DNA and our natal charts with ancestry

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DC80: I don't rely on just Ancestry, its only that I started there, as a starting point. (correction: I started at My Heritage not Ancestry) so my error!! I have at least 5 trees built. I have both paternal and maternal including Family Tree who you mentioned and I really like them btw.

Thanks for your contribution. Its not for everyone. For me it fit the bill. I'm sorry you got nothing out of it but grief. I'd like to hear from others open to DNA and family trees however as I've worked hard on this thread.

Most of these sites are connected, if loosely with the Mormon Church which makes sense. My father gave me a great deal of information about his background when I was young and it was all I had to go on, and it all matched what I found to a letter really except for the names. He'd be really surprised. They came over from Germany (his father's side) and his mother's from Ireland & Scot (all that proved true -I even found the ships and when they landed. They (his side) most of them went North of Maryland where they docked the ship, and moved either to Pennsylvania (I just wrote about Wm. Penn and my 8th grandfather) - who died after getting here in in the 1600s....northern states, but many stayed in Pennsylvania which he told me about. He told me they were Mennonites & Quakers (they were) My father was Agnostic as I am. I'm amazed at how much he was able to get from his family because he left home after WW2 started and never went back to them instead he married and never returned. So I never knew his side of the family, and that is why it was important to me. I didn't even know his mother's name only that she died when he was 5 months old (the Spanish Flu) Now I have a name and can respectfully remember her in my prayers which to me is important. She was so young.

I always was the researcher (he'd think as would my mother) the one who found his "long lost brother he accidentally by chance (if people believe in chance) ran into on a remote island during WW2 when they were both in the Navy. I found him in Texas and reunited them before they died. This was before DNA testing of course, when operators were still on the lines.

Personally for me, its been a godsend and helped me understand how our surnames changed from the European to the Anglicized. But I"m sure there are just as many who had no real luck with it too. With my Jupiter in Scorpio, I'm a real digger of information and always have been. So loving history and the history I've gotten from my research has opened up a lot for me.

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Putting seriousness and differences aside, the way I heard about geni.com another tree online you can join which can be most helpful is through an astrologer who runs the Horoscopes in DC blog Judith Cowell on Facebook known as " Stars over D.C." . She also has a Ancestry Facebook site. She first told me about them, and said she looked up "Old King Cole" to see if she was related to him, and it turned out she was. It was fun reading about this King who came down in history with this nickname.

Correction:
It must have been MyHeritage I used for DNA not Ancestry as mentioned. I hear so much advertised for the latter, I got it confused. This site is good too to use, but it's more like a forum where you interact with others - , but there are many there who help others once you download the GEDCOM you receive with your DNA: called "WikiTree" totally different from the other Tree sites., but as with the others, you must start a tree there too before they can help. They have G 2 G which is professional Genealogists helping out with questions once you do what the criteria standard requires.
What the link is saying, is they (Wiki-Tree) takes those relatives I have from my maternal side dna -and through the help of using verified cousins up to 3 generations who added their GEDCOM data to the site, then help each other unwittingly perhaps, even mine since I'm a member there. Not perfect, but suits me just fine. Some want perfect, some take fine in life. I'm a "fine" type. IF I had the time, the money, the astrological sign of Virgo in my natal chart (which I don't have, perhaps I would be very different about this and "fine" wouldn't be good enough for me either. Each must choose for themselves, but it does help to have as much background info as possible, even if (like me) it is from your one parent you are researching as with my father's side. My mother's side I already knew their background quite well.

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IF anyone thought the rest of my thread to be a bit odd, this might really top the cake (so to speak). But when I was in my early 30s, I had a medium in a trance state tell me that I had a past life in the civil war in the US and if my name were known to be I would recognize it. She didn't give me the name but gave me a lot of other information. I always wondered who that might be. I thought perhaps someone in the Underground RR and I still think it may be. Yet either that or the Angel of the Battlefield, is another possibility but I kind of doubt it, because even though her name is certainly well known, I cannot even stand to look at blood or change anything other than a bandaid at best., seriously. Am I so averse to blood because I saw so much of it on that battlefield as a nurse? My husband tended to all the children's cuts.

Here is the background of Clara Barton - She became the first woman in the United States (we were not exactly the United States then) until AFTER the Civil War was over - but she became the first President of the 1st Chapter of the Red Cross in New York.

I share with her as well, a deep held belief in women's rights from the 1970s when I championed the early push for them in the States. Now I see we are losing them once again, and it's very sad to see at the end of this lifetime that which we gained after so long

Clara Barton died in the State I was born in.

Clara Barton (1821-1912)

"...was a pioneer American teacher, nurse, and humanitarian. She is best remembered for organizing the American Red Cross..."

"...Clarissa Harlowe Barton was born on December 25, 1821, in Oxford, Massachusetts, to Stephen and Sarah Barton. She was the youngest of five children. Clara's father was a farmer and horse breeder (who also served as a captain in the French and Indian Wars), while her mother Sarah managed the household. The two later helped found the first Universalist Church in Oxford..."

"...On April 21, 1861, nine days after the start of the Civil War, Barton tended to wounded Massachusetts soldiers quartered in the U.S. Senate chamber in Washington..."

"...In 1864 she was appointed by Union General Benjamin Butler as the "lady in charge" of the hospitals at the front of the Army of the James..."

"...She met Susan B. Anthony and began a long association with the woman's suffrage movement..."

"..In 1869, during her trip to Geneva, Switzerland, Barton was introduced to the Red Cross and Henry Dunant's book A Memory of Solferino, which called for the formation of national societies to provide relief voluntarily on a neutral basis..."

"...Barton ... became President of the American branch of the society, which was founded on May 21, 1881 in Dansville, N.Y.."

".... Although not formally a member of the Universalist Church of America, in a 1905 letter to the widow of Carl Norman Thrasher, she identified herself with her parents' church as a "Universalist”.."

"...In 1975, Clara Barton National Historic Site was established as a unit of the National Park Service at Barton's Glen Echo, Maryland home, where she spent the last 15 years of her life...

 

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This link gives us not only a time of birth Natal Chart, confirmed by Lois Rodden, but gives the type/elements, aspects (how many squares, trines, etc) if you scroll down to see all the info:

Astrology birth chart for Clara Barton

Astrology birth chart for Clara Barton, born at December 25, 1821 at 11:52 AM.

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Note: Clara Barton was born on Christmas Day, yet appears to have been Agnostic but unwilling to use that word then (imo) - So she said Univeralist. My Family Tree shows her maternal Grandfather was a Continental Army Officer and also a Reverend in the Church. Probably the Universalist Church. Thats ironic, being born on Christmas Day, must have meant so much to her parents and grandparents.

Because of the potential of being related in a past life I think I'll do a synastry chart. I see that most of her planets are in Capricorn (as are mine) and we share some other planets in signs. She has only 1 planet in Pisces (all that giving to others as a humanitarian ) - and that was her Pluto! Certainly interesting considering Astrologers didn't know about Pluto when she was born.

Pluto takes on some importance other than being in Pisces - Pluto and Chiron are rising in her natal chart -

 

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Venus in Aquarius sextile Jupiter in Aries with 0 deg. orb.
Uranus, Sun, Neptune, all square Chiron (the inner wound - the warrior)


The Cardinal mode is dominant among the inner planets
The Earth element is dominant among the inner planets
The moon was a waxing crescent moon
Venus is in 10 aspects
The inner planets do not fall in a Water sign
Most of the inner planets are located in the top hemisphere
The chart is a Bucket shape



Founder of the American Red Cross (Angel of the Battlefield). Clara Barton was born on Christmas Day on a farm near Oxford, Massachusetts. She was a teacher and a government worker before heading off to minister the wounds of soldiers, often on bloody civil war battlefields. Barton was so close to the front lines at the Battle of Sharpsburg that a bullet passed through her clothes and killed the wounded soldier she was tending. She came into the missing soldiers business when a prisoner of war brought her a list of dead soldiers from the legendary Andersonville Confederate prison camp in Georgia. Nearly 13,000 of 45,000 confined Union soldiers died of disease, filth, starvation and exposure. Thanks to her work, Barton was able to return to Andersonville and mark the graves of thousands of soldiers, She later published a list of their names. Once people realized she had found dead soldiers, she started receiving thousands of letters from mothers and daughters. As head of the missing persons office, Barton became the first woman to run a government bureau, receiving $15,000 in congressional appropriations and working with her own staff. She went to Europe and visited Switzerland. A group of men called on her and told of an organization called the International Red Cross Committee. Each member wore a badge - a red cross on a white background. On the battlefield the men who wore it were always welcome. Clara Barton came back to the United States and began work toward organization of an American Red Cross. The government agreed to permit such an organization. Barton was the first president and served as its head for twenty-two years. Clara Barton's life finally came to an end when she reached the age of ninety-one. (Bio by John R. Bacak)
At the end of the war, she ran the Office of Missing Soldiers to identify and locate soldiers that were killed or missing in action. Thanks to Barton’s efforts, the office was able to locate over 22,000 missing soldiers.


During the Franco-Prussian War in 1870, she worked for the International Red Cross behind German lines. After the war, she returned to the U.S. and campaigned for the establishment of an American Red Cross organization which could provide emergency response in the event of crisis from war or natural disasters. Barton served as the American Red Cross’ first president and held the title for 23 years.


Barton died on April 12, 1912 at the age of 90.

Profile of the Day: Clara Barton

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The unique help of the Genealogist run site - Wiki-Tree:

HelpNA Ancestor Confirmation Aid​

Search WikiTree's help pages:
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The DNA Ancestor Confirmation Aid (ACA) shows you if any of your ancestors have other descendants who have taken DNA tests for genealogy that may be useful for confirming your family tree.

Contents​ [hide] 1 What Does It Do? 2 Confirmation 2.1 Confirmation with autosomal tests 3 Finding ACAs

What Does It Do?​

Your ACA [example] shows you five generations of your tree: up to 62 ancestors. (To see more, click to an ACA that starts further up your tree.)

Each of the 62 ancestors on the ACA has a section that displays all the existing Y-chromosome, mitochondrial, and autosomal DNA tests that are likely to be relevant for confirming the father and mother of each specific individual.

Tests are connected using the methods explained here.

Scientifically confirming relationships is not easy, especially for autosomal tests. (See the section below and DNA Confirmation.) The ACA makes it a little bit easier by showing you the tests that may be useful and by:

• Providing direct comparison links to GEDmatch.
• Showing you which relationships have already been confirmed.
• Guiding you in finding additional test-takers.
• Linking to relevant resources and ways to get personal help. (This is confusing stuff for everyone!)

It is recommended that you check your ACA periodically, even if you haven't taken a test yourself. You never know when a distant cousin will enter a test that helps confirm one of your ancestors. Y-chromosome and mitochondrial DNA tests can attach to very distant cousins — especially when ancestry is deep and well-connected — so the connections can be completely unexpected.

These same test connections are shown on the ancestors' profiles, but the ACA saves you from having to periodically check each one of your ancestors' profiles to see if new tests have been added. Since DNA test connections aren't tracked in activity feeds there is no other way to be alerted when someone adds a test or edits a relationship that ends up connecting to an ancestor.

 

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note: NONE OF THE OTHER TREE SITES OTHER THAN WIKI-TREE GIVES YOU THIS ADVANTAGE - OR ARE SET UP FOR IT:

Confirmation​

Scan down the page looking for multiple tests for the same ancestor. If there are multiple tests there may be an opportunity to confirm part of your family tree.

Note that having two tests connected to a person does not necessarily mean their father or mother can be confirmed.

Y-chromosome and mitochondrial tests are connected to profiles all the way up to the test-taker's earliest-known ancestor (EKA) but confirmation is only relevant to the most-recent common ancestor (MRCA) of the test-takers. For example, if two brothers have taken yDNA tests, both tests will appear on their father's profile, their paternal grandfather's profile, their great-grandfather's profile, etc. But comparing these two tests will only confirm the father, not the grandfather, great-grandfather, etc.

Confirmation with autosomal tests​

Y-chromosome and mitochondrial DNA tests are easier to use for confirmation than autosomal tests, such as the 23andMe test, AncestryDNA, and Family Tree DNA's Family Finder.

Autosomal DNA testing can be really exciting and useful for genealogists. A test is likely to provide you with leads to connect with hundreds of living cousins. However, confirming a relationship to common ancestors with these cousins is not simple, unless it's a third cousin or closer.

Confirming family relationships beyond third cousins through autosomal DNA testing requires many people with known relationships to be tested. The results of all these tests can be analyzed to see where segments of DNA came from. Through a careful process of triangulation, people with matching segments can then be fitted onto a family tree. See DNA Confirmation and Triangulation for more on this.

Moreover, comparing autosomal results cannot even be used to reject family relationships unless the family member is closer than a second cousin. Because of the random nature of autosomal DNA inheritance — every child inherits a random mix of DNA from their father and mother — 10% of third cousins don't share any segments. Sometimes, very rarely, even second cousins don't share any segments. (Thank you, Dr. Tim Janzen, for help on this section.)

Note that having two tests connected to a person does not necessarily mean their father or mother can be confirmed.

Y-chromosome and mitochondrial tests are connected to profiles all the way up to the test-taker's earliest-known ancestor (EKA) but confirmation is only relevant to the most-recent common ancestor (MRCA) of the test-takers. For example, if two brothers have taken yDNA tests, both tests will appear on their father's profile, their paternal grandfather's profile, their great-grandfather's profile, etc. But comparing these two tests will only confirm the father, not the grandfather, great-grandfather, etc.

Confirmation with autosomal tests​

Y-chromosome and mitochondrial DNA tests are easier to use for confirmation than autosomal tests, such as the 23andMe test, AncestryDNA, and Family Tree DNA's Family Finder.

Autosomal DNA testing can be really exciting and useful for genealogists. A test is likely to provide you with leads to connect with hundreds of living cousins. However, confirming a relationship to common ancestors with these cousins is not simple, unless it's a third cousin or closer.

Confirming family relationships beyond third cousins through autosomal DNA testing requires many people with known relationships to be tested. The results of all these tests can be analyzed to see where segments of DNA came from. Through a careful process of triangulation, people with matching segments can then be fitted onto a family tree. See DNA Confirmation and Triangulation for more on this.

Moreover, comparing autosomal results cannot even be used to reject family relationships unless the family member is closer than a second cousin. Because of the random nature of autosomal DNA inheritance — every child inherits a random mix of DNA from their father and mother — 10% of third cousins don't share any segments. Sometimes, very rarely, even second cousins don't share any segments. (Thank you, Dr. Tim Janzen, for help on this section.)

See DNA Confirmation for detailed explanations and help.

Finding ACAs​

Your ACA is accessible through the "DNA Confirmation" link in the "My WikiTree" pull-down menu near the top of this page.

The ACA works for any WikiTree profile with a public family tree. To access someone else's ACA, click to their DNA Tests page ("DNA" in the pull-down menu that starts with their ID at the top of their profile) and look for the "DNA Confirmation" button.

(remember the caveat - nothing is 100% but they get very close)

 

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IF there is something to it, (the past life connection), I'd look to the death asteroids that are shown in the natal chart when she died - or picked up by the soul.
I'd look to the Moon's placement and the Nodes. I'd look to Jupiter (the spiritual planet)
I'd look to the MC where I have Aries - and her ASC which was Chiron & Pluto rising - (per EC & Tad Mann) regarding the MC and the incoming soul)

 

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Before being de-railed, I wanted to mention that each of the Tree sites I mentioned are slightly different with different capabilities.
This one for example gives you various trees you can print or keep and colors to choose from - and it's called "Family Search"

Example and video with tips:

FamilySearch Family Tree

 

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To the far left is a graph showing the various countries my ancestors are from. I always knew my mother's side of the family, after all we lived with my maternal French grandmother and grandfather for many years when I was small, and then we lived close by, so close I could walk there each day and did. I was very close to her so she'd give me a lot of information, names which I had written down already and helped me in building the tree. I even had the names of the people her siblings married - and there were 12 siblings. As the story goes, in "those" days; her father was a farmer and since some children would die young which was the norm, they had larger families.
The same must have been true for my Indian grandfather because he too had about 12 children in the family.
They met crossing paths while walking to school - she walking on one side of the street in Quebec, and he on the other in his band uniform which she though extremely impressive and handsome.
She was a Scorpio Sun, Libra Moon and he a Virgo Sun. Sadly in "those days" her parents (Roman Catholics) did not like the idea of inter-marriage and told her they would not accept him. I can't imagine saying that to a Scorpio young woman - fixed in her ways and so she didn't see her family for many years, even up to when they died. Since now I had their dates of death (as well as birth dates and where they were born because you can find many legal papers too from these sites) I was surprised she didn't go to her father's funeral in 1955 when she had an 8 year old to keep up with, so perhaps that is why. Scorpios often do not forgive or forget having very long memories.

She did however, keep in touch and visited some of her closest siblings. So we got to know some of the 2nd cousins.

This is the French side and Indian side of the family --- Its only when I rec'd the DNA results from "My Heritage" was I able to answer some other questions about the family I didn't know. Some of it I shared here, such as the infamous kidnapping by the Indian of the English settler's son. I must admit, that one was fascinating to read about especially because there is a book online written by a neighbor and his biography who was friends with the family who lost their son to the Indian tribe. The boy did not want to go home and so he stayed with them and was treated exceptionally well. This is where the tree takes a "twist" for me, and I need to work harder on it at that point.

When I rec'd the DNA results, I was really only looking for the name of my lost paternal grandmother as my father was an orphan or so I thought. I rec'd much more than a name. From links to "Find a Grave" to seeing where, when, and photos they were buried and interred in some cases. It didn't surprise me to see the ones from Germany or Ireland or even a few in Scotland, but I was floored when the test put the bulk of the ancestors on my father's side in England! He never mentioned England. THIS is where I meet up in my tree with Edgar CAyce's relatives, and we become cousins, I meet up with Augustine Washington - (see the tree) and so many others because of so many in England in my tree, and yes they did come over as settlers very early on. Had they (my ancestors as told to me) been born in Minnesota or California or the Midwestern States or deep Southern States rather than in the Delmarva peninsula (Del-Md.Va.) which was the port in the Atlantic where they (the ships) from England arrived and came to Maryland-Virginia, or up the coast and went to Massachusetts or Nantucket, etc. It only makes common sense to me with all these English relatives to see how easy it is to be related to these people having so much English blood I was originally totally unaware of, and coming from the same geographical locations (whether Cayce or the Washington family etc) I am a person who uses common sense believe it or not and not prone to fiction

My Heritage DNA results looked like this: (I'll tell you which part REALLY surprised me btw):

It wasn't Europe, my father gave me that much, and it wasn't France where my m.grandma's mother came from -
it was South America? ......a shock there.....Andes? MesoAmerican when I thought American Indian was FAR larger swath in my tree than this ....but of course both are of the Red Race. Edgar Cayce was asked about the Atlanteans, the first root race long before we inherited this land (we being humans and the red race) His answer was that the Indians and red race are the only ones left of the original Atlanteans genetically. 🇮🇴

 

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I do think we can look to our natal charts for hints or clues as to our heritage as well, once we know some key factors such as I now have.
Example might be my 11th house of grandparents - hopes & dreams is the only house above the horizon with a planet (Uranus) and the NN) of the Moon. If there are some chronic health issues, it likely is related to an ancestor such as in my case - but I had my grandmother tell me all about this and her mother.

 

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For those with Facebook, check this out:

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I watch cable DNA movies whereas the crimes of yesteryear are being solved today with Geneology solved with people who are adept with Mitochondrial family trees in which they use the trees starting mostly with the mothers - because most of us have put our DNA onto the joint site which shares with others- and in that way the "others" have picked up and shared what they have about their's information and it grows exponentially. It's really quite amazing how quickly those who work this amazing science to help law enforcement can solve cases now that have sat for 30-60 years in the cold case files. From the Gilgo Beach (Long Island murders) in the 1970s-80s-90s which looks now to be solved, to the California nighttime rapist. All solved thanks to this remarkable science and industrious tree experts with chalk boards who took a liking to the science at home and learned how to combine the two and started to offer their help to the police. Now it's grown from one or two talented people to companies. Of course, most of the thanks goes to the everyday people who have shared their information willingly.
The College Students who were all sleeping in their beds when murdered by another student from a different school, was found using this method. If not for this science, perhaps he'd never had been found.

Mitochondrial DNA

Mitochondrial DNA Resources

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Familial DNA as a method of identifying serial killers

Trigger warning: This post contains details of specific crimes that are related to sexual assault and murder. In 1992, an 84-year-old grandmother was brutally assaulted and killed in California. For 25 years, the mystery of her death went unsolved—and her killer unapprehended—due to the lack of...

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As I ran across a story yesterday about a young woman from New Hampshire born in the 1920s who was of the genre of songwriter-singer, compared perhaps to a Bob Dylan or others of that stature, I thought to myself, it's very possible my husband or I were related to her because of the location. Sure enough we were distant cousins -

What interested me most about her, is in some ways her life mimics ours - of course we were not as talented as she was, but my husband's family was Baptist, (he was not, he is Agnostic as she was) and her family did not approve at all of her smoking or drinking or writing music.
She was an excellent student and eventually earned a scholarship to Holyoke College. But she wasn't interested, and instead went to New York to find her calling. She managed to get an interview with Walter Conkrite - the big star on TV at the time and have her music published, but it seems things didn't move along after that in a steady pace for her, and she became very depressed not really having anyone backing her, perhaps family?
She had two brothers, and wrote often to Phil, her younger brother who saved her letters and shared them. I was interested enough to search for her chart to see if her disappearance showed any sign of suicide as he thought or just moving perhaps to Mexico to start a new life as others thought and hoped?

Connie Converse is the name she took on:

Connie Converse - Wikipedia

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husband's 9th cousin twice removed​

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Since we both have many relatives in the North from the 1800s New Hampshire, Mass, NY etc.and the beginning of the country...​

(she is my 16th cousin 6 times removed from my grandmother, so I used my husband's connection which is much shorter ) ​

Connie's father was a Baptist minister and her mother was a pianist - Her father refused to listen to her record after it was produced and died without hearing her sing. (isn't that sad?) No wonder her music was titled as it was and the songs were all so melancholy. You may want to read what she wrote in her letter to Phil, the last one he received. ​

The Haunting Story Of Connie Converse, The Singer Who Mysteriously Vanished Without A Trace In 1974

Folk musician Connie Converse was ahead of her time, and is praised by many to this day as history’s first modern singer-songwriter.

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The first chart * NATAL does not strike me as a living chart with the transits after reading about Connie's depression. The 3 Sisters, (Moira, Lachesis, Atropos all lit up near the day she was last seen doesn't bode well - then there is also Uranus conjunct her Saturn - (on a Trine she possessed) she might have been a scientist as her brother Phil - but she wasn't, or rather, it wasn't to be, she loved music and people, and travel - she told him.

Connie said she couldn't find a place for herself in this world. I feel the same way as Connie - and know how she felt. It's a very sad existance really when you simply don't fit in. BUT at least I have a wonderful husband to share my feelings with, and Connie did have her brother but it wasn't the same. She was on the road and searching, searching for herself and acceptance which she couldn't seem to locate.

Do you see tr Neptune? What do you think of it? It is rx and square her rx Mars. And how about Juno which in crime charts can indicate a stalker too. Another of the other gender.

 

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Examples of Connie's Voice and Music can be heard here:

With Rue My Heart is Laden, by Connie Converse

from the album Musicks

connieconverse.bandcamp.com

Connie Eaton Converse disappeared in 1974, leaving behind a haunting body of recorded music that would remain virtually unheard for the next 35 years... Written through the 1950's, Connie's cache of original material instantly reveals itself to be uniquely inspired and years ahead of its time

https://www.npr.org/2023/08/06/1192...gwriter-who-vanished?utm_source=pocket-newtab

One track from the new album is a song about how maybe, inevitably, we all end up alone. It's called "One by One," and it's haunting because she disappears in real life. Not only was Connie never found, but neither was her car.

 

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Per the BBC, Philip, who later became a political scientist, once described his sister Connie as both a “genius” and a “polymath” when she was young. “I do not use the terms lightly,” he said.

She disappeared around her 50th Birthday - telling Phil in that last letter she needed a "fresh Start in life":

She was also told by a physician that she needed to have a hysterectomy at age 50 which added to the depression. Her mother wanted her to travel with her to Alaska on a vacation but she told her brother in the letter, she'd rather go to the basement than to Alaska.

We'll take a look at her last known Solar Return because she disappeared around that time - age 50:

It appears to me with a Sunrise Solar Return her S/R Neptune was approaching Antares in Sagittarius (can bring about violence in the life ) which is also square her SR Mars... SR POF (using the Sunrise because we don't have the tob) is opposed to the ASC) Anything else standing out?) SR Moon quincunx Saturn & Venus in the 11th (11th of others) Perhaps she trusted another and that is why the car disappeared too.