Child death.

[eliwhite]

My son died on January 29th of SIDS. If anyone can help give me ideas of natal aspects or transits in either of our charts that could have indicated death, that would be great. I'm trying to figure out if what to look for to see if I'll have any more children die, especially because I'm pregnant again. Here's our information:

Elizabeth (mother): March 14, 1990 0:50 Noblesville, IN
Gage (son): November 22, 2011 23:14 Anderson, IN

Thanks so much.

 

[eliwhite]

I attached my chart and his chart with the transits on the day that he died. Could it have been the trine between lilith, mars, and pluto in his chart?

 

[gen6k]

these are not the usual significators but the natal chart and transits looks special. there is a lot of energy involved in it, but several critical points. moon at 1 degree next to saturn with saturn crossing over the moon. sun at 0 sextile uranus at 0 in the 8th with transiting uranus over it. mars in the first opposite chiron at 0 with neptune over it. sun square mars and neptune. it seems like there was too much power involved, maybe the universe made a mistake and needed your childs soul for a different mission.

 

[eliwhite]

gen6k,

That's interesting. I thought that there was something special about him, but I attributed a lot of it to him being my first son and my second child. I have heard the second is supposed to be most like the father, because he/she represents the 7th house of the woman.

From my experience, I felt like he knew he was going to die young from the beginning, and for whatever reason he had a good intuitive connection with me (it's not like that at all with my daughter), because I somewhat expected him to die. Many many times, even before he was born, I got strong feelings that he was going to die. I specifically worried about SIDS at one point. I believe that he knew his purpose was to die and warned me the best he could.

But since I know so little about astrology, is there any way that you could elaborate on what those aspects and transits you mentioned indicate?

 

[gen6k]

if you really want to learn more about him you could go to a psychic astrologer that studies the theory of reincarnation and how energies are alluded to from charts.

okay well, the sun at 0 is in a critical degree. sometimes if it is a mercury at 0 in a specific place like a slow moving taurus mercury this could signifiy a speech impediment. the two rulers of this sun are jupiter and pluto, signifying ascension and also death/rebirth. sometimes the 0 degree acts as a primordial kind of arian intrique point in some cases also. okay another uncanny thing that happened is the sun connected to uranus in the 8th. the 8th house is the house of death, depth, volcanic transformation and when it is with uranus between aries (new life) and pisces (death) this could signify a kind of breach in the techtonics of life.

mars in virgo, so i do agree that he was in tune with his own body and health. this makes an opposition to chiron the wounded healer in the 7th in pisces. this makes his physical constitution more martyrdom-centric which is exaberated next to neptune in aquarius.

other notices, there are many planets either in between two signs or surrounding two signs, another signification of transition. or at least sprawling understanding in many different idioms.

when the sun squares chiron and mars, his ego is directly connected in to the energy field. the way the red moved around the grand trine and all the layers of communication between his energies. everything is connected in his chart.

now the transits also look significant, it seems as if something metaphysical could of been surrounding him at the time. maybe as if the universe was plugging in to his planets.

 

[eliwhite]

Thank you so much. That makes sense. I knew there was significance to planets being at the first or last degree of a sign, but I didn't think much into it other than the person showing both sign's characteristics. I have thought about going to a psychic to talk about him and see if I can talk to him, but I don't know anything about psychics or how to tell if they are reputable and don't want to end up wasting my money. Thanks again for sharing about the aspects and transit in his chart.

 

[Cascada]

I'm so sorry for your loss. I'm sure you can find an inexpensive psychic if that's what you wanted, my sister went to one for the same reason and successfully contacted her little boy. He was well and it was an emotional but lovely experience for all of us (I was with her). It helped to put her at ease.
In the chart, I see that transiting Pluto is conjunct Pluto in his natal chart. It might not be significant as Pluto moves slowly, but I thought I'd point that out too.
All the best for the future.

 

[Tanne]

I am very sorry for your loss. Was he by any chance your 3rd pregnancy?

 

[eliwhite]

He was my 2nd. I'm pregnant now with my 3rd. Why do you ask?

 

[aquarius7000]

Hello,

Very sorry to hear about your loss. May he be in peace and be blessed.

In your own chart, your progressed Moon had just entered your 9th house. Normally, when the progressed Moon enters or leaves a house, there is usually activity. I would have thought, just by looking at the fact that the Moon had entered the 9th, that either you have started some uni course, something impactful with the overseas has happened, or spiritual awakening. When we go a step further, the Moon was square natal Pluto (impactful transformation).

Though we have to look at the 5th house foremost for children, in general, but the 7th is also considered due to his being your 2nd child. Lord of your 7th house is Mer, and your prog Mer was on the natal 5th house, closely squaring Mars (ruler of your natal 5th house). That same prog Mer was in a little over 1° sextile to Jup in the 7th also, so, again showing the 2nd child (but through compensation, sorry). The aforementioned is also endorsed by Jup itself transiting the 5th and also sextiling natal Jup in the 7th. This also means that prog Mer and transit Jup were conj one another. May I ask, if it happened in the morning/forenoon. Transit Mars was retrograde, in Virgo, so also ruled by Mer (ruler of your 2nd son) and was in direct opposition to natal Sun (Sun rules the male child in the mother's chart). Saturn had separated from a square with Moon (mothering) and applying in a trine to Jup in natal 7th house, so you see how the 7th house was though attacked (through its Lord; Mer mostly), but was also blessed through many wonderful aspects to Jup (fortune) there. Transit Ura (change) over the 4th house (family), was squaring Jup in the 7th tightly as well. One doesn't normally conclude a sad mishap as this, but otherwise one would have though instability in relationship. Finally, if you will notice the degree on transit Pluto it was exactly the same as the cusp of your 2nd house (existence was shaken), and this in conj to Ura.

The natal Moon is afflicted by Sat. If the natal Moon is either in the 5th or 11th (5th-11th axis denotes children) house, and afflicted by Sat or Mars, it may denote such a mishap. Or else, through its affliction by Sat a difficult childhood for the child, sometimes even phyiscal deformities. Through affliction by Mars, it may denote a child that is a difficult caesarian (Mars) birth, or with some problem with the blood (like extreme cases where blood transfusion is needed). At least, Sat-Moon in the mother's chart will show a later or a difficult pregnancy. Fortunately, in your chart, the Lord, Mars is in conj with Ven (fortune) and not afflicted otherwise either. You also have the Lot of fortune in the 5th. Please feel free not to answer if you don't like to, but may I ask if you are pregnant with a male child?

Best
AQ7

 

[eliwhite]

My sister went over seas at the beginning of November last year. Also, after my son died, I finally found a spiritual view that made sense to me in all aspects of my life.

My son died very early in the morning. I think I found him around 3:30 am.

Around August last year when I was pregnant, I started having horrible nausea. The weird thing is that I was almost in my 3rd trimester and had barely any nausea before. Delivery wasn't bad, but he had low blood sugar after his first feeding at the hospital and needed a little bit of formula.

I don't know what I am having this time. I'm due March 12, so I won't find out until October (I think). Is there a way to predict the likelihood of having a specific gender?

And thank you so much for explaining all of that. I really appreciate it.

 

[aquarius7000]

Hello again,

Thank you for the feedback.

Re predicting the gender of a child, well, there is material on this to read and apply, and I am trying to go deeper into it. Alot of things, incl date of conception, etc, need to be considered. All that said, this is a very contested subject in Astrology.

AQ7

 

[waybread]

Hello again,

Thank you for the feedback.

Re predicting the gender of a child, well, there is material on this to read and apply, and I am trying to go deeper into it. Alot of things, incl date of conception, etc, need to be considered. All that said, this is a very contested subject in Astrology.

AQ7

I agree.

It is very natural for grieving parents to try to make sense of a child's death. But astrology as a field is notoriously poor at death prediction. There are many different techniques, they don't all agree, and get different results. There is no real death signature in a chart. if there were, the life insurance industry would be using it.

Studying astrology, however, has made me think that a death chart is really the moment of birth into another dimension. Just as no two birth charts are 100% identical, no two death charts are the same, either.

So sorry for your loss.

 

[Tanne]

Sorry to labour the point but are you sure that he was not your 3rd pregnancy - even though he was your 2nd child.

 

[waybread]

Tanne, this question might get too personal.

 

[eliwhite]

From what I know of, he was my 2nd. There's always the possibility that a girl gets pregnant and miscarries so early on that she never knew she was pregnant. I have had pregnancy scares, but the only time I have gotten a positive pregnancy test is from the 2 children I have birthed and the one I'm pregnant with now. Why do you think Gage may have been my 3rd?

 

[eliwhite]

Waybread- yes, I know there is controversy over death charts. It's just intriguing to me, and since my son has passed, I have also been wondering if there is a way to tell if a woman is likely to lose children by looking at her chart (partially because I'm pregnant again). I really like your way of thinking about a deathchart- it's a birth chart into another dimension.

 

[Peregrine_Moon]

It is very natural for grieving parents to try to make sense of a child's death. But astrology as a field is notoriously poor at death prediction. There are many different techniques, they don't all agree, and get different results. There is no real death signature in a chart. if there were, the life insurance industry would be using it.

Studying astrology, however, has made me think that a death chart is really the moment of birth into another dimension. Just as no two birth charts are 100% identical, no two death charts are the same, either.

eliwhite,As a parent, I can't begin imagine what it must be like to have a child die. I'm deeply sorry for your loss!
I agree with waybread, here. Most reputable astrologers whose work I've consulted also say that there's no identifiable set of aspects, midpoints or progressions that form a "death signature."

I think this is a sign of hope for us: we do not die. Our deaths happen to others. We can find others' death in the horoscopes of their partners, close family members and children. But nothing indicates our own deaths. Whatever we experience, it doesn't seem to be the loss of ourselves. Our charts continue on even though we no longer live in this world or life. I have known women who have had profound, ongoing experiences near the anniversaries of their children's deaths although the projected charts of those children doesn't show any specific new development. However, I'm not seasoned enough in astrology to understand this more completely! I'm of the "if it's not simple, don't make it complicated" school of interpretation!

I wish you all the best with your pregnancy and offer my fervent hope that this child will be healthy and live a long, peaceful life.

 

[Tanne]

Hi. I suspect that he is your 3rd child because he is a fire sign. Also, the ruler of the 3rd child, the Sun, is in the 3rd child's 8th house within 1 degree of the cusp. This "could be" an indicator of an early death. Of course it could be an indicator of anything else related to the 8th house too. This will only affect the 3rd or the 9th child. From your chart I would say that any other children do not die early. Again, I am very sorry for your loss.

 

[serafin5]

Im so sorry for your loss Eliwhite and Congradulations on your currant pregnancy!

Blessings to you
Serafin5