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<blockquote data-quote="Dirius" data-source="post: 597479" data-attributes="member: 46595"><p>Follow JupAsc's link, we had this discussion recently.<img src="https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/styles/smilies/tongue.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":tongue:" title="Tongue :tongue:" data-shortname=":tongue:" /></p><p></p><p><u>From the traditional perspective</u>: pluto has no <strong>astrological</strong> value.</p><p></p><p>Pluto, like the other outers, doesn't reflect the light of the Sun and is invisible to the naked eye. Since astrology was born by astronomical observation of the planets thousands of years ago, the whole astrological system was created for the <em>2 luminaries</em> and <em>5 errant stars </em>(Sun/Moon and Mercury/Venus/Mars/Jupiter/Saturn).</p><p></p><p>In classical astrology, there are MANY factos concerning a planet that play a role in the chart, most of them abandoned by modern astrology. </p><p></p><p>I think I can actually give you some proof of why pluto is irrelevant in traditional astrology.</p><p></p><p>Lets analyze....the concept of <strong>COMBUSTION</strong>:</p><p></p><p>So what is combustion? Its when a planet finds itself too close to the sun, under its rays. This is a negative position for the planet, because it is assumed that the sun "burns" the planet, thus, drains it from any positive influence they could have. Most traditionals and some modern astrologers employ the concept of a combusted planet.</p><p></p><p>But what is combustion <em>exactly</em>? In reality, the sun doesn't "burn" the planet. What happens is that, when a planet is too close to the sun, during its heliacal cycle of rising as either a morning or evening star, the planet is invisible to the naked eye, because of the exces of light produced by the Sun. Thus the planet is invisible to us, and can't reveal its astrological message properly.</p><p></p><p>Thus the planet is considered "burned" from any meaning it might have (in some cases, like in Horary, combustion signifies hidden things).</p><p></p><p>So, here is the problem:</p><p></p><p><em>If you are to consider COMBUSTION as an important factor in <strong>traditional</strong> astrology, then how can you consider Pluto, when he is invisible all the time, and pretty much under the same effect of combustion all the time, given that he is unable to reflect light?</em></p><p></p><p>The concept of pluto goes against the nature of traditional astrology, because it assumes that there is a planet that will always be unable to express its meaning or significance with ease, and will never be able to conduct the affairs of the house it supposedly rules in a proper way.</p><p></p><p>But again, this is just the <strong><u>traditional</u></strong> view regarding pluto. It is incompatible with classical teachings.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dirius, post: 597479, member: 46595"] Follow JupAsc's link, we had this discussion recently.:tongue: [U]From the traditional perspective[/U]: pluto has no [B]astrological[/B] value. Pluto, like the other outers, doesn't reflect the light of the Sun and is invisible to the naked eye. Since astrology was born by astronomical observation of the planets thousands of years ago, the whole astrological system was created for the [I]2 luminaries[/I] and [I]5 errant stars [/I](Sun/Moon and Mercury/Venus/Mars/Jupiter/Saturn). In classical astrology, there are MANY factos concerning a planet that play a role in the chart, most of them abandoned by modern astrology. I think I can actually give you some proof of why pluto is irrelevant in traditional astrology. Lets analyze....the concept of [B]COMBUSTION[/B]: So what is combustion? Its when a planet finds itself too close to the sun, under its rays. This is a negative position for the planet, because it is assumed that the sun "burns" the planet, thus, drains it from any positive influence they could have. Most traditionals and some modern astrologers employ the concept of a combusted planet. But what is combustion [I]exactly[/I]? In reality, the sun doesn't "burn" the planet. What happens is that, when a planet is too close to the sun, during its heliacal cycle of rising as either a morning or evening star, the planet is invisible to the naked eye, because of the exces of light produced by the Sun. Thus the planet is invisible to us, and can't reveal its astrological message properly. Thus the planet is considered "burned" from any meaning it might have (in some cases, like in Horary, combustion signifies hidden things). So, here is the problem: [I]If you are to consider COMBUSTION as an important factor in [B]traditional[/B] astrology, then how can you consider Pluto, when he is invisible all the time, and pretty much under the same effect of combustion all the time, given that he is unable to reflect light?[/I] The concept of pluto goes against the nature of traditional astrology, because it assumes that there is a planet that will always be unable to express its meaning or significance with ease, and will never be able to conduct the affairs of the house it supposedly rules in a proper way. But again, this is just the [B][U]traditional[/U][/B] view regarding pluto. It is incompatible with classical teachings. [/QUOTE]
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