Chart ruler Jupiter in detriment inconjunct ascendant
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curiousabout77
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Hello infest,
The ruler of your 1st house is in the 5th house so this would mean that you direct your energies to attain what you personally want to what your hearts desires are.
The ruler of your 1st house is in the 5th house so this would mean that you direct your energies to attain what you personally want to what your hearts desires are.
waybread
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Just make sure you have an accurate birth time. In this chart, the 29th degree rises, so if your birth time is a few minutes off, your might have Capricorn rising. But the two signs are very different, so this might be some help in rectifying your chart if you're not sure about your accurate birth time.
The fifth house deals with recreation and leisure activities, as well as with your children, if any. Jupiter in the 5th is usually helpful for people who want children, as is your moon in a water sign. Although, Saturn in the 5th suggests delays. With Jupiter in Gemini, you might enjoy more mental forms of recreation.
You seem to be a strong Aquarian, who enjoys the world of ideas.
The fifth house deals with recreation and leisure activities, as well as with your children, if any. Jupiter in the 5th is usually helpful for people who want children, as is your moon in a water sign. Although, Saturn in the 5th suggests delays. With Jupiter in Gemini, you might enjoy more mental forms of recreation.
You seem to be a strong Aquarian, who enjoys the world of ideas.
AstroPerson
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It's interesting. Notice how the Sun is in trine with the MC, which alleviates the incunjunction (redirecting its energies, instead, to the square between these two), which may be interpreted as the possibility of you losing money through others (they are lords of the 2nd and 8th houses, respectively), mainly work colleagues (due to the MC's original energies), and your need to be wary with the money/resources you lend to others.
waybread
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One other thing to notice about your chart, infest, is that your Jupiter makes a wide out-of-sign conjunction, but the opposite midpoint contains a domiciled Mars, which will tend to pull Saturn and Jupiter more together as a twosome. More traditional astrologers don't use out-of-sign aspects, but in a nativity I generally count them in.
If you don't have an accurate birth time we can't really use houses, but these three planets-in-signs would still keep their aspect relationship.
Then you've got Saturn squaring your Aquarian Uranus, sun, and Mercury; engaged in a T-square with Mars.
Quite honestly, I would say that you have a difficult chart! So good for you for whatever gains, successes, and joy you've had in your life! You may feel that forces (or people) beyond your control inhibit you from expressing your natural Sagi-Aqua independence and uniqueness. But they are still there, as part of your make-up.
I encourage you to work with your horoscope as a tool for becoming the kind of person you most want to be. Each planet, sign, and house has multiple interpretations that are consistent with their core meanings. We can choose empowering or disempowering interpretations. Empowering works better.
The disempowering Saturn gives us delays, disappointments, hardships, and self-doubt. The empowering Saturn teaches us self-discipline, frugality, and staying-the-course.
I also have an Aquarian sun close to your natal degree, as well as Mars opposite Saturn. What I found to work well is thinking of Mars as the athlete and initiator, with Saturn as the wise teacher or coach. Your Aquarian stellium asks you to be your own individual, and not part of the herd. Saturn as the strict coach can help you to express your individuality in productive (vs. merely rebellious) ways.
Best wishes for your journey.
If you don't have an accurate birth time we can't really use houses, but these three planets-in-signs would still keep their aspect relationship.
Then you've got Saturn squaring your Aquarian Uranus, sun, and Mercury; engaged in a T-square with Mars.
Quite honestly, I would say that you have a difficult chart! So good for you for whatever gains, successes, and joy you've had in your life! You may feel that forces (or people) beyond your control inhibit you from expressing your natural Sagi-Aqua independence and uniqueness. But they are still there, as part of your make-up.
I encourage you to work with your horoscope as a tool for becoming the kind of person you most want to be. Each planet, sign, and house has multiple interpretations that are consistent with their core meanings. We can choose empowering or disempowering interpretations. Empowering works better.
The disempowering Saturn gives us delays, disappointments, hardships, and self-doubt. The empowering Saturn teaches us self-discipline, frugality, and staying-the-course.
I also have an Aquarian sun close to your natal degree, as well as Mars opposite Saturn. What I found to work well is thinking of Mars as the athlete and initiator, with Saturn as the wise teacher or coach. Your Aquarian stellium asks you to be your own individual, and not part of the herd. Saturn as the strict coach can help you to express your individuality in productive (vs. merely rebellious) ways.
Best wishes for your journey.
ScorpioMaria
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Does the inconjunct aspect really mean anything?
I understand that with an inconjunct (150 degrees), the planets and their energies are separate, "compartmentalised"
They do not understand each other, they do not agree, but they are not in open conflict;
they agree to stay separate (as if they were unaspected?)
Inconjunct is not one of the aspects typically used in interpretation
I understand that with an inconjunct (150 degrees), the planets and their energies are separate, "compartmentalised"
They do not understand each other, they do not agree, but they are not in open conflict;
they agree to stay separate (as if they were unaspected?)
Inconjunct is not one of the aspects typically used in interpretation
infest
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thank you for your response. My birth time should be mostly accurate +-5 minutes. The following is not a criticism of you or your interpretation, if someone may be inclined to take it that way. Doesn't help my mercury is in retrograde square saturn mars and 3rd house in pisces-aries.
I can't separate the positive qualities of saturn from the negatives. I don't see it as something that helps me be productive, but forces me to struggle to be instead. It's a cruel judgemental suffocating planet. I have problems with authority, i tried to get along with people but when they start making demand after demand and restriction after restriction then my health declines I can't perform and they act like I'm a terrible preson for it and I'm forced to yell intimidate and fight (I have only ever fought my siter but I have attacked others in rage they didn't fight back) while I'm sick and underweight because my manipulation doesn't work anymore or in other cases where I can't do that or risk getting physically assaulted, and then my poor health making me hurt others i don't want to hurt while I'm also being delayed from helping people who actaully need it - it's sick to me to think if others didn't ruin my health, I could have given so much to someone by this point so they coud avoid other pointless suffering or death. I don't feel empowered in that. The only reason i stood up against my father in the end for instance after years of mostly avoiding conflict was because of the prospect of losing my soul or developing severe cogntive decline/insanity because of his control, presence, influence. I was ready to die, I wanted to illegal things him and others.
waybread
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Well, hang in there.
I'm sorry you've had such a rough time.
A very wise and funny astrologer, Steven Forrest, once said that no planet is in the sky just to hurt us.
Again, each planet has empowering and disempowering interpretations. The key is finding empowering interpretations. Simply, they work better than the disempowering ones. I say this as someone who has all of her planets involved in oppositions or squares. (Also a lot of retrogrades.)
I'd say you have a difficult chart, but that doesn't mean you can never be happy. So far as your Jupiter inconjunct Ascendant goes, Chiron is sitting right on your ascendant. This is one of those "it hurts to be you" aspects. But Chiron asks us to stay open to its wounds and hurts. When we do that, its gifts are wisdom and compassion. In this, Chiron and Jupiter have much in common. Jupiter rules wisdom and taking the broad view of life.
There are some wisdom asteroids, BTW, that you can access via Astrodienst's free chart pages at www.astro.com. You can look at Astrodienst's (massive) list of asteroids and input their astronomical numbers into your chart. With asteroids, I only look at conjunctions (or you get too much space junk,) but see if ones like Sapentia, Sophia, Odin, or Wisdom (I think I got those right) ping on anything in your chart.
Maybe focus on the really good looking parts of your chart. With your Venus conjunct your part of fortune and sextile Neptune, I think you have a vivid imagination and artistic talent. Even if you've not yet developed it yet, graphic art, music, or even film-making should be a good way for you to express your individuality, notably electronic media. (Your artistic ability is reinforced, incidentally by your moon bi-quintile Venus.) Neptune trine Jupiter suggests you have a spiritual streak, whether you've activated it yet or not. It's a bit wide, but I'd consider these planets to form a talent triangle (2 sextiles joined by a trine.)
Sure, Venus is in detriment in Aries, but she's not helpless, given your domiciled Mars. Venus in Aries can be assertive and independent.
I think your NN in Cancer in the 7th house is asking you to make peace with other people.
You have embarked on your astrological journey. That's great, because you can use astrology as a tool for self awareness. BTW, Aquarius and Uranus are the modern rulers of psychology. This subject may be of interest to you-- and helpful.
I'm sorry you've had such a rough time.
A very wise and funny astrologer, Steven Forrest, once said that no planet is in the sky just to hurt us.
Again, each planet has empowering and disempowering interpretations. The key is finding empowering interpretations. Simply, they work better than the disempowering ones. I say this as someone who has all of her planets involved in oppositions or squares. (Also a lot of retrogrades.)
I'd say you have a difficult chart, but that doesn't mean you can never be happy. So far as your Jupiter inconjunct Ascendant goes, Chiron is sitting right on your ascendant. This is one of those "it hurts to be you" aspects. But Chiron asks us to stay open to its wounds and hurts. When we do that, its gifts are wisdom and compassion. In this, Chiron and Jupiter have much in common. Jupiter rules wisdom and taking the broad view of life.
There are some wisdom asteroids, BTW, that you can access via Astrodienst's free chart pages at www.astro.com. You can look at Astrodienst's (massive) list of asteroids and input their astronomical numbers into your chart. With asteroids, I only look at conjunctions (or you get too much space junk,) but see if ones like Sapentia, Sophia, Odin, or Wisdom (I think I got those right) ping on anything in your chart.
Maybe focus on the really good looking parts of your chart. With your Venus conjunct your part of fortune and sextile Neptune, I think you have a vivid imagination and artistic talent. Even if you've not yet developed it yet, graphic art, music, or even film-making should be a good way for you to express your individuality, notably electronic media. (Your artistic ability is reinforced, incidentally by your moon bi-quintile Venus.) Neptune trine Jupiter suggests you have a spiritual streak, whether you've activated it yet or not. It's a bit wide, but I'd consider these planets to form a talent triangle (2 sextiles joined by a trine.)
Sure, Venus is in detriment in Aries, but she's not helpless, given your domiciled Mars. Venus in Aries can be assertive and independent.
I think your NN in Cancer in the 7th house is asking you to make peace with other people.
You have embarked on your astrological journey. That's great, because you can use astrology as a tool for self awareness. BTW, Aquarius and Uranus are the modern rulers of psychology. This subject may be of interest to you-- and helpful.
infest
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I am about to look into them.
EDIT: if they are conjunct saturn does it mean i am wise about saturn, or that saturn is debilitating my wisdom
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infest
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https://www.xqueeno.com/2022/09/NatalPlutoandNorthNodeAspects.html?m=1
i think tihs is happening with my family for instance. The more i try to be good to them and care, the more they try to exploit me, walk over me while pretending we are on good terms. I do a good thing is a signal for them to keep taking and taking more and more and i keep getting weaker and i have to hold myself from exploding at them. My sister hasn't become understanding considerate and caring enough for her to stop hurting me. I don't feel good about hitting her in any way at all but I don't like just taking abuse getting weaker then getting blamed for being weak and having poor and worsening health.
Osamenor
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That's a separate topic. If you have that going on and want to explore it through your birth chart, please post on the Medical Astrology board.
infest
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you are the most persistent and organized mod i've ever seen
infest
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saturn 5th house means getting shamed for having fun, rest and recreation. I dont recall someone ever mentioning it that way. There is also no clear indication if the native is supposed to learn recreation despite the difficulties, or that he's supposed to avoid recreation because he will get karmic "justice" otherwise.
waybread
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Oh, gosh. Saturn rules so many things. Saturn in the 5th could mean the mountain climber or amateur geologist (rock hound.) It could mean having children later in life. It could mean running a hobby farm, as Saturn rules agriculture. It could mean a love of old stuff, like books or antiques.
If "shame" is the best and obvious meaning of Saturn in the 5th, we have to look at it by sign, house cusp ruler and its situation, and aspects to Saturn. A nice trine from Jupiter should lighten Saturn up a bit.
If "shame" is the best and obvious meaning of Saturn in the 5th, we have to look at it by sign, house cusp ruler and its situation, and aspects to Saturn. A nice trine from Jupiter should lighten Saturn up a bit.