Chiron in 11th house - friendships

[ardentika]

I think the 11th house is a funny one Chiron or no Chiron. It shows enemies frenemies and hard work to make friends. I have leo moon Leo north node in 11th and it’s a challenge!! Gains? Not sure lol

I don't think 11th shows enemies. 7th and 12th does. 11th is gains because 10th/Capricorn shows the hard work we put out in the world and 11th/Aquarius shows the gains of our hard work. It also shows the gains of 5th since in vedic esp 5th shows intelligence cos it's opposite the 11th.

 

[CrankyCap]

Also I noticed something else with 11th. It's also the house of gains. I don't know if you have this issue but my friend is afraid of success. She hasn't gained much from her musical career, nor financially from her projects. It's like there is some fear of gains and success with Chiron in 11th. Fears of actually achieving your dreams which often becomes self sabotage .

I'm not afraid of success, I carve it.. but sometimes it can be like "remember moderation - don't bite more than you can chew! You can't manage too much on your own", which prevents me from pushing but it's funny with my Chiron hugging Jupiter. On the other hand it's also fear of overconfidence and blind trust that things will be alright... that my high expectations and optimism become unrealistic and I'll just embarrass myself. I admit I also tend to see overconfident and too pushy people in bad light... so it's fear of becoming like them. I've practised embarrassing myself on purpose to overcome that fear. Anything for the sake of figuring out surefire recipe of success in meaningful things... without becoming "stuck in one thing for the rest of my life".


If we get started on wishes and dreams, mine have been shot down so many times, I believe I can't have a life that looks like it's mine. If I want a specific career, I can't have it because I'm not good enough. If I want friends, everyone abandons me or if they don't, they just use and deceive me. If I want to live free, I dont have enough resources nor energy... if I gather some, there's always someone more powerful than me to take it away with some excuses which look socially acceptable but they aren't... It's like "can't I have just the same opportunities and things in life as every average person around me?? Why are they succeeding but I'm not? Am I sabotaging myself or is there a hidden enemy sabotaging me (seen lots of fake nice people in my life)?"

 

[ardentika]

The last part you explained is pretty much life haha. This perspective comes from "looking too much in your neighbor's dish" instead of your own. This way you will always have something to want and not have . Chiron not being alone changes things. And anyways Chiron shows where we need to heal. A friend of mine has a strong belief Chiron CAN be healed to a point where it functions properly and doesn't sabotage you. I do believe that too. But I see many people failing because , **** Chiron is tougher than Saturn even. It makes you feel helpless and victimized. It's that one area you can't heal on your own. It's that one area where you will be pushed to dive deep in your subconscious patterns and need all types of counseling to overcome.

 

[Eanahsti]

I also have Chiron in the 11th house! Based on reading a few of the comments above, I’m surprised that it seems to not be normal to have a best friend for two years until the connection loses its touch.

I had really amazing friends in my life (I’m 16), but they always tend to drift off after a year or two. I actually find that very normal. I guess since I’m so accustomed to it, I don’t realize that friendships should seemingly last more than two years? I’m would be pretty confused about how Chiron in the 11th house would affect me if that were not the case.

Something I find extremely difficult however is establishing friendships in new places. A lot of the time, the people there already had a friend group they’ve known since childhood. So, I gets hard for me to fit inside the group. I blamed that mostly on my Mercury in 12th house Capricorn retrograde which I believe causes my shyness and inability to talk to people. I also have sun in Capricorn 12th so I’m very introverted.

I just read a few of how 11th house also would include dreams and wishes. I guess something that I notice is that when I hope for something to happen, it never EVER happens. It’s like, the opposite happens for me no matter what. When I don’t think about my wishes, it at a certain point comes true until I again, hope for it. I don’t exactly know if this would apply, but yaaa

 

[ardentika]

I also have Chiron in the 11th house! Based on reading a few of the comments above, I’m surprised that it seems to not be normal to have a best friend for two years until the connection loses its touch.

I had really amazing friends in my life (I’m 16), but they always tend to drift off after a year or two. I actually find that very normal. I guess since I’m so accustomed to it, I don’t realize that friendships should seemingly last more than two years? I’m would be pretty confused about how Chiron in the 11th house would affect me if that were not the case.

Something I find extremely difficult however is establishing friendships in new places. A lot of the time, the people there already had a friend group they’ve known since childhood. So, I gets hard for me to fit inside the group. I blamed that mostly on my Mercury in 12th house Capricorn retrograde which I believe causes my shyness and inability to talk to people. I also have sun in Capricorn 12th so I’m very introverted.

I just read a few of how 11th house also would include dreams and wishes. I guess something that I notice is that when I hope for something to happen, it never EVER happens. It’s like, the opposite happens for me no matter what. When I don’t think about my wishes, it at a certain point comes true until I again, hope for it. I don’t exactly know if this would apply, but yaaa

That's the beauty of astrology, it plays out different for everyone. And I've never read that Chiron in 11th people never get to have their wishes. I don't think that's true for any planet. I think it's just certain lessons and healing we need to do to raise above our chart and unlock certain areas ,that's all. Chiron is a wounded healer. Some say chirons wound never heals but I don't think that's exactly true. Not in the way that it blocks you at least.

My friend who has Chiron in 11th has had many of her wishes become true, her issue is she doesn't fully believe in her dreams. Like the big ones. But that is something that's workable.

 

[CapAquaPis]

I have Chiron in my 11th in the sign of Taurus and I made a few friends through my mom who happened to be a Taurus sun, but this placement kept me from having close friends and I had problems with maintaining them in the long run.

 

[OuterPlanets89]

My ex had Chiron in the 11th, and she definitely had problems making female friends. This was also probably influenced by her Moon (Leo) square Pluto, which is famously an aspect which makes it difficult for other women to trust you.

I think it was a control thing, as the only friendships that gave her the control she wanted were with desperate guys who hoped to date her someday. Women are on average, more intuitive than men, and I feel like they can sense the health of another person's emotional side more easily.

 

[Harmelia]

Where is the chart? Hermetic says - it's in the "sig", but what and where is that?