Well said Dirius, thank you for the comment:
Problem with your wording, and its whats confusing people. You are using the cop as the "quesited" - and making him the object of the question. However in your mind, you might be simply asking where George Floyd as intentionall killed.
was the cop triying to murder him?
was george floyd murdered? (meaning intentionally)
and if you allow me, I' ll try to give another example: let's say i saw a strange object flying on the sky and i make the question:" is that object alien...ufo?"so since this is what i am asking(is that object ufo), i cant assign this object to 9th house(something foreigner...etc), because then automatically i assume it is an alien object.Instead i have to prove (astrologically in the chart) whether indeed is alien or not.So first i have to assign this object the right significator!!!!
or if i ask " did my friend "deliberately" said these bad things about me? which house i will assign to her? 11th( friend) or 7th(an open enemy to me)?or i will find the most debilitated planet on the chart and give it to her? obviously horary doesn't work that way.
For the same reason since in this context, the way was worded, we'are trying to find whether the cop "deliberetaly"wanted to kill Floyd, we can't begin our reasoning by claiming that this cop is corrupted-a bad cop, although we all have the same feelings about this "COP".Instead we have to check whether indeed his significator tells us that.
about ElenaJ's comment
"Was it a chart from aw? I googled about houses again and there was an article on sky script that said the 8th is the condition of death. "
This is where I read it...
She apparently does a lot of criminal work.
"Murder suspects, in my mind, go into the 8th house, just as investigations do. The ruler of the 8th house represents the suspect in a murder investigation. Here’s why. Any investigation involves an investment of resources: manpower, time, money, information, connections, etc. If it’s the right guy, and you find positive evidence, you’ve hit the jackpot, put this guy behind bars, and helped to increase the security and economic viability of the area maybe people will be more willing to do business in the area). If it’s the wrong guy, you’ve wasted resources (or feel like you have). You feel betrayed, and the guy who did it is still out there siphoning off quality of life."
She's putting in the viewpoint of resources, of other's resources.
And the victim:
"Okay, who are the victims, Y and Z? What represents them in your friend’s horary? People to whom we do service are represented by the 12th House, being opposite the 6th house, the service we do. Here, Libra is on the 12th, ruled by Venus. So Venus would represent Y, being the first victim mentioned."
It's a strange interpretation, but again she has a lot of experience in this sector.
8th house doesn't rule "murderers" (instead it rules death, issues related to death-funeral houses, undertakers.., inheritance, other people's money...etc).there are other ways to find whether someone indeed is a murderer, we don't assign a specific house to them, cause technically any person can become a murderer (either is a bad person and wants to harm and kill people, or unintentionally he did that, or he killed someone blinded from passion and jealousy, or he killed someone trying to defend himself ...etc)
and thank you Jupiter for your reasonable arguments!!
I'm no expert
so keep that in mind
a basic of horary is that
we have to assign the proper significators
for George Floyd and Derek Chauvin
study any receptions between them
their essential and accidental dignity respectively
although an aspect is not absolutely necessary in this context
since we already know the event
in other words - we are not trying to connect Floyd with Chauvin
we know that Floyds death was caused by the Chauvin the policeman.
THE QUESTION IS "THE INTENT" OF THE POLICEMAN, CHAUVIN
we have two "possibilities" to signify policeman Chauvin.
One is the accidental ruler as 10 AUTHORITIES =VENUS
iN THIS CHART VENUS although essentially dignified by term
and humane as placed also in gemini
NEVERTHELESS IS RETROGRADE and as such is accidentally debilitated.
VENUS IS ACTING IMPROPERLY
- The planet is going backwards, the wrong way
the other possible significator for the policeman is
the NATURAL RULER OF POLICEMENT = MARS
and IN THIS CHART MARS IS IN PISCES
- also as mutable sign is indicative of more than one person
and is ESSENTIALLY DIFNIFIED BY TRIPLLICITY = good cop
in MERCURYS DETRIMENT AND FALL HARMS MERCURY
policeman detain "criminals" in order to protect people and enforce law JUPITER IS NATURAL SIGNIFICATOR FOR LAW
and MARS IS IN JUPITERS DOMICILE PISCES
but there is no past connection, as we have with VENUS and MERCURY
next we assign a significator for Floyd.
and since Floyd is a person unknown to the querent
Floyd takes 7th house
an essentially dignified MERCURY IN DOMICILE AND TRIPLICIITY
also MERCURY is strong because of angularit
in a humane Sign, GEMINI
this policeman and/or these policemen, did not act properly RETROGRADE
AND AFFLICTED BY SUN -under the beams
they misused enforcement of law - VENUS IN JUPITERS DETRIMENT
perhaps they were afraid given his 6'7" height and hefty build
VENUS UNDER THE POWER OF MERCURY and UNDER THE BEAMS
- fearful, they used a "banned" police technique
- chokeholds/neck restraints that should not be used.
So they definitely acted improperly
- in fact they managed to kill Floyd
BUT at least according to this chart
it's not definite that policeman Chauvin was a bad person aka bad cop
VENUS IS ESSENTIALLY DIGNIFIED
nor that Chauvin "intended" to kill Floyd
VENUS IS NOT IN MERCURYS DEBILITIES instead is in MERCURYS DIGNITY
if you allow me to add this: venus aside her retrogradation, which is a severe accidental debility, a testimony that the planet is not acting properly,and moreover once more accidentally afflicted by sun (being under the beams), venus applying loosely in this chart to Bellatrix
, the female warrior, a fixed star also connected to military success
, while the time of mercury-venus conjunction venus and mercury were exactly on this star.On the other hand mercury is also on Betelgeuse
the Right Shoulder of Orion, and corresponds to the meaning of Mars with a touch of Mercury. ( The main stars in Orion carry similar meanings. They give power and the ability to achieve – but with restrictions.Fixed star Bellatrix is like Mars and Mercury
...It gives great civil or military honor but danger of sudden dishonor, renown, wealth, eminent friends and liability to accidents causing blindness and ruin....Fixed Stars and Constellations in Astrology, Vivian E. Robson, 1923, p.55, 145. / Betelgeuse
is on the Right Shoulder of Orion, and corresponds to the meaning of Mars with a touch of Mercury. The effects of these properties is more propitious than those of Bellatrix, especially if Jupiter is also connected to it. Placed in the angles, preferment, luck, success and everlasting fame are promised. On the Ascendant and in conjunction with Mars, there is danger of death by lightning, fire, explosions, firearms or similar things. Elsbeth Ebertin recorded that in June and July of 1927, when the Lunar Node was in conjunction with this fixed star, that groups of people died by lightning or were victims of explosions or assassination....Fixed Stars and Their Interpretation, Elsbeth Ebertin, 1928, p.37.).
So practically in this chart the placement of the planets on these fixed stars, gives us once more a testimony of the way the cop acted.Does this means he had planned it?(he saw George Floyd and thought: i want to kill him? i don't think so) or he did abuse his power and the enforcement of law in a bad way
(perhaps he was racist, or afraid of Floyd's corporature-physical appearance...etc) looks more like it, at least to me, not only astrologically speaking, but also in real terms.
**According to the information we have so far: manslaughter( technically they say 3rd degree/3rd degree murder in Minnesota carries a higher sentence than manslaughter, which would be five years), which usually means killing as the result of an accident. (involuntary or voluntary:voluntary would be if me and my friend get in a fight, and i punch them and without intending to kill them, they die.involuntary would be if me and my friend are taking a walk on a cliffside and i trip and fall into her and she falls off the cliff, or me and my friend are fighting and i punch them and they fall and hit their head and die.)First degree murder is killing someone “with malice aforethought”,
or in other words you planned to do it.Second degree murder
is killing someone without advance planning. For example, you get into a fight with someone, and the fight escalates to the point where someone dies. You meant to hurt him, but you did not mean to kill him.
So basically :The two elements that distinguish first degree murder from other criminal homicides are: premeditation and deliberateness.
In other words, the taking of another human life was first planned or thought out and the act itself was intentional. The actor’s conscious objective or desire was to engage in the conduct or cause the result.