# Does he think i lied him

#### margal

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Hi, i am sorry for putting new question soo soon, but i have been thinking, why my friend acts like he hates me and why is he angy on me. I come to only logical explanation. He could think that i lied to him. So i asked horary question, and i got this chart. Ascendant is Sagittarius and Jupiter(me) is in my 3th house in Pisces in his place. seventh house is in Gemini, and his ruler Mercury(him) is in my 9th house in virgo in his place too. Mercury is in opposition to Jupiter.Moon my coruler is in my 4th house in taurus and makes opposition to Mars in Scorpio. Sun, his coruler is in my 9th house and makes conjuction to saturn in Libra.Moon is in place of Mars detr. and makes opposition to him. Chart shows that we have a fight, i can see that. Mercury, also representing lies is his ruler and is in his 3th house,does that mean that he thinks i lied to him. Please help

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#### Serendipity

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I would refer back to previous charts you created.

#### misskitty

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I concur. When people create this many charts on the same situation, and no it does not matter if the question is slightly different each time, you may as well shake a Magic 8 Ball because it is going to be just as acurate.

#### dr. farr

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(Following is not in accordance with standard horary practice and uses whole sign house format)

I"ll shake the Walis Magic 8 Ball and see what comes out!

-taking the 7th house as "him" = Gemini = Mercury = "yes" (he does think querent lied to him) according to the 8 Ball
-taking, instead, the 5th from the 7th (his thoughts involving romantic-related issues vis-a-vis the querent) = Libra = Venus = "yes" (again) by the 8 Ball
-taking the 1st house as representing quesited's thoughts/opinions regarding the querent in general (7th from the 7th) = Sagittarius = Jupiter = another "yes" according to this Magic 8 Ball...

#### SagiCap

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-taking the 7th house as "him" = Gemini = Mercury = "yes" (he does think querent lied to him) according to the 8 Ball

I understand Merc. is an affirmative and represents him/signifactor. But why does Magic 8 Ball say that quality reflects on the answer to the question?Shouldn't it reflect on his/signifactor and state only? I hope this question makes sense. Please let me know.

#### dr. farr

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Remember in the experimental 8 Ball method there is not specific planetary or even sign evaluation at all! It is a purely mechnical method: if the significator sign is ruled by a "benefic" (sun, mercury, venus, jupiter) the 8 Ball says "yes" (nothing else is considered); if that sign is ruled by a "malefic" (saturn, mars) OR if the south node is in that sign (regardless of planetary ruler) the 8 Ball says "No" (if the signifying sign is Cancer, ruled by the Moon, the answer is 'maybe'-however, at the present time the Dragon's Tail is in Cancer so whenever Cancer is signifying sign the answer is "No" according to 8 Ball "rules") So in experimenting with the 8 Ball even the most rudimentary interpretive methods of horary are disregarded.

This purely mechanical, ultra-simplistic technique is the main reason why I never tested it out in the many years I have known about this method: it just seemed too simple-when compared with other horary methods-to "work". How could something so simple be reliable and yield accurate results above chance, in a field so difficult as that of horary? So I never even thought to test such a simplistic method. A few months ago, here on AW, I decided to put it to the test (mostly by known result horaries posted in the horary forums) fully expecting to quickly be shown that its results are no better than chance-my name for it "Magic 8 Ball"-was given to it as a ridiculing name! (like the toy magic 8 balls you can buy in novelty stores) So far, however, I have been rather shocked in the results of the running-account I have been keeping of results (22 correct, 4 wrong, known-result predictions-that's 84% accuracy SO FAR) However, I STILL think that over a larger sample of cases this method will fall to chance (50/50) because I continue to resist the idea that horary could be done, accurately (even at a much lower accuracy rate like 66%) by such a child's play simplistic method like the Magic 8 Ball.

But I am not a dogmatist-experiment, when it can be done (as it can here) shows what's likely and reliable, and what isn't so likely or reliable. So I shall be continuing to experiment with the 8 Ball-by the time I have recorded its accuracy through 100 known result horaries, publicly posted here on AW, I'll see what the results are-I don't think I'll be startled by the results (becuase I still thing they'll fall to 50/50), but who knows?

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#### margal

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Thank you dr. farr

#### tikana

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Arh Wait

if he is your friend then he is 11th house

Moon just passed Mars with oppisiton..
did you guys get into a fight?
Jupiter and Mars are in yucky reception HOWEVER
Jupiter will re-enter Aries where Mars will be more comfortable.
I'd say
YEAH he thinks you are lying
but because Jupiter is retro, you will be doing some explaining
but by then I think you will lose some respect for him quite honestly .. and eventually pull away from him
because mars still hangs in Scorpio and does not cross into Sag to have mutual reception by sign.

outcome house would be 4th from 11th which is 2nd house which is combusted in cadent house.

not amused at all
keep us posted

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#### margal

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Well no, his not my 11th house, because we were not that sort of friends, more like in romantic way.We were close to dating and that we had a fight. I never got reasonably explenation of this fight, so that the only thing i have come to is that he thinks that i lied him.

#### tikana

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okay if you didnt go on a date, then he is your 11thif you consider him as a friend he is 11thif you went ou ton a date, then he is 7theither way ... he does think you lied to himT

#### misskitty

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I"ll shake the Walis Magic 8 Ball and see what comes out!

That wasn't a slight against you dr. farr, I promise.

#### dr. farr

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That wasn't a slight against you dr. farr, I promise.

Never even thought it might be! No problem! As I mentioned in an earlier post, the reason I gave the experimental horary method the name Magic 8 Ball is because, as you know, that's what we (involved in divination) call something that just gives a yes or no answer, like the toy magic 8 ball sold at the joke and novelty shops. None of us consider those toys to be a reliable divination device, and so we also give that expression (magic 8 ball) to (apparently) dubious methods of divination. Again, for that same reason, I gave the Magic 8 Ball name to this experimental (though ancient) horary method-never thought it even MIGHT be valid. But, as I have posted elsewhere, in the test run here on AW with known result horaries using the 8 Ball, the results so far have shocked me (23 correct, and only 4 incorrect 8 Ball predicitions) I still think this is just a run of luck for the 8 Ball, and that with more cases it will fall to chance (50/50), like the toy magic 8 balls at the novetly stores. But who knows? I'll have a better idea when the experiment has reached 100 known result horaries: if the Magic 8 Ball still holds well above chance when tested against that many cases, I will be completely floored (how could even yes/no horary be that simple?) But, as of now, I remain skeptical of this happening.

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