Disappearance Nicola Bulley UK

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PussInBoots

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ElenaJ said:
If Venus is significator of Nicola, we have her in the 12th house (self-undoing? this could also be some type of imprisonment) approaching the square to mars on 3rd of walking. Mars being ruler of the 8th house.




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I don't know why Venus has been assigned to Nicola?- but in any case that would still put her in the East of the chart. Yet she was found West of where she was last seen.
I don't want to speculate as this is an open forum and the family/friends of family could be reading this and they are suffering enough.
 
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ElenaJ

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PussInBoots said:
I don't know why Venus has been assigned to Nicola?- but in any case that would still put her in the East of the chart. Yet she was found West of where she was last seen.
I don't want to speculate as this is an open forum and the family/friends of family could be reading this and they are suffering enough.
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We were following a line of reasoning, following the charts above, and it could be on or off point, we don't know yet.

Venus of the disappearance chart corresponds exactly to the new moon, which is the discovery chart. There are some other links with Venus, which is how we came to be asking why, and whether Venus should represent Nicola. It may be off base, but just trying it out.

Good point, that if we do assign Venus as the missing person, she is in the East, not where she was finally found.
A reason to not use Venus for Nicola.
Or, if we do use Venus, perhaps the body was originally not where it was found?

The autopsy will shed a lot of light on these points.
 
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ElenaJ

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PussInBoots said:
Well I'm going to go against the grain here and say that IMO she wasn't in the water all that time.

Looking at the chart for her disappearance - kindly reposted at 8.19 by ElenaJ - we have a Pisces Ascendant and therefore a Virgo Desc.

I was taught there are two ways of interpreting a chart of a missing person;

If you know the person use the 7th house ruler as significator - in this case Mercury
If you don't know them use the 1st house ruler as significator - in this case Neptune (or Jupiter using old rulerships)

All these planets are located in the Eastern side of the chart so, at the time she went missing, IMO, she was East/South East from where she was last seen.

However, she was found due West of the bench where the Police thought she fell in.

So something is wrong somewhere.
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PussInBoots, because this is basically a learning forum, I thought it might be interesting to evaluate what happens to our interpretation if we follow your suggestion of using 7th for the missing person.

In her book Simplified Horary Astrology by Ivy Goldstein-Jacobson, on questions regarding the 1st house she in fact analyses a chart for Where is the missing Girl?, by assigning her to the 7th house, and turning the chart.
She refers to the missing person as "the undesignated girl".
She writes "When the status of the person is not clear, except that he is a missing person or a fugitive from justice, he is ruled by the 7th house. "
In the case of the chart she examines, the missing person was a student from India, who it was later discover, had committed suicide.

So, looking at the event chart for the time of disappearance of Nicola, the 7th house is in virgo, ruled by mercury.
Turning the chart, we now have asteroid Nicky in the 1st house.
Mercury, her significator is in the turned chart's 5th house. (11th of the chart), the house of love and creativity.
Granted we are looking at event charts (for the time of disappearance and discovery), not horary, but I think we can still safely apply the same rules.

Mercury, Nicola, is in Capricorn, a solid earthy sign, so we have now eliminated the water element. She would be in a dry, earthy place. A field?
Mercury exactly squares Chiron, showing her state of mental suffering, and moon is in the turned 7th, so there is a potential tie in with her partner.
Again, Goldstein-Jacobson says if the ruler of the missing person is in a succedent house (in this case the 5th), the person is nearby and easy to reach.
Moon in Aries last passed over Jupiter, which shows the past events relating to the missing person.
Jupiter is in the turned 7th house, and rules the turned 3rd and 4th. Jupiter relates to thoughts and travel.
Mercury, her significator, separates from a square to Jupiter.
Moon also separates from a square to mercury.
Mercury's next aspect is a trine to Uranus, of sudden unexpected events, near the cusp of the turned 8th house.
So this does point to the missing person's death.
The turned 8th is ruled by Venus (why does she keep coming to the forefront?), approaching a square to mars in the turned 9th and deposed by mercury.
Where is mercury? Should we use the directions of the turned chart, or the radical chart?
In her delineation, Goldstein-Jacobson uses the turned chart to find the direction.
In the turned chart, mercury is north west, which corresponds to the actual discovery of the body.

The Part of Death in the turned chart is at 4 libra, exactly opposing Jupiter, the last planet that moon passed over.

So, in reality, by turning the chart we do come up with similar results, except for the important point of water or no water.
We can only wait for the autopsy results, which should tell how long the body was actually in water, if it was for the entire time, or just recently.
 
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ElenaJ

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PussInBoots said:
I don't want to speculate as this is an open forum and the family/friends of family could be reading this and they are suffering enough.
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We are obviously all upset over the finding of her body, and feel for her family and loved ones. It is a terrible tragedy, especially for the small children.
However, this is a learning forum, and similarly to other cases, even ongoing ones, I do believe we should try to evaluate the charts honestly and sincerely, without presenting wild unfounded speculations, but also freely without censoring what we write for fear of offending.
Everything should be derived from the charts, and we aren't presenting any hypothesis to the "outside world". Those who read this thread make a choice to do so.
Perhaps not everyone agrees with me, but I do feel we have been writing in a respectful and thoughtful way, and perhaps helpful.
 
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ElenaJ

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Further to assigning a house to the missing person...
Lilly's rules about missing persons (C.A. p.151) state that if the querent has no relationship to the absent party, then the 1st house, 1st ruler, and moon all signify the missing person.
Apparently not all agree on this point!
 
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ElenaJ

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Referring again to the disappearance chart, the Point of Peril is at 0 degrees sagittarius.
It falls in the 8th house, and squares exactly Venus in the 12th.

Why does Venus keep popping up?

It rules the 2nd and rules although intercepted in the 7th.
 
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ElenaJ

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Referring again to the disappearance chart, the Point of Peril is at 0 degrees sagittarius.
It falls in the 8th house, and squares exactly Venus in the 12th.

Why does Venus keep popping up?


The water level of the river on the day before the body was found, was unusually high and may have shifted the position of the body.
 
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Bridget

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ElenaJ said:
Sorry I'm not following the theme of the other party, older or not.
Can you detail this referring to the charts for me, please? Thanks. I may have missed some posts.

asteroid Nicky will square Pluto, co-ruler of the 8th, the death house.
It could also refer to 8th house as "other people's monies", mortgages. Does that bring us anywhere?
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I think at the time we were all hoping that as a body had not yet been found or retrieved we hope she was still alive.May her soul now be resting in peace.the 8th house what a delightful house death rebirth regeneration other people's money.I am still learning there is so much depth and so many layers.
 
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ElenaJ

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I seem to recall we had Nicola's partner's birth data and posted a chart here.
Is that right? I can't seem to find it anymore, I wanted to do a chart with him.
Thanks.
 
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ElenaJ

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We have two threads about this case, could the moderator combine them possibly so we can avoid confusion in posting?
Thanks
 
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ElenaJ

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Neptune continues to show its foggy head.

A journalist interviews possibly the last person to have an interchange with Nicola at 9:10 am, on the path near the river, at a deep water point.


 
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ElenaJ

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Posting here a chart for the disappearance of Nicola. If 9:10 is the time she "bumped into" the elderly man on the path, we could surmise about 2 minutes for an accident to occur. So this chart is for 9:12, with asteroids Nicky, Paul (her partner) and Salix (latin for Willow, representing her dog).

This chart is a very plausible one for a tragic accident.

We have Nicola still as Neptune/jupiter in the ascendent.
The 7th as the "open enemy" is ruled by mercury.
Willow, the dog is the 6th, ruled by moon.
Pluto, co-ruler of the 8th exactly opposes the cusp of the 6th.
South Node is on the cusp of the 8th.
Moon, the dog Willow, separates from Mercury, and from Salix asteroid of the dog. It approaches an opposition to Nicola, in the 7th.
The 3rd, which was the walk she was taking, contains mars, representing an argument.
Mars squares the ascendent and descendent.
The ascendent is in the degree of the fated Nodes, lying over the 2nd/8th axis.
Uranus in the 2nd opposes the 8th house, unexpected accident?
Moon in rebel ego aries, the video speaks of a possible altercation about Willow not being on the leash. The signs posted require dogs to be on a leash.

This could explain Nicola accidentally slipping on the muddy/slippery and steep river bank and falling in.
It would explain why Willow was running around free.
One fact left handing and not explained by this video is how then the phone came to be on the bench?

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Ricardo2

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The asteroids your using are interesting but don't really throw any light on matters. I'll try and post a chart soon with some quite surprising asteroids. The Coroners Inquest is due in a Months time but having looked at the chart with its ruler Mercury square Neptune I don't expect much clarity there, so expect the question marks to remain in tact. Meanwhile what do you think about this latest in a long line of contradictory info to the police narrative we're given.-


All slightly redolent of the McCanns.








ElenaJ said:
Posting here a chart for the disappearance of Nicola. If 9:10 is the time she "bumped into" the elderly man on the path, we could surmise about 2 minutes for an accident to occur. So this chart is for 9:12, with asteroids Nicky, Paul (her partner) and Salix (latin for Willow, representing her dog).

This chart is a very plausible one for a tragic accident.

We have Nicola still as Neptune/jupiter in the ascendent.
The 7th as the "open enemy" is ruled by mercury.
Willow, the dog is the 6th, ruled by moon.
Pluto, co-ruler of the 8th exactly opposes the cusp of the 6th.
South Node is on the cusp of the 8th.
Moon, the dog Willow, separates from Mercury, and from Salix asteroid of the dog. It approaches an opposition to Nicola, in the 7th.
The 3rd, which was the walk she was taking, contains mars, representing an argument.
Mars squares the ascendent and descendent.
The ascendent is in the degree of the fated Nodes, lying over the 2nd/8th axis.
Uranus in the 2nd opposes the 8th house, unexpected accident?
Moon in rebel ego aries, the video speaks of a possible altercation about Willow not being on the leash. The signs posted require dogs to be on a leash.

This could explain Nicola accidentally slipping on the muddy/slippery and steep river bank and falling in.
It would explain why Willow was running around free.
One fact left handing and not explained by this video is how then the phone came to be on the bench?

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