as 💯 on that though).

Cleopatra and Marc Antony would have believed they would be reunited in the afterlife. But how could they have ever imagined they would be reunited like 2000 (?) years later in a world where movies and television was a thing, and they would be able to re-play their scenario again? Wow.

Star-crossed lovers - they fell in love but the political times caused them to not have enough time together.

Octavian has been portrayed as a very lazy, weak but extremely intelligent ‘chess-player’ in the TV show ‘Rome’ (HBO) and also the movie Cleopatra (1963). He out-played everybody and became the longest running emperor of all time, ushering in an era of stability and peace in the Roman Empire - he achieved what Caesar wanted to, or had set the groundwork of, which was to destroy the Republic and become Emperor of Rome.

Elizabeth Taylor, just before she started filming Cleopatra in Rome, had a very near death experience, when she had to have a tracheotomy in order to save her life. It left her with a visible scar on her neck…Could this be where the asp had actually bit Cleopatra, on her neck, and not in her breast, as the story had been re-told?

I have long believed Elizabeth Taylor and Richard Burton to be the reincarnation of Cleopatra and Marc Antony, but it was actually DS who pointed out the asp could actually have bit Cleopatra on the neck and this is why ET had her scar there.

My theory might sound far-fetched, especially to less spiritual types, but I believe this is how the Universe works.

Have you ever seen HBO’s Rome btw? It’s a really good TV show that was sadly cut down to only two series, so the 2nd series does rush through vast periods of time-frames to get to the Cleopatra parts, when series 1 started years before when Caesar was on his conquest in Gaul and had that alliance with his friend Pompey.

I had the collector’s edition DVD, that had an option to select historical details whilst the episodes were playing, so you got to learn a lot about the culture of Rome and accuracy HBO strived for. I really liked learning about the culture, down to their social customs, even board games they would have played etc. So fascinating!

This is a clip where Julius Caesar visits Rome and tries to sort out the conflict between Cleopatra’s little brother and herself.

It shows him offering the head of Pompey to Julius Caesar but Caesar is furious that a Consul of Rome be disrespected as such, even if he was Caesar’s enemy at the time (it’s all historically accurate) —


Actually, because you like Cleopatra, here is her death scene with the asp —


Have you read The Rise and Fall of The Roman Empire? I haven’t, I’m not that interested because the books are very long, but I know a few people who have, and it sounds very interesting tbh.

Elizabeth Taylor as Cleopatra, with the tracheotomy scar on show. (Bert Stern, 1962) (click to enlarge) —
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Ukpoohbear

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Underground bunker movie:

(Spoiler alert) a couple are saved from a car crash and taken to an underground bunker by a man who says he is looking after them and the world has been invaded by alien machine things. The viewer even sees these alien machines eat the beginning but, as weeks turn into months, and cabin fever sets in, the couple starts to disbelieve the man and suspect they have been kidnapped. Eventually, the kill him and open the door to the bunker, then realise they’re about to die cos the alien things spot them —

 

leomoon

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Interesting about the scar on her neck - I hadn't noticed or realized she had one. Maybe it's indicative of a connection, who knows. Well, she would know now/
Those two (Taylor & Burton) married twice to each other and eventually divorced for good each marrying another time before they died. (for those who didn't know) But I'm sure he was the love of her life this go around. Problem being they both drank like fish when together and fought like banshees.

As for the ankle of Cleopatra & her foot (a large one), its on the temple wall of the Isis Temple. From what I recall vaguely now, it's just flecks of gold left as though it was painted on with gold 2,000 yrs ago and that is all that is left, i.e. the foot and ankle with flecks of gold.

 

Ukpoohbear

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Interesting about the scar on her neck - I hadn't noticed or realized she had one. Maybe it's indicative of a connection, who knows. Well, she would know now/
Those two (Taylor & Burton) married twice to each other and eventually divorced for good each marrying another time before they died. (for those who didn't know) But I'm sure he was the love of her life this go around. Problem being they both drank like fish when together and fought like banshees.

As for the ankle of Cleopatra & her foot (a large one), its on the temple wall of the Isis Temple. From what I recall vaguely now, it's just flecks of gold left as though it was painted on with gold 2,000 yrs ago and that is all that is left, i.e. the foot and ankle with flecks of gold.


Oh I see, so actual gold flakes left over from the ankle and ankle bracelet of a painting of Cleopatra can still be seen. That’s pretty cool!

I believe ET did know they were soulmates because she remained addicted to him for the rest of her life, declaring ‘we had time, but not enough time,’ which relates to their SN-Saturn synastry conjunction and being old soul mates.

You’re right though, the relationship was toxic and not to be looked at as anything to aspire to - would you want your daughter to be married to a verbally abusive alcoholic? Nope!

They both gave as good as they got though, but it was not a healthy relationship. But still, it’s a fascinating love story to read about.
 

leomoon

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Oh I see, so actual gold flakes left over from the ankle and ankle bracelet of a painting of Cleopatra can still be seen. That’s pretty cool!

Not a painting, rather a carving into the wall like the others you see on the images posted. Carved right into stone. Somehow they had put gold on her ankle and time and weather I suppose, perhaps people scraped it off I imagine over 2,000 yrs. It struck me as strange because I've been to many temples over 8 years in Egypt traveling there and this is the only time I saw gold etched into stone. It was the first time I went back in 2004. I've often wondered if its still there.

 
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Ukpoohbear

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Not a painting, rather a carving into the wall like the others you see on the images posted. Carved right into stone. Somehow they had put gold on her ankle and time and weather I suppose, perhaps people scraped it off I imagine over 2,000 yrs. It struck me as strange because I've been to many temples over 8 years in Egypt traveling there and this is the only time I saw gold etched into stone. It was the first time I went back in 2004. I've often wondered if it’s still there.

Yes, when I said painting, I meant the ‘painting on the wall.’ I read the article you posted.

Strange as in possibly Cleopatra’s final resting place..??

It would be cool if you could somehow use your knowledge from visiting the Egyptian temples and couple it with a ‘lost item’ horary, to find out where it is!
 

leomoon

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Yes, when I said painting, I meant the ‘painting on the wall.’ I read the article you posted.

Strange as in possibly Cleopatra’s final resting place..??

It would be cool if you could somehow use your knowledge from visiting the Egyptian temples and couple it with a ‘lost item’ horary, to find out where it is!
No one knows where she or Antony were buried although there were original tips given., searches have not yielded their remains. I've only been to Alexandria one time. Not long enough to really know the area there. I'm more familiar with Luxor and somewhat with Cairo.

In January 2019, controversy arose over the possibility that the discovery of the tombs was imminent, attributed to remarks by Zahi Hawass at a conference at the University of Palermo. The Egyptologist denied the news in an article in the newspaper Al-Ahram, affirming that the thesis that the tombs were in Taposiris Magna was not his but that of Kathleen Martínez, and that he did not believe Martínez' hypothesis because "the Egyptians never buried inside a temple", given that "the temples were for worshiping, and this was for the goddess Isis. It is therefore unlikely that Cleopatra was buried there."[8]

In early November 2022 the team of archaeologists led by Martínez identified a 1,300 meter long tunnel in the area of the temple of Taposiris Magna, west of Alexandria, that could lead to Cleopatra's tomb.[9]
 
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