Does my father in law have cancer? Very important to me...

anjelik

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My FIL has a lot going on from a health perspective at the moment and I am getting really anxious and nervous that he has cancer. I have taken over all responsibility of speaking with his doctor's and advocating on his behalf, as my husband is just not emotionally capable of doing so since he lost both his sister and mother. My FIL has requested that I handle this as he feels I am more level headed in situations than his son who reacts emotionally. Because of this, I am not sure if I read my FIL as the 10th house or my husband's 10th? I love him like my own father but I don't know if this makes a difference. If this is cancer, will he get better???

Thank you all for your delineations.
 

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MarinaFFF

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If I consider your father in law 4th house (because you love him as your own father) and he is in detriment (sick) in Capricorn .
Whatever that sickness is, what harms your father is hidden (sickness unknown) in the 12th house. Than the sickness get him in his hold when he enters the sign Saturn rules. That’s not very good of course.

But this Is a whole house system and very limited in given a prognosis. You need the cast the chart again (same date / time / place as this chart but with Regiomontanus house system.
 

anjelik

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If I consider your father in law 4th house (because you love him as your own father) and he is in detriment (sick) in Capricorn .
Whatever that sickness is, what harms your father is hidden (sickness unknown) in the 12th house. Than the sickness get him in his hold when he enters the sign Saturn rules. That’s not very good of course.

But this Is a whole house system and very limited in given a prognosis. You need the cast the chart again (same date / time / place as this chart but with Regiomontanus house system.
Thank you very much. I've attached a copy of the question in Regiomontanus for you. I thought based on the Capricorn moon and the 4th house ruling my husband's 10th that it didn't look great.

For some backstory, my FIL has a colonoscopy scheduled in 2-3 weeks (waiting for the appointment), also waiting an appointment for lesions on his spleen, nodules on his oesophagus and thyroid. He has had a cough and runs a low-grade temperature since October (and has been on antibiotics 4x). He has lost his hearing since around June. There is just a lot going on and I am thinking the colon/bowel might be the root of everything. I went to his consultation appointment yesterday and apparently had has been taking a laxative prescribed to him since June and he only opens his bowels about 3x a week. I think based on that there might be a blockage. I also found out that his brother had bowel cancer in his 70s and his sister had polyps on hers at one point, though non-cancerous. I am just trying to mentally prepare myself for the worst since my husband likes to bury his head in the sand.

Edit: his colonoscopy has been arranged for next Wednesday (Feb 21st). I am a little dubious as to why they have arranged it so quickly as this is the NHS and seems suspicious that they might realise they need to act quicker.
 

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MarinaFFF

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Okay, that information is very useful, meaning I was on the right track with given your FIL the 4th house in the sign Cancer ruled by the Moon.
According to Richard’s Saunders is Luna (Moon) the natural planet of bowels, and Cancer and 4th house the ruler of Spleen.
Saturn is the natural planet of the Spleen.
Also the 6th house and Virgo rules the bowels. That makes sense also in the chart Virgo is intercepted in 6th house.
I am thinking the colon/bowel might be the root of everything.
That might be very well possible, the chart shows your FIL as Moon the natural planet of bowels, so that has to be important.
The Moon (cold and moist) is in a dry and cold sign, that’s the reason he became sick according to Saunders.
The deeper cause is the dispositor of Capricorn Saturn, Saturn (dry and cold) is the hidden disease in a very cold and moist sign of the nature of the Water, flegmatick, and is more cold than Cancer and Scorpio, and the moistest of all the signs.

Saturn in the first 12 degrees of Pisces, is moist in the 3th degree, and cold in the 4th degree (highest degree of sickness) ingendring diseases cold and moist, of much tough and stinking Flegm mixed with Melancholy.
The 3th and 4th degree are serious health problems, but it don’t mean it’s incurable.

The extremely cold nature of the Pisces sign, Saturn and the Moon explain his low grade temperature and the very watery sign Pisces the cough.
Saturn is also a very slow planet, not a lot of movement to warm up in temperature and decrease the water.
But Saturn is also in a double body sign, meaning that this disease and his health condition can go worse or better.

If we look to the Moon , what he’s going to do, than we see he is going to conjunct with Venus.
Venus is also cold and moist of nature, so your FIL will still face some challenges of the same nature.

I can’t tell you if this is Cancer.
But with the Moon in detriment and all the cold and moist in the 3th and 4th degree it isn’t good.
Also the Moon will stay for long time under the rulership of Saturn, first in the sign Capricorn and later in AQ.
The only positive thing is the treatment, his turned 10th house is in Aries in very tight conjunction with North Node, with Mars as ruler (dry hot and in medical astrology Mars is hotter than the Sun). That’s exactly what your FIL need, I think it could be chemotherapy .

Overall it doesn’t looks very positive, but reading this kind of medical astrology charts is a total different level of astrology.
I don’t have that knowledge and experience.

I wish you and your family the best.
It’s not easy to be the strongest and to “carry” your FIL and your husband who can’t handle the situation and I hope you have support from family and friends.
 

anjelik

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Okay, that information is very useful, meaning I was on the right track with given your FIL the 4th house in the sign Cancer ruled by the Moon.
According to Richard’s Saunders is Luna (Moon) the natural planet of bowels, and Cancer and 4th house the ruler of Spleen.
Saturn is the natural planet of the Spleen.
Also the 6th house and Virgo rules the bowels. That makes sense also in the chart Virgo is intercepted in 6th house.

That might be very well possible, the chart shows your FIL as Moon the natural planet of bowels, so that has to be important.
The Moon (cold and moist) is in a dry and cold sign, that’s the reason he became sick according to Saunders.
The deeper cause is the dispositor of Capricorn Saturn, Saturn (dry and cold) is the hidden disease in a very cold and moist sign of the nature of the Water, flegmatick, and is more cold than Cancer and Scorpio, and the moistest of all the signs.

Saturn in the first 12 degrees of Pisces, is moist in the 3th degree, and cold in the 4th degree (highest degree of sickness) ingendring diseases cold and moist, of much tough and stinking Flegm mixed with Melancholy.
The 3th and 4th degree are serious health problems, but it don’t mean it’s incurable.

The extremely cold nature of the Pisces sign, Saturn and the Moon explain his low grade temperature and the very watery sign Pisces the cough.
Saturn is also a very slow planet, not a lot of movement to warm up in temperature and decrease the water.
But Saturn is also in a double body sign, meaning that this disease and his health condition can go worse or better.

If we look to the Moon , what he’s going to do, than we see he is going to conjunct with Venus.
Venus is also cold and moist of nature, so your FIL will still face some challenges of the same nature.

I can’t tell you if this is Cancer.
But with the Moon in detriment and all the cold and moist in the 3th and 4th degree it isn’t good.
Also the Moon will stay for long time under the rulership of Saturn, first in the sign Capricorn and later in AQ.
The only positive thing is the treatment, his turned 10th house is in Aries in very tight conjunction with North Node, with Mars as ruler (dry hot and in medical astrology Mars is hotter than the Sun). That’s exactly what your FIL need, I think it could be chemotherapy .

Overall it doesn’t looks very positive, but reading this kind of medical astrology charts is a total different level of astrology.
I don’t have that knowledge and experience.

I wish you and your family the best.
It’s not easy to be the strongest and to “carry” your FIL and your husband who can’t handle the situation and I hope you have support from family and friends.
Thank you very much for taking the time to reply. I’m not feeling very good about the quality of care he is receiving either. He had a sputum test done for his cough and it came back positive for infection so he was prescribed a 5th round of antibiotics. He received the notification via text from the doctor and no one has even explained to him what the infection is. I’m going to walk into the doctor’s office tomorrow when they open and make a fuss. Also he lost his hearing quite suddenly in June and hearing aids don’t help. He said he is constantly blowing his nose so I know this is linked to his cough. It has to be since they’re all connected! It’s mind blowing that the doctors can’t/wont piece this all together. Every American thinks they want socialized healthcare until they experience it first hand. I have always had my opinions on the NHS but this is truly diabolical. Also, I hope the infection he has isn’t in his blood stream. If he dies from sepsis I will be furious. Two people in my husband’s family died from sepsis whilst being in the hospital for other things. Truly sad.

Anyway, thank you for your help and if anyone else wants to chime in, please do.
 

Rhys

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I just happened upon your chart dated from 7 February. Out of curiosity I turned the chat to the radical tenth house (father of your husband), to see what that would look like. Here is the chart:

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We get similar overall results from this chart to what MarinaFFF mentioned turning the chart to H4. The Moon ruling turned H7 (the treating doctor) is in detriment, and the house showing the treatment (turned H10) has the unfortunate south node in it. So it seems your concerns were well founded, astrologically speaking.

You mentioned that your FIL's colonoscopy is today (21 Feb). Do let us know what happened when you have the chance.
 

anjelik

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I just happened upon your chart dated from 7 February. Out of curiosity I turned the chat to the radical tenth house (father of your husband), to see what that would look like. Here is the chart:

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We get similar overall results from this chart to what MarinaFFF mentioned turning the chart to H4. The Moon ruling turned H7 (the treating doctor) is in detriment, and the house showing the treatment (turned H10) has the unfortunate south node in it. So it seems your concerns were well founded, astrologically speaking.

You mentioned that your FIL's colonoscopy is today (21 Feb). Do let us know what happened when you have the chance.
Thank you for your response. My FIL had his colonoscopy and came back with two polyps that are being biopsied but the doctor seems to feel strongly they aren’t cancerous (but checking anyway). However, he still needs to have a scan of his spleen and thyroid, his ears/hearing sorted and deal with whatever infection is causing his cough. Just want to get to the bottom of things. I actually held back tears of relief after the results yesterday though.
 

Rhys

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My FIL had his colonoscopy and came back with two polyps that are being biopsied but the doctor seems to feel strongly they aren’t cancerous (but checking anyway). However, he still needs to have a scan of his spleen and thyroid, his ears/hearing sorted and deal with whatever infection is causing his cough. Just want to get to the bottom of things. I actually held back tears of relief after the results yesterday though.
What a relief! I'll look at the original chart more carefully and let you know if I come up with anything interesting. Btw, did you change the original doctor?
 

anjelik

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What a relief! I'll look at the original chart more carefully and let you know if I come up with anything interesting. Btw, did you change the original doctor?
Yes, a big relief. He is such a lovely and wonderful man and grandfather. I moved to England from the US almost 9 years ago and he is the closest thing I have to a father here.

He has been bounced around to several doctors. I am not sure if you know how the NHS works, but you don’t necessarily have the same doctor dealing with your issues because it depends on capacity and availability. I have requested a meeting with the head of the practice and he is due to call me tomorrow. So, to answer your question, yes he has switched doctors. Can you see that in the chart??
 

anjelik

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I spoke with the head of the practice today about everything and asked them to tell us exactly what the infection is that came back positive on the sputum test. Apparently it is h. Influenzae and from what I’m reading it’s incredibly resistant to antibiotics. My husband is away on a ski trip at the moment so I don’t want to worry him but it doesn’t sound great. He’s been referred to a respiratory specialist now. I’m just wondering if he is going to end up hospitalized. Maybe I should cast a chart for this (12:33 GMT). I’ll do it later, have to take my kids for a playdate now.
 

Rhys

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I spoke with the head of the practice today about everything and asked them to tell us exactly what the infection is that came back positive on the sputum test. Apparently it is h. Influenzae and from what I’m reading it’s incredibly resistant to antibiotics. My husband is away on a ski trip at the moment so I don’t want to worry him but it doesn’t sound great. He’s been referred to a respiratory specialist now. I’m just wondering if he is going to end up hospitalized. Maybe I should cast a chart for this (12:33 GMT). I’ll do it later, have to take my kids for a playdate now.
Just seeing this now, thanks for the update. I'll look at the charts again and respond tomorrow. (Sunday)
 

Rhys

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So, to answer your question, yes he has switched doctors. Can you see that in the chart??
If we turn the chart to your FIL being the father of your husband, i.e. turning the radical tenth house (4th house (father) from the seventh house (partner)), this would make the signifier of your FIL Capricorn, ruled by Saturn (see the turned chart I cast above). The original treating doctor in the turned chart would be represented by the turned seventh house, which has Cancer on the cusp, so it is ruled by the Moon, which we find emplaced in Capricorn in the first turned house of your FIL.

The Moon is Capricorn is afflicted in Capricorn (in detriment). This means the original doctor wasn't very good, which is why I advised getting a second opinion.
I'm glad to hear you've changed doctors. The tenth house in the turned chart represents the treatment the original doctor proposed. The turned tenth house is ruled by a weak Venus and the presence of the south node in H10 is worrying, so hopefully the diagnosis and treatment has been changed by this time.

Please give us a heads up if you cast another chart. We'll be sending good vibes your way.
 
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