CHIRON

Arian Maverick

Arian Maverick

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I have my natal Chiron in my fourth house of Cancer, only slightly more than a degree conjunct my Nadir. I too have become interested in this planetoid lately and even created a new thread called Chiron Conjunct the Nadir...what might its placement indicate in my chart?

Arian Maverick
 
Empath

Empath

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I have my natal Chiron in my fourth house of Cancer, only slightly more than a degree conjunct my Nadir
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AM, my intuitive reaction is that you are working on healing issues related your mother, your home, your ability to be "at home in the world". For some reason, I get that you might be very talented with your hands -- crafty, an intuitive seamstress, decorator -- you can heal others by creating a healing environment for them.

Just a blast from the left side of my brain for you, AM...

I get the feeling that people like you and Kite and so many others who are going through a major life transit like Chiron Return at the same time as Pluto conjuncting the Galactic Center, are blasting through numerous large and potent life issues in a super compressed time period. It must really feel like a Shamanically induced near death experience and probably is in different ways, but just think of what's coming on the other side of these rock-your-world transits?
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Lapis, indeed times are compressed -- for me and everyone else, it seems. I am fascinated by the galactic center -- in fact, I have a beautiful Hubble image of it as my PC wallpaper! My mind expands when I look upon the star field and the bright, enticing core at the center, and consider that the image contains so many stars, galaxies , planets, that I am looking upon a field of objects so numerous that my human brain can't fathom...

Transiting Neptune is at 19 Aq - what will happen when Chiron meets up with it?

Today
Chiron crossed Lilith (at 8deg35 AQ, it's Chiron's "soul sister" in my chart)

I've had a recurring image...
I sit just outside a cliffside cave, gathering around the fire. It is sunset, and Lilith brings some water to drink as Chiron stokes the fire.
Sit down, they say We have much to show you and stories to share....
 
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Frisiangal

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Empath wrote:

Chiron, Chiron, I hear you and I listen!!!
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Reading your story brought (nit)picking Virgo and Pisces to mind . Peeking at your chart in the chart thread, you have a Jupiter in Virgo-Mars in Pisces opposition, with MA= AS-CH-BML/MO. Picking is a form of self-mutilation, isn't it? Self trying to rid itself of that which makes it imperfect?

Today
Chiron crossed Lilith (at 8deg35 AQ, it's Chiron's "soul sister" in my chart)

I've had a recurring image...
I sit just outside a cliffside cave, gathering around the fire. It is sunset, and Lilith brings some water to drink as Chiron stokes the fire.
Sit down, they say We have much to show you and stories to share....
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What a beautiful image. I do so hope for you that you are finally able to bring up where your 'sores' originated from, and face them, through allowing the water of emotion to soothe the pain and false images of Lilith, the 'unaccepted' inner child in you, and the wisdom of experience in Lilith and Chiron to heal you.

My study has shown that Lilith often rises through the meaning of the opposing sign. In your case, this would be Leo. Could you say you have finally accepted yourself as you are and that you feel the warmth and strength of that camp fire finally glowing within you?

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Empath

Empath

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What a beautiful image. I do so hope for you that you are finally able to bring up where your 'sores' originated from, and face them, through allowing the water of emotion to soothe the pain and false images of Lilith, the 'unaccepted' inner child in you, and the wisdom of experience in Lilith and Chiron to heal you.

My study has shown that Lilith often rises through the meaning of the opposing sign. In your case, this would be Leo. Could you say you have finally accepted yourself as you are and that you feel the warmth and strength of that camp fire finally glowing within you?
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Wow. Frisiangal, I've said this somewhere else, this site is better than therapy! Thank you for your insight. It resonates like a gong.

My inner meanderings with Chiron and Lilith (by the cave on a high cliff) began several weeks ago, shortly before I joined this forum and I really knew anything about Lilith, let alone her close proximity to Chiron in my chart. (I joined this forum specifically because of the Chiron thread!)

I would meditate on Chiron and I would go to this place and then this woman would come up the cliffside path, carrying water. She wears furs and appears to be a crone from a distance but as she nears I see that she is beautiful, dark, with very wise eyes and an earthy, wild appearance.

I wondered who she was... she felt like an entity outside of myself, or maybe a projected facet of my self.

Now I know.
I was finally ready to meet Lilith.

What a lovely introduction! I see only beauty and strength in Lilith. We three -- Chiron, Lilith, and my Self -- all share experiences of pain, unacceptance, and world-weariness -- but in our caveside paradise, we stoke eternal flames and pierce the somber evening quiet with giggles and belly laughs...
 
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Frisiangal

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.........I would go to this place and then this woman would come up the cliffside path, carrying water. She wears furs and appears to be a crone from a distance but as she nears I see that she is beautiful, dark, with very wise eyes and an earthy, wild appearance
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In the week before I was astrologically introduced to Lilith, two things occured. One was the solar eclipse exact my 12th house Jupiter (ruler my I.C.) The second was a visit to a garden centre in U.K. because my husband wanted a statuette for our garden. We saw nothing we liked and then my eye fell upon this, perhaps two feet high, statue of a young Nubian girl, slightly provocative yet decently clad, carrying a water pitcher in her hand. She is not a woman, there is nothing 'sexy' about her but just the opposite; she is in a rather modest, almost shy pose with her head turned towards her left shoulder. 3 days later we returned home with her, where a Lilith article from a fellow astrologer who thought 'it might be of interest to you' was waiting for me.

The statuette is my personification of the young pre-puberty Lilith. One day, when in doubt regarding my feelings towards my study, I looked at her in the garden. At precisely that moment the sun caught her from what seemed an impossible angle, through my front to my back window onto the garden. In that less than a minute of brightness, it was as if she glowed. As an 'Earthy' person for whom 'seeing is believing', it provided the answer, although rationally speaking it was pure co-incidence. :)

We both see Lilith carrying a water container, although the water isn't physically apparent. Water is astrologically associated with feelings, the container with Saturn. Lilith so very strongly seems to describe feelings that are, and always have been there, that are carried within and hidden from physical view by Saturn's rules of authority and acceptance.
I think that's a striking image we share of the two sides of Lilith, don't you ? Like you, I have a Chiron-BML -ASC. conjunction.

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Lapis

Lapis

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Empath

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Lapis,
Sweet gif! Now all we need is Frisiangal's Lilith statue and we can all hang out by the fire at my clifftop cave! :D
 
Lapis

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" Because Chiron has such an elliptical orbit, it has been forming oppositions to Saturn on and off since 1986; the final exact opposition is during Summer Soltice 2006, and the opposition is still in orb through June 2007. Thus, for 20 years Saturn has been structuring the healing powers of Chiron, while Chiron has been forcing us all to go into deep wounds in our private and public lives. This opposition has been so potent that it birthed and matured that alternative healing movement, and as it moves off, allopathic medicine has fallen into a swill of manipulative drugging and planned obsolescence of American health. The physical condition of the American populace has never been worse because the greedy medical and corporate cabal conspires to profit, not cure, and a large percentage of the people have learned they must take care of their own bodies. This issue will be major during this Spring Equinox quarter (2006) since all of you must see how fear is marketed to rope you into becoming a consumer of medicine......."

".......Neptune went into Aquarius in early 1998, and it is in Aquarius through Feb. 2012; this makes it the signature planet of the Galactic Alignment in 1998 and of the whole Galactic Underworld, January 5, 1999 through Oct. 28, 2011. When Neptune is in Aquarius, we find spiritual connection through personal transformation, and as the recent gross materialism drops away, your spiritual growth will be your only reliable fuel......"
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These were just a couple of paragraphs that I wanted to share, they're from Barbara Hand Clow's latest New Moon article. As is usual, the time lines with these long running transits just fit together like the perfect cosmic jig-saw puzzles they are. Here's a link to the whole article.

www.handclow2012.com/astroflash.htm
 
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johan

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The little planet Chiron

Now,thanks to the computer there is an ephemeris available so that every astrologer can place it into the horoscope,it is useful,to tell something more about him.His orb swings between those of Uranus and Saturn,which he crosses now and then.He has a middleline of only 400 English miles and that is why he also is considered to be one of the planetoids or fragments of the planet Lucifer(Mallona).He was discovered in 1977 on a picture of the sky and found again,before unnoticed,on one of 1895.His agreed glyph is the image shown above: a standing mooncrescent with two straight stripes through the lowest half of it.This reminds of the tarotcard the Hierophant,a wise man between two pillars with a mooncrescent as an ornament.It means,that twe two poles(animus and anima,or yin and yang) have to fuse to a unity by the conscious thinking(the Moon).The two lines can also indicate the crossed orbs of Uranus and Saturn(In thinking in analogies a symbol has always many meanings at the same time!).
In Greek mythology Chiron was the name of a centaur.The first centaur was the son of Saturn and Philyra(a daughter of Oceanus).To hide his unfaithfulness for his spouse,Saturn had changed himself into a horse with the begetting.That's why the descendant consisted of a human upper part and a horse lower part,so a human,strongly afflicted with animal powers.At first this is experienced as a twoness,in which in turn the one half and the other half predominate.First the centaur thrives for the mastering of the horsehalf by the humanhalf,later to the becoming one of both halfs(individuation).So at the same time nature and civilization,instinct and logic,body and soul,soul and spirit and so on.
In mythology Chiron was the educator of many young heroes.He teached them ethics(difference between good and evil),medical science,but also the hunt and warfare.All this is typical for Sagittarius,the archer,who according to the myth was placed in the sky when Chiron,who had enough of his incurable wound,traded his immortality for the mortality of the suffering Prometheus,who was redeemed of his rock(to a certain myth).He got this wound on a wedding,where the heroes fired upon the drunk centaurs and Heracles accidently hit his master's ankle with a poisonous arrow.Despite his knowledge of medical science,Chiron couldnot heal himself.And back than one saw death as a simple transition,not like an enemy who one has to fight to the end,like so many physicians nowadays.
Chiron,a brother of Jupiter(Zeus) and Pluto(Hades),shared a sanctuary on the top of the mountain Pelion.There Zeus had a temple at the sunside and Chiron a cave on the northside.
The discovery of a planet usually goes together with a remarkable change in the world,according to the working of that planet.For a planet is discovered most of the time if humanity is ready for that planet.Uranus brought the preparation of the French revolution and more renewings of society,like the practical appliance of electricity since Edison,although it has existed always.The discovery of Neptune in 1846 brought the inclination to romanticism and the unseen and the massive use of and fighting against bacteries.Since his discovery in 1930 Pluto gave the destruction by violence.
Now Chiron is probably behind the revival of spiritual and herbal therapies,as also a fanatical propaganda in a mutual competition of ideologies and spiritual directions,especially in the English-speaking countries,where Sagittarius always is a strong factor.All those masters and spiritual leaders can have a strong Chiron in their character-pattern.All methods that try to unify body and soul,which in the beginning of the 20th century deliberately were separated by Christian church,is the influence of Chiron.He inspires all those new therapists who suddenly give up their job or business and intuitively begin to heal their fellowman in an old-new way.Sagittarius aims with bow and arrow at a high goal,and likewise Chiron thrives for healing by spirit,from the top,and at the same time of the bottom with herbal cures.
The myth tells how the goddess of wisdom:pallas Athene marked the head of Chiron,and hereby gave him the seed of wisdom.In our time the notables in their residence-the vicar,the physician,the teacher and the judge- mostly only officially represent the wisdom and the integrity by toga or white coat and capital.Maybe little Chiron should succeed the older leaders of the notables-Jupiter and Saturn-as real wisdom?
 
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Francesca

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I just read an interesting analysis of Chiron's interactions with Saturn on Melanie Rhinehart's (sp?) site. When you get there, search "Chiron".
 
Lapis

Lapis

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Yes Chiron is a type of bridge between Saturn and Uranus. Chiron orbits between these two so there's the obvious physical connection along with the energetic one. Chiron helps us to move outside or beyond the physical structure of 3D reality (Saturn) to Uranus and all that it holds.
 
Mary

Mary

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hi!

Mi chiron is on the 11th house, conjucnt mercury (the ruler of my chart) and sextiles my venus in pisces, inconjunct my neptune and lilith (sag, 6th house) and Pluto in my 4th house.

All I can say is that before I read in the first post that Chiron teached astrology, I posted in "Vocational Astrology-Could I be an astrologer?" thread and investigation of profesional astrologers. And sth (my intuition) told me to include chiron as an indicator of astrology interest.

And actually astrology (chiron conjunct mercury in the 11th) helped me a lot to understand a lot of my home and familiy issues and health issues (specially during tr pluto in my 6th house). Mercury conjunct chiron is the apex of a yod.
 
Lapis

Lapis

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Just bumping this old thread up for Mikey279x and his Chiron questions. Maybe there's something in this old thread that will help or give some insights Mikey.
 
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