I am ignorant to Astrology, but trying to learn now. I have a chart attached, and search for everyone's knowledge on what it means. I am in distance relationship for nearly a year, and we seldom see each other. We have contacts and seldom see each other cos I am in Asia and he is Italy ( sometimes I doubt we are even in a relationship or not). He is coming to visit me 2 weeks later, and I wonder if he loves me or only a friend he is a bit fond of. He required me to join his life in Italy, however, it is not a stage I can decide I would give up my life here in China to join him...Anyway, I just want to know if he really loves me or not...
Does he love me?
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ALST123
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Hi,
I couldn't read your chart, so I posted my own here for you.
In this chart, you are signified by Mercury because Mercury rules Gemini and Gemini is on the Ascendent. The man you are interested in is Jupiter because Jupiter rules Sagittarius and Sagittarius is on the Descendent.
Mercury (you) is in House 5, at 13 degrees Libra. This means that you (Mercury) are interested in dating this man (House 5), and starting some kind of partnership (Libra). You are in term of Jupiter/the man (and so are thinking in romantic terms about him). You are in face of, and ruled by Saturn during the day, which could mean that you are feeling a bit sad. Saturn also rules long distance travel here (house 9), so this means you are contemplating travelling to see him.
Jupiter (him) is in House 8, at 15 degrees Capricorn. Jupiter is in fall in Capricorn, meaning that the man is not in a good position to have a relationship with you at the moment. Jupiter is in its own term in Capricorn, so he appears to be thinking about his own circumstances at the moment rather than about romance. Jupiter is in face of Mars. Mars rules House 11 (friendship) and House 6 (daily routine) in this chart. This may mean he wants you as just a friend, or it may mean his is just going about his daily business at the moment. Jupiter is ruled by Venus (this could be you) during the day and the Moon (you) at night. So perhaps this means he is thinking about you, but is caught up in his daily business where he lives.
Now, the aspects the moon makes in a chart can tell you about events which will help/hinder your question. The moon will sextile Mars in 5 somethings. Sextiles mean "opportunity". This could mean you (Moon) will have an opportunity (sextile) to see him (Mars) or perhaps start a relationship with him. This could refer to the trip you are planning to take to see him.
The moon (you) is also applying to a trine with Jupiter (him). This a really good sign that the answer is "yes" to your question. The moon (you) will then conjunct Saturn (long distance travel/emmigration) in 9 somethings. Perhaps this means you will see him again.
But as a last aspect, the Moon opposes Uranus (upheaval). This could mean that you experience some set backs in your relationship with this man.
Those are my thoughts, I hope things work out for you.
Thanks,
Ax.
archergirl
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The Moon reaches Mars before it gets to Jupiter, so the trine does not perfect without interference. The Moon and Jupiter, although applying to trine, receive each other negatively from signs of detriment. This may represent trouble of some sort; perhaps a mutual mistrust of the other's motives.
The Moon and Mars both apply to Jupiter; Mars rules the 6th and 11th. It seems to me that in the context of this question, a friendship might be the main emphasis, especially from his point of view: Jupiter in Capricorn exalts Mars, and Mercury in Libra is in Mars' detriment: he 'likes' friendship; she doesn't.
Mercury applies to square Jupiter. I don't see 'love' as being necessarily on the cards. There seems to be some differences in perspective here. Mercury is in the house of pleasure, which doesn't indicate a steady romance so much as a fling; and Jupiter for whatever reason in placed in the dark 8th. This is a 'hidden' house, so either he is 'hiding' something, or something is being 'hidden' from him. The querent's feelings?
In any case, I don't see an easy ride here.
AG
Narcissus
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archergirl said:
Hi there AG
I believe this could also mean what she wants is conflicting with what he wants. Obviously, she wants love (5th) while what he is thinking right now could be wanting as much wealth as possible (2nd of him). He puts her in his 11th house means that he feels comfortable being "friend" with her rather than committing to an actual relationship. He might prefer to maintain the current situation.
Moon is on the 4th, maybe she is so attached to her hometown or there are something that she is worrying about her family, thus makes her not willing to leave for him no matter how much she loves him?
She puts him on her 8th, despite the "secretive" and uneasy feeling towards him, 8th also means sex and death, maybe she is worrying that he is thinking more on sex rather than love?
Correct me if I am wrong
archergirl
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I will.
The 8th house does not represent sex.
This is an erroneous modern take on the 8th house, but has no place in horary. The 8th will only have to do with death, in a question about illness or death; otherwise it is a house that simply signifies anguish and fear. It is utterly dark and should not be associated with the pleasures of sex!The 5th house is everything sex: from thoughts of sex to the sex act, right through to reproducing and having a baby; so a significator here would indicate thoughts about sex, rather than 'love'. The focus here is on 'pleasure' and its products, rather than the responsibilities and drudgery of a commitment.
Perhaps, but a chart usually shows life from the querent's perspective, rather than the quesited's. So the querent being placed in the 5th house means a focus on pleasure, rather than friendship. If the querent or the quesited were placed in the 11th house, that would show friendship developing, regardless of 'who' the question was about. The quesited is in the 8th; so either he is 'hiding' or it may simply mean that the querent 'can't see' him or his motives.
In any case, there is no indication in this chart that this is going to blossom easily into a 'love' relationship, whatever that means to the querent. The querent seems to be asking about more than a simple ''Does he love me?" question. With the applying square between the querent and quesited's significators, I would be tempted to give a flat 'no'; if the Moon reached Jupiter (him) and translated to Saturn (long-distance) without interference from Mars, I would be inclined to say, 'But maybe you can make it work'...
Mars is on the cusp of the 5th; with all the Mars activity (all the applications to and from) I wonder whether the querent and quesited won't have either a) a massive fight about the situation or b) several nights of passion (or maybe both
) ...a simple 'Does he love me' question usually involves strong receptions for a 'yes' answer, which we don't have. ALST123 said:
but this isn't necessarily the case. 'Term' is a weak reception, and is not a strong indicator of 'love' of the kind that abides. It means that the Jupiter person has a mild interest in the querent, but not much more.
The lack of receptions and applying square between querent and quesited actually make me wonder what the real issue is.
Cheers,
AG