Re: Some Tips on Delineating
4. The Elemental Quality of the Sign of the Ascendant is showing the type of Primary Motivation of the native.
Fire goes for freedom of action and power.
Air goes for freedom of expression and movement.
The Water signs need emotional security
Earth signs need physical security.
The person with masculine Ascendant (or majority of planets in masculine signs) speaks in active terms: "I did this to that person".
The person with feminine sign on Ascendant or majority planets in feminine signs, speaks in passive terms: "This happened to me".
The Feminine signs seek advice because they need second hand in their decisions, in fact they want someone else to make the decision for them.
Masculine signs seek advice because they have many options so they are not sure which option is better.
5. Examine the planets which most closely aspects the Ascendant. These planets add to the whole Primary Motivation thing.
Planets aspecting the Ascendant represent powers the native can use in the world.
The aspecting planet's local determination will be added to the Primary
(Venus in 5th will add love for pleasure and entertainment to the native's Primary Motivation).
The aspect between the aspecting planet and the Ascendant tells you how the being of the planet and its local determination are linked.
6. The Ruler of the Ascendant by its house position tells you where (what area of life) the native will seek to realize his/her Primary Motivation.
Look also at all 5 dignity rulers in the place of the ASC. The Almuten and Exalted ruler are lamost as significant as the domicile ruler (sometimes even more).
The Ruler of the Ascendant (as well as the other rulers) by its nature and zodiacal state shows the methods the native will use and the success or failure of the drive.
A lot of this is taken directly from Robert Zoller's texts, and Robert first studied with Zoltan Mason and learned Morin's delineation methods.
I studied with Robert, too, and he's a wonderful astrologer. But I find a lot of the above to be not always true. I've seen people with all their planets in earth and water signs who are very self-directed and wouldn't dream of asking advice, and people with a predominance of masculine planets and a masculine ascendant who prefer to not take decisions at all.
I've also not found the part about primary motivation and how the native tries to achieve it to be true, though that's a bit muddier, as anything aspecting the ascendant will modify it. But in my experience, the almuten figuris seems to hold more of a key to those things than the ascendant and ascendant ruler.
Which isn't to dismiss the importance of the ascendant and its ruler - they speak of the physical body amongst other things as well as mannerisms, and that's vital stuff.
Has anyone else run across anything like this in terms of theory versus practise? Zoller and Morin are well-worth reading, don't get me wrong there, and I do appreciate a systematic approach to delineation, but this...as I said, a lot of time this particular part of it seems not to work terribly well.